Disney World is erasing evidence of alligators, crocodiles after toddler’s death

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-alligators-crocodiles-after-toddler-s-death/

Disney has wiped out references and depictions of alligators and crocodiles from its storied attractions at the Magic Kingdom in Florida in the weeks after a 2-year-old was killed in an attack at a resort, according to reports.

The Miami Herald reported that cartoon alligators and crocodiles have been removed from shows and parades, and a more than 50-year-old one-liner warning parents to watch their children or "the crocodiles will" is no longer told on the Jungle Cruise at the Magic Kingdom.

Walt Disney World Resort vice president Jacquee Wahler confirmed to The Washington Post on Thursday that the company "made changes out of respect for the family."

"We did this two weeks ago immediately following the incident," she said via email.

After 2-year-old Lane Graves was grabbed by an alligator and dragged into a lake at Disney's Grand Floridian Resort and Spa earlier this month, Walt Disney World Resort announced that it was adding security measures amid criticism from legal experts, among others, who said there were no signs to warn people about the threat of alligators at the beachfront.

"We are installing signage and temporary barriers at our resort beach locations and are working on permanent, long-term solutions at our beaches," Wahler said in a statement at the time. "We continue to evaluate processes and procedures for our entire property."

Around that time, it seems, Disney started to erase those animals from its theme park.

 

[Not Normal]

That place is fucking hell on earth no matter what they do.

 

[Christobal]

Of course they are. An alligator just are a two year old. Why wouldn't they?

Let's not rub people's face's in it.

 

[phrodeau]

How about the puppet alligators?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3909/14626779295_2c4d4005a3_m.jpg

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...-alligators-crocodiles-after-toddler-s-death/

Disney has wiped out references and depictions of alligators and crocodiles from its storied attractions at the Magic Kingdom in Florida in the weeks after a 2-year-old was killed in an attack at a resort, according to reports.

The Miami Herald reported that cartoon alligators and crocodiles have been removed from shows and parades, and a more than 50-year-old one-liner warning parents to watch their children or "the crocodiles will" is no longer told on the Jungle Cruise at the Magic Kingdom.

Walt Disney World Resort vice president Jacquee Wahler confirmed to The Washington Post on Thursday that the company "made changes out of respect for the family."

"We did this two weeks ago immediately following the incident," she said via email.

After 2-year-old Lane Graves was grabbed by an alligator and dragged into a lake at Disney's Grand Floridian Resort and Spa earlier this month, Walt Disney World Resort announced that it was adding security measures amid criticism from legal experts, among others, who said there were no signs to warn people about the threat of alligators at the beachfront.

"We are installing signage and temporary barriers at our resort beach locations and are working on permanent, long-term solutions at our beaches," Wahler said in a statement at the time. "We continue to evaluate processes and procedures for our entire property."

Around that time, it seems, Disney started to erase those animals from its theme park.

They haven't removed the crocodile from the Peter Pan ride and I don't think they've removed the ones from Blizzard Beach.

 

[Conager]

They haven't removed the crocodile from the Peter Pan ride and I don't think they've removed the ones from Blizzard Beach.

He never said that they did...

 

[MichaelinChina]

Watched a movie last night on TV. Odd Thomas - in it, a gunman with an assault rifle shot up a shopping mall.

Will TV stations be forced in the future to ban any movies that show such trauma inducing scenes?

Disney World is just in denial. (lol..De Nile is a river in Egypt).

 

[Lord Pmann]

Of course they are. An alligator just are a two year old. Why wouldn't they?

Let's not rub people's face's in it.

Why wouldn't they? Because it's Florida. And we have a shit tonne of alligators here.

 

[Ishmael]

The event gives a whole new meaning to the dictum, "don't feed the wildlife."

Ishmael

 

[Hard_Rom]

Of course they are. An alligator just are a two year old. Why wouldn't they?

Let's not rub people's face's in it.

They haven't removed the crocodile from the Peter Pan ride and I don't think they've removed the ones from Blizzard Beach.

With all due respect to grieving family, it wasn't the alligator's fault. The joke about told by tour guides, yes. That would be in poor taste. But Disney cannot gloss over it's liability by erasing alligators from the park.

Tick-tock has been removed from the parade. And I would imagine that eventually all gators and crocs will be gone. Article states spokesperson did not comment on future removals.

I doubt the grieving family will be returning at any time to the park.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Watched a movie last night on TV. Odd Thomas - in it, a gunman with an assault rifle shot up a shopping mall.

Will TV stations be forced in the future to ban any movies that show such trauma inducing scenes?

Disney World is just in denial. (lol..De Nile is a river in Egypt).

There is no being forced here. This is in all likelihood a recommendation from a lawyer and not meant to appease the grieving family.

Any hippo representations at Disney. They kill more people than lions, tigers and sharks combined. Just not on Disneyland property.

 

[Christobal]

Why wouldn't they? Because it's Florida. And we have a shit tonne of alligators here.

I live in Florida and I live with alligators. I mean when I was growing up you had to make sure there were none where you were swimming. The St Johns River. It's only gotten worse as the alligators have rebounded.

As to why Disney is scrubbing the funny alligators? Well at the moment with the tragedy they are not funny.

It is not that hard to understand.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

What's your beef with this?

 

[Lord Pmann]

I live in Florida and I live with alligators. I mean when I was growing up you had to make sure there were none where you were swimming. The St Johns River. It's only gotten worse as the alligators have rebounded.

As to why Disney is scrubbing the funny alligators? Well at the moment with the tragedy they are not funny.

It is not that hard to understand.

I don't think anyone is making light of it. But, it's an alligator. If someone gets the Black Plague from a rat at Disney are they gonna scrub it of Mickey Mouse?

