Did you know that in some US states, child support can be ordered as late as age 26!

[Tomh1966]

I see a ton of stories about the kids turning 18 and the parent thinks they are off the hook.

Age 26... The end of grad school. I know one poor bastard this happened to.

MANY states have it 19 or 21, not necessarily 18/ end of high school.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Your kids don't have to be from a broken home to drain your pocket book for many years after high school.

 

[AWhoopsieDaisy]

In America adult children can file their taxes as dependants for any year they've been in school, until age 26. If the kid isn't going to college and therefore isn't on the tax forms as a dependent, child support isn't an obligation.

 

[ronde]

While child support is generally assumed to continue until the child reaches the "age of majority", that age varies from 16 in Massachusetts to 23 in Hawaii. I would suppose that the duration of child support is usually negotiated just as is the amount of child support, alimony and the split of any property. In the event the parties can't reach a settlement, a judge would probably make the decision.

I don't think it would be unusual for one parent to pay child support until the child finishes his or her education. The ability of each parent to pay for that education would probably be the deciding factor. Another factor could be when the spouse with custody of the child dies in which case a judge could decide the other parent will pay child support to a guardian until such time as the child finished school.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Do you know what law school cost these days? I'm telling you, they don't have to be from a broken home to brake the bank.

 

[NoTalentHack]

*LW RAGE INTENSIFIES*

 

[Tomh1966]

LW Rage intensifies...

LOL. Possible?

Then again. Fiction. One of my better-received stories had a wish and a do-over for an entire lifetime.

 

[Passiontyper]

Is this why all my favorite LW stories get 1-bombed to oblivion?

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I have a story in the cue now that probably should've gone in LW but to avoid the one bombs I put it in Interracial Romance. But it's a cuck tale.

 

[Tomh1966]

Is this why all my favorite LW stories get 1-bombed to oblivion?

Some people just do it to mess with you.
I don't write cuck stories and I get a bunch there, even on 4+ rated stuff. It just happens.
Some do it long form. I read those. They may be mean, but Ive been 1 bombed by people then given two pages of tips. I read those.

 

[lovecraft68]

Any man who complains about supporting his kids as they work through school to create a better life for themselves is lower than trash. What, because their mother doesn't put out anymore, you have no obligation to your kids?

Or is this going to go into a Gordo rant about how awful it is to be a divorced father wahhh. Somehow, millions of us have done just fine.

My daughter got divorced about 18 months ago, she's seen a total of 5 child support checks for the two kids because he changes jobs-or just doesn't work for awhile to stay ahead of it. Cute. But that's okay because we help. Imagine that, low lifes, giving your 30 year old daughter money to help her and my grand kids. What kind of simp am I right?

Meanwhile her ex would a hero to the crowd we're talking about, including the OP with his "The poor bastard" comment.

 

[Seadog777]

In SOME cases, child support for that long is a good thing and needed.

In SOME cases, it's total fucking bullshit.

Everything is a case-by-case basis. Can't generalize it.

My father was a deadbeat dad, and was 7 years behind child support for my younger sister.

I was "emancipated" at 16, and got away from my crazier than a nutter butter parents

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not reading your post king cuck, I have no desire to hear you do more talking about things you don't understand.

I shouldn't be surprised at the support dead beat fathers would get in the land of milk and misogyny.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Any man who complains about supporting his kids as they work through school to create a better life for themselves is lower than trash. What, because their mother doesn't put out anymore, you have no obligation to your kids?

If it's actually his kids, yeah, only a scumbag would complain about supporting them up until they're at least 18. Most folks, if they can, would be happy to support them til 23, 26, whatever; my kids will get whatever support they need from me for the rest of my life.

But given that this is Literotica, and "she tricked me into raising another man's kids" is a common trope in LW stories, this is actually a useful piece of trivia, along with knowing that DNA testing won't get the husband off the hook unless they can compel the sperm donor to get tested. Also, things like knowing that only ~10 states have actual shared custody (the rest have custody and visitation, and getting visitation enforced consistently is just about impossible). Or that in the vast majority of cases, even if a father asks for custody, the mother will get it, short of circumstances like mom being in jail or a recovering drug addict.

