Did anyone see the last criminal minds episode???

[angie19]

They made us look so bad!

I'll admit even I got scared of finding a man like that.

They attributed it all to BDSM (granted unwilling, but still, I felt the blow) and something called "The Company" fantasy of some sort, first time I've heard of it. Has anyone else heard of it? Is it actually that popular?

I just felt the hit when Cindy entered the first couple's basement, and all the fun stuff was there but it wasn't the right setting and all that, you know? I love the show but it hurt my bdsm-ego a tiny bit.

Such mixed feelings raced my mind, and my sides, I just.. pff.
Anyone have any opinions on it?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Get used to it.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Saw it, didn't like the portrayal, but like Stella says, get used to it. It's different than the mainstream modus, so it's exciting and "dirty," and of course it would only be done by the bad guys About the only mainstream cop show in the last few years that has portrayed BDSM in *any* kind of positive manner was the CSI (original LV series) with Grissom and his relationship with Lady Heather, and even that had some negative aspects. <Sigh>

 

[angie19]

*sigh*

"Get used to it"

Aye, I'll try. The thing is it has taken me much effort to come to terms with my own sexuality, meaning I've felt guilty for liking the things I like, BDSM. I know it's not wrong or anything but you know.. something still tells me something is wrong with me once in a while. My sluts remind me that nothing is. Anywho that's a whole different matter, the thing is when I see those misrepresentations I get mixed feelings because I feel guilty again, unsure, etc. Bwagh bwagh bwagh.

I liked your pouty/angry face Stella, felt a vote of community solidarity tingle inside ^^

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When I talk of my sluts...they're online.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Let me know if you ever notice a trans gendered person, or a gay man, or BDSM couple, or any person that doesn't fit the normative -- that gets treated well in a prime time TV show.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I saw it, but didn't view it negatively (mind you, I was tired so perhaps not giving it 100% attention). There were familiar things included which relate to our lifestyle choice, but that is true in all these cases (in RL) where someone tries to use BDSM as a 'get out of jail free' card, and not limited in use to an authentic M/s practitioner. I didn't notice anywhere they said this was what BDSM was, in fact they made a point of the fact that the guy was a stalker in the beginning and killed off who he saw as competition, that he had kidnapped her and held and abused her until he felt there was no longer any resistance (and that this would have taken some time and was not as successful as he thought), and that 'The Company' was a group of people who chose to operate in this manner of using force and coercion to keep their unconsenting/unwilling captives in line. Add to that they showed that the children of the women in the story line were kept in another location as a way of enforcing them to remain with their captor and behave as expected, perhaps being allowed to visit their child/ren as a reward and perhaps only once a year. They did not say this was how BDSM worked, they said it was how 'The Company' worked.

I think it is easy to engage a 'chip on the shoulder attitude' over such things when the intention is not there to portray things the way others choose to view them. I am sure everyone has at some point in their lives gotten the wrong end of the stick on something and thus portrayed, thought, or spoken of it in a way which was far from the reality. It is life and it happens....and we are adults and can choose to take it personally or move on and continue to enjoy our life choices the way we experience and understand them. IOW, personally I don't care if anyone else understands and/or agrees with how I live my life, as long as we are both happy with it.

Catalina

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I watched this with all the family members, without knowing what the topic was about. I explained after the show to my daughters that - for two consensual adults the lifestyle is safe and enjoyable and that there are rules in place before the two adults start to "play" that way individuals are kept safe - I did tell them under the circumstances of the story, that yes that type of lifestyle is wrong, no one should be forced into a BDSM relationship, or any relationship for that matter.

The episode in general I didn't view as bad - it was a good episode. I just chose it as a learning tool for this particular lifestyle. I grew up ignorant of a lot of things and I know that because of my writing/Lit./ and now TV - I am able to talk to my kids about more "kinks" than my parents ever would have or could have.

 

[MsRoseEvans]

I didn't see that episode, but I am reminded of an episode of House MD which focused around a sub and his Mistress. I think that it did a fairly good job of explaining how some people choose to live their lives, and the reaction it it met with. I especially liked how the Mistress explained Harvey's position - that it's not about the pain, it's about control, and feeling in control by being controlled.

There needs to be more prime time episodes like that I think.

 

[persorosa]

They did reference The Company as an underground BDSM club, but said the the REAL "The Company" was just that a BDSM Club, the bad guy in the episode was using "The Company" as a way to threaten his girl into submission. As were the other guys who then took their slaves kids from them and put them in a cabin. So although they did say during the episode that it was an extreme situation it still made reference to a M/s relationship in negative light...saying that I knew while watching it that it is something I have to get used too. I do with with my vanilla friends why they make remarks about why someone would want to be spanked and what have you. For me watching the episode with people who believe that that is an accurate portrayal was the most difficult part. I was so angry with their comments by the end of the episode that I had to leave the room.

Overall the episode could have been much worse but it doesn't help when all people are feed are negative, extreme pictures...