I just don't understand why people can't just harden the fuck up. It's sad the kid got eaten. Absolutely. But it's not like they have a ride where babbles are getting eaten by gators.

 

[Christobal]

I don't think anyone is making light of it. But, it's an alligator. If someone gets the Black Plague from a rat at Disney are they gonna scrub it of Mickey Mouse?

I just don't understand why people can't just harden the fuck up. It's sad the kid got eaten. Absolutely. But it's not like they have a ride where babbles are getting eaten by gators.

The answer is obvious. We have all become petite flowers and cannot accept anything that might offend us. But at the same time I do agree that some things that happen that you have to give some time for people to get over and the jokes are just too soon.

Yo mama is so ugly jokes are funny but I won't tell you one if your mom died 6 months ago.

 

[snugglestruggle]

IMO there should have been large signs at every body of water, warning of the possibility of Alligators being present. It's just common sense since this is Florida.

You can't expect tourists to have the same alligator awareness that residents have.
However I would like to ask WTF was the parent doing letting the kid splash around in ankle deep water? There were signs posted saying no swimming. Maybe it should have said no splashing? Alligators won't jump out of the water and chase down pray 40 yards, they take careless pray at waters edge.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

IMO there should have been large signs at every body of water, warning of the possibility of Alligators being present. It's just common sense since this is Florida.

You can't expect tourists to have the same alligator awareness that residents have.
However I would like to ask WTF was the parent doing letting the kid splash around in ankle deep water? There were signs posted saying no swimming. Maybe it should have said no splashing? Alligators won't jump out of the water and chase down pray 40 yards, they take careless pray at waters edge.

I am grown. A "no swimming" sign to me means rough currents, a rip tide etc or pollution. I would never think it means that I or someone else will risk being killed in ankle deep water.

The sign should have said "Danger, alligator habitat."

 

[MichaelinChina]

There is no being forced here. This is in all likelihood a recommendation from a lawyer and not meant to appease the grieving family.

Any hippo representations at Disney. They kill more people than lions, tigers and sharks combined. Just not on Disneyland property.

'forced' was a bit strong, I admit. Lawyer's recommendations - most probably. It's all about the money through the gate in the end (and in the beginning too).

When crocs and sharks take people in Australia the offending animal is tracked down and usually killed (if it's a shark) or relocated if it's a croc. If the croc is a known maneater it's killed.

(and those who choose to swim in known croc infested waters, or swim at night/dusk in the ocean, really are on a death wish.)

Interesting that Disney also sanitises its movies, based on gruesome fairy tales.
Happy endings are often de rigeur. Wholesome family entertainment that ignores/denies the dangers and realities of life.

We, as toddlers, used to eat dirt. We didn't die, in fact we probably ingested useful bacteria for our future well-being. Nowadays, kids are wrapped in cotton wool.

Can you agree there's a trend here?

 

[MichaelinChina]

I am grown. A "no swimming" sign to me means rough currents, a rip tide etc or pollution. I would never think it means that I or someone else will risk being killed in ankle deep water.

The sign should have said "Danger, alligator habitat."

In Oz, signs are up, with a pic of a croc, and 'NO swimming' - still (some) people ignore them with the tragic (but preventable) consequences.

 

[Christobal]

IMO there should have been large signs at every body of water, warning of the possibility of Alligators being present. It's just common sense since this is Florida.

You can't expect tourists to have the same alligator awareness that residents have.
However I would like to ask WTF was the parent doing letting the kid splash around in ankle deep water? There were signs posted saying no swimming. Maybe it should have said no splashing? Alligators won't jump out of the water and chase down pray 40 yards, they take careless pray at waters edge.

This is so seemingly obvious but I disagree. What should signs say other than stay out of the water. Disney did not say this it said no swimming.

With that said isn't a sign saying "Stay out of the water" enough? Does the sign have to list every possible hazard that may befall you for entering the water?

I'm not giving Disney a free pass for this. Their sign should have said stay out of the water.

 

[Ishmael]

This is so seemingly obvious but I disagree. What should signs say other than stay out of the water. Disney did not say this it said no swimming.

With that said isn't a sign saying "Stay out of the water" enough? Does the sign have to list every possible hazard that may befall you for entering the water?

I'm not giving Disney a free pass for this. Their sign should have said stay out of the water.

Stickers, lots of stickers. Like on a step ladder.

Ishmael

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

In Oz, signs are up, with a pic of a croc, and 'NO swimming' - still (some) people ignore them with the tragic (but preventable) consequences.

I don't think I would associate this with ankle deep water, because I would be a tourist who knows nothing about alligators and crocodiles. The sign you describe is fine for locals who have a basic knowledge about how alligators behave. But for people like me who have never been around them, we need "NO WADING" with a pic of a croc.

 

[Lord Pmann]

Yo mama is so ugly jokes are funny but I won't tell you one if your mom died 6 months ago.

Even if she died because my momma so fat?

 

[Christobal]

I don't think I would associate this with ankle deep water, because I would be a tourist who knows nothing about alligators and crocodiles. The sign you describe is fine for locals who have a basic knowledge about how alligators behave. But for people like me who have never been around them, we need "NO WADING" with a pic of a croc.

I'm just asking. Do you need a sign with a specific danger to decide if you will wade or not? The sign said don't wade.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Crocs and gators look similar but they are different: noses and teeth/jaws.

Not sure about gators, but Australian salt water crocs notice patterns of human/animal behaviour (drinking from the river, cleaning fish at the waters edge, wading or swimming, even noticing beach joggers turning around at a certain spot)and will wait quietly, patiently until they understand that the 'prey'(note spelling), is relaxed and comfortable, and senses no danger.

Then they attack without warning.

Fresh water crocs on the other hand, aren't as dangerous, by the way. Rarely do they attack people.