Or is this going to go into a Gordo rant about how awful it is to be a divorced father wahhh. Somehow, millions of us have done just fine.

Yeah, and millions haven't. I'm lucky; my divorce was amicable, and we had no kids. I am grateful every day for that. I've been married to the mother of my children for almost 20 years now, and I can't imagine us ever getting divorced. but I checked the laws, rules, etc. here in Texas, and... yeah. If anything ever did happen, even though I'm the one that gets them up, takes them to school and picks them up, watches them during the summer, takes them to appointments, put them to bed at night, etc., the chance of me getting custody is insanely low.

Divorce and custody law is one of the few places in American law where being a guy does suck comparatively: if you get divorced, you aren't going to get the kids, and the judges are likely to give the mother a lot of latitude with things like leaving the state for a better job. Like 99 times out of 100, I'd choose to be a guy in America; but when it comes to trying to decide alimony, child support, etc.? Nope.

It's another problem caused by the patriarchy, but it's hard to tell guys that; "you getting your kids taken away by your cheating wife" may be due to enforcement of traditional societal roles through law, but if you're a dad that wants to spend time with their kids? That's an especially bitter pill to swallow.

Meanwhile her ex would a hero to the crowd we're talking about, including the OP with his "The poor bastard" comment.

Nah. If you actually read LW stories, one of the go-to bits of shorthand for "this is a bad guy" is that he's a deadbeat dad. It's pretty much a trope now that if our hero meets a new romantic interest after his divorce, if she has a kid, the father is going to be a deadbeat that ran out on them. LW folks REALLY don't like deadbeat dads.

 

[lovecraft68]

In SOME cases, child support for that long is a good thing and needed.

In SOME cases, it's total fucking bullshit.

Everything is a case-by-case basis. Can't generalize it.

My father was a deadbeat dad, and was 7 years behind child support for my younger sister.

I was "emancipated" at 16, and got away from my crazier than a nutter butter parents

Usually child support only extends based on the kid being a full time student. If the kid is 20 and working full time, there's not many places you'd still be paying.

But here's the thing, child support is seen as an awful thing by man babies and "victims", and these same victims are living with a another woman in a month while his ex raises the kids...so, want your precious money? Or want freedom? I'm not really looking for an answer, because its a point not a real question.

But what else gets overlooked is, and again this is all about the whining and "society favors women" crowd. It never occurs to them that supporting your child is the right thing to do. Its what responsible fathers-and in some cases mothers do-and in turn that child sees you doing right by them, they respect you for it, and it teaches them the right thing.

But to see it that way you'd have to care enough about the kid, and for that matter yourself, and the average dead beat cry baby isn't capable of that.

My wife's friend has a son she's disowned. He's in his thirties, claims "disability" and hasn't worked in years. He's fathered three kids and doesn't pay a dime, and trying to keep staying with her. Her answer of if your dick works you can work too, should be made into a bumper sticker.

I'm tired of weak men who cry victim, who in turn run around places like this acting like they're "real men"

See Tilan for a great example.

 

[lovecraft68]

If it's actually his kids, yeah, only a scumbag would complain about supporting them up until they're at least 18. Most folks, if they can, would be happy to support them til 23, 26, whatever; my kids will get whatever support they need from me for the rest of my life.

But given that this is Literotica, and "she tricked me into raising another man's kids" is a common trope in LW stories, this is actually a useful piece of trivia, along with knowing that DNA testing won't get the husband off the hook unless they can compel the sperm donor to get tested. Also, things like knowing that only ~10 states have actual shared custody (the rest have custody and visitation, and getting visitation enforced consistently is just about impossible). Or that in the vast majority of cases, even if a father asks for custody, the mother will get it, short of circumstances like mom being in jail or a recovering drug addict.


Yeah, and millions haven't. I'm lucky; my divorce was amicable, and we had no kids. I am grateful every day for that. I've been married to the mother of my children for almost 20 years now, and I can't imagine us ever getting divorced. but I checked the laws, rules, etc. here in Texas, and... yeah. If anything ever did happen, even though I'm the one that gets them up, takes them to school and picks them up, watches them during the summer, takes them to appointments, put them to bed at night, etc., the chance of me getting custody is insanely low.