Just my thoughts, Rose

 

[angie19]

Catalina:

Yes you're right, they did establish that that was an extreme case, and all the rest. But the reference was still made, and to the rest of the public, the idea was planted. That's cool that you don't care what others feel about your lifestyle.

MsRose:

"There needs to be more prime time episodes like that I think."
I did see that episode I think, I can remember, you're right, there should be. I doubt that that episode left many vanilla viewers with hmm strong feelings over the idea, the way they handled it was very free and ideal I would say. It tells them that there's not much to it, much less in a negative sense if you know what I mean, at least that's what i perceived, so.. in my opinion.

Perso Rosa:

Ah, thank you, I've never heard of "The Company" until the show, thank you for clarifying what it was, I thought it was no more than a popular fantasy.
"So although they did say during the episode that it was an extreme situation it still made reference to a M/s relationship in negative light.."
Completely agree, that's what I was referring too more or less. I love the show and I'm sure their intention wasn't to "harm the idea of BDSM", I think they merely portrayed a situation for the storyline. But as you said, the public was still hit with the negative influence.
"saying that I knew while watching it that it is something I have to get used too." Sadly, yes, it appears so, as Stella said
"For me watching the episode with people who believe that that is an accurate portrayal was the most difficult part." Indeed. :/
Completely agreed with what you said I think, over all.

I guess by posting the thread I just looked to hmm lean on someone maybe after seeing what most people might think of BDSM, thanks to the media. You know? Hope it wasn't an error on my part. ^^

 

[catalina_francisco]

I guess for me, I see TV as more a means to entertain (at least where fictional shows are concerned), not so much a responsibility to address each facet of our world in an educational and 100% factual way.....hence it is called fiction. No matter how they choose to address issues and present them, there is always going to be someone who is unhappy with how it is presented and whether it matches with their perception of the facts etc. Reality is, in real life the situation would be presented and understood in much the same way by those assigned the job of investigating unless they were personally involved in the lifestyle, and chances are, if they were, it would not be a good career choice to disclose that fact, especially during the case.

It is becoming difficult to watch any show without someone picking apart the authenticity of every detail....yes, F does this constantly where it relates to areas he knows through his profession. I understand that sometimes the exaggerate or simplify matters, or even present things as possible which in the real world are not, but once again, it is supposed to be fiction, not a reference programme. If overall the show is entertaining and good, than I figure it has mat it's purpose. I am sure the writers of the CM's episode did not sit down with the idea of putting a negative image of BDSM into the minds of the general public, as well as some who may be thinking about trying it out as a relationship choice. They more than likely sat down with an outline of a situation of what could and does happen in real life, investigated by a team of human beings who like all human beings, have weaknesses and opinions. As for LGBT people never being treated/presented favourably in prime time TV, I have to say I have seen more than a few instances where they were...though perhaps more often than not they are not US based shows.

Catalina

 

[RuReal]

I did see it and while I did not like it I will say that they indicated it was unwilling. Basically I looked at it the same way one would treat unwanted sex on a T.V program. Most of these people do not understand BDSM and they would really not represent it properly to the masses.

T.V programing is not designed to reflect real life why should our kink be treated any different than anything else they portray.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I did see it and while I did not like it I will say that they indicated it was unwilling. Basically I looked at it the same way one would treat unwanted sex on a T.V program. Most of these people do not understand BDSM and they would really not represent it properly to the masses.

T.V programing is not designed to reflect real life why should our kink be treated any different than anything else they portray.

And given even on this forum alone people often disagree with what defines and falls into the area of BDSM and even what is OK, how does anyone decide what would be a fair and accurate portrayal in a fictional show?

Catalina

 

[Stella_Omega]

There isn't all that much disagreement. there is an assortment of detail-related bickering, sure.

The show implied abduction, rape, and torture ending in murder.

I think most of us agree that these harmful non consensual practices-- not as roleplay but as aids to coercion, abuse and robbery-- are not what we want to have thought of as legitimate BDSM.

 

[njlauren]

The problem is tv is generally into titilation, so they have no reason to be fair or anything close to it. I remember an episode of LA Law that made me want to puke, where this 'lowly worm' kind of sub (picture your typical geek accountant stereotype) is on trial for embezzling money, supposedly to give to his BD/SM mistress, then they have the mistress on the stand, with all the female supremacy/the sub is a piece of shit jazz..and that is what people eat up, subs are mindless morons fawning over vicious, cruel people *sigh*.

About the only halfway intelligent depiction I saw was on CSI, with the relationship between Lady Pamela and Grissom, though it had its problems, like the dominant wife who is a bitch, whose husband kills a girl who is made to look like his wife in BD/SM play at a pro dungeon (like yeah, right, they aren';t monitoring sessions done by outsiders there....). There was at least some discussion of what goes on within it, and Grissom is his usual self, talking about it without judging and actually falling for Lady Pamela (someday I'll find the rest of the episodes..). But mostly it is treated as a freak show, with the people being all pathological weirdos and so forth *sigh*.

 

[RuReal]

I agree with most of this. I will also say I am strange and embrace it.

The problem is tv is generally into