Divorce and custody law is one of the few places in American law where being a guy does suck comparatively: if you get divorced, you aren't going to get the kids, and the judges are likely to give the mother a lot of latitude with things like leaving the state for a better job. Like 99 times out of 100, I'd choose to be a guy in America; but when it comes to trying to decide alimony, child support, etc.? Nope.

It's another problem caused by the patriarchy, but it's hard to tell guys that; "you getting your kids taken away by your cheating wife" may be due to enforcement of traditional societal roles through law, but if you're a dad that wants to spend time with their kids? That's an especially bitter pill to swallow.


Nah. If you actually read LW stories, one of the go-to bits of shorthand for "this is a bad guy" is that he's a deadbeat dad. It's pretty much a trope now that if our hero meets a new romantic interest after his divorce, if she has a kid, the father is going to be a deadbeat that ran out on them. LW folks REALLY don't like deadbeat dads.

I going to say this once. Stop explaining away this category to me. Stop defending it, stop advocating for it, stop yammering about what you think it says about society, to me.

Especially when you are going to go full man baby on me with the "what if she cheated?"

THEY'RE YOUR KIDS. THEY DID NOT CHEAT ON YOU, THEY DID NOTHING WRONG. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND?

Okay, maybe you at least read that line. But if you're not sufficiently annoyed? Just because a woman cheats doesn't mean she's not capable of being a good mother. Hey, maybe she cheated because the father is a POS. Possible, except not in your world.

So, in the future keep your mansplaining for people like Simon, Tilan, Gordo.

Guys like me have no time for that crowd.

 

[Seadog777]

Usually child support only extends based on the kid being a full time student. If the kid is 20 and working full time, there's not many places you'd still be paying.

But here's the thing, child support is seen as an awful thing by man babies and "victims", and these same victims are living with a another woman in a month while his ex raises the kids...so, want your precious money? Or want freedom? I'm not really looking for an answer, because its a point not a real question.

But what else gets overlooked is, and again this is all about the whining and "society favors women" crowd. It never occurs to them that supporting your child is the right thing to do. Its what responsible fathers-and in some cases mothers do-and in turn that child sees you doing right by them, they respect you for it, and it teaches them the right thing.

But to see it that way you'd have to care enough about the kid, and for that matter yourself, and the average dead beat cry baby isn't capable of that.

My wife's friend has a son she's disowned. He's in his thirties, claims "disability" and hasn't worked in years. He's fathered three kids and doesn't pay a dime, and trying to keep staying with her. Her answer of if your dick works you can work too, should be made into a bumper sticker.

I'm tired of weak men who cry victim, who in turn run around places like this acting like they're "real men"

See Tilan for a great example.

Typically, it's until the child reaches adulthood.
I've seen it end at 18 and I've seen it go until the child graduated college.

The times that I've been men pissed off about child support, has not been about having to pay it.
It's about the amount.
It can absolutely be fucking outrageous in some cases.

I have seen men who are just complete fucking assholes about having to pay a single penny as well. Like my father was.

It's always a case-by-case basis.

I personally do not judge, because I spent a shit ton of my childhood in front of judges because of this topic.

 

[lovecraft68]

In America adult children can file their taxes as dependants for any year they've been in school, until age 26. If the kid isn't going to college and therefore isn't on the tax forms as a dependent, child support isn't an obligation.

Oh, crap, look at this. A fact.
Come on, you're ruining the lie that men have to keep paying and its awful.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I going to say this once. Stop explaining away this category to me. Stop defending it, stop advocating for it, stop yammering about what you think it says about society, to me.

Nah. If you keep saying blatantly untrue shit, I'll keep correcting you. Not because I care about your opnion, but because I'm sick as hell of someone with absolutely no real experience in the category trying to define what it is and is not.

Especially when you are going to go full man baby on me with the "what if she cheated?"

THEY'RE YOUR KIDS. THEY DID NOT CHEAT ON YOU, THEY DID NOTHING WRONG. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND?

I'm not annoyed at all. I'm not the one using all caps and ignoring the context because the acronym "LW" is like a red flag for me. The context, since you missed it, was "if the 'father' isn't actually the father, especially if the mother knows who the actual father is." It's relevant in that case.

Okay, maybe you at least read that line. But if you're not sufficiently annoyed? Just because a woman cheats doesn't mean she's not capable of being a good mother. Hey, maybe she cheated because the father is a POS. Possible, except not in your world.

And I never said that a woman being a cheater makes her a bad parent; hell if you go read my stories, you'll see that. There are several where the mom is a great parent, regardless of her other failings. Even my sequel to the Ur-cheating wife story (February Sucks) has the all-time most hated character in the category as a good parent and co-parent.

So, in the future keep your mansplaining for people like Simon, Tilan, Gordo.

Like I said, I'm not correcting you for your benefit. You're a lost cause, so certain that you know everything about LW and the people that write and read there that you can't possibly be wrong. I'm not trying to educate you; I'm trying to counteract your bullshit.

But go ahead, keep strawmanning. It's fun!

 

[SimonDoom]

Nah. If you keep saying blatantly untrue shit, I'll keep correcting you. Not because I care about your opnion, but because I'm sick as hell of someone with absolutely no real experience int eh category trying to define what it is and is not.

I'm not annoyed at all. I'm not the one using all caps and ignoring the context because the acronym "LW" is like a red flag for me. The context, since you missed it, was "if the 'father' isn't actually the father, especially if the mother knows who the actual father is." It's relevant in that case.

And I never said that a woman being a cheater makes her a bad parent; hell if you go read my stories, you'll see that. There are several where the mom is a great parent, regardless of her other failings. Even my sequel on the Ur-cheating wife story (February Sucks) has the all-time most hated character in the category as a good parent and co-parent.

Like I said, I'm not correcting you for your benefit. You're a lost cause, so certain that you know everything about LW and the people that write and read there that you can't possibly be wrong. I'm not trying to educate you; I'm trying to counteract your bullshit.

But go ahead, keep strawmanning. It's fun!

You're preaching to the anti-choir. You can never completely get rid of strawman arguments because they take no effort for your opponent to set up. Kind of like whack-a-moles.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Hey, maybe she cheated because the father is a POS. Possible, except not in your world.

I forgot to respond to this before, but I have a story literally named “Why She Cheated” and the short answer was that he was a POS. You’re just batting a thousand here today, ain’tcha?

 

[lovecraft68]

Allow me to play AH Yoda and flex my "Things that make you go Hmmm"
Why does someone come to a forum on a porn site where we discuss writing erotic stories and post a whine about child support?
Running out of places to do it would be my guess. That and some ghosting will tell you there's a faction here that will give props to anything anti-woman in any way.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I'm not annoyed at all. I'm not the one using all caps and ignoring the context because the acronym "LW" is like a red flag for me. The context, since you missed it, was "if the 'father' isn't actually the father, especially if the mother knows who the actual father is." It's relevant in that case.

It's whose name is on the birth certificate that matters on child support. Who actually fathered the child isn't the issue. Most of the time, even with a DNA test, the courts still considered the father of record the father. At least, as I understand it. I had no children in my first marriage, I didn't cheat, he did.

 

[NoTalentHack]

It's whose name is on the birth certificate that matters on child support. Who actually fathered the child isn't the issue. Most of the time, even with a DNA test, the courts still considered the father of record the father. At least, as I understand it. I had no children in my first marriage, I didn't cheat, he did.

Yeah. This is one of those sticking points for a number of guys. I understand it (kids need to be taken care of) but I also understand the frustration of guys stuck in that situation. Like I said earlier, “they aren’t really my kids” is a trope in a number of LW stories; on the other hand, it’s usually “okay, I’m not their speem donor, but I raised them, so I consider myself their father; but I still want payback for the scam that got run on me.” It’s one of those complex things that makes writing in LW so enjoyable for me.

 

[SimonDoom]

Allow me to play AH Yoda and flex my "Things that make you go Hmmm"

Confuse you with Yoda nobody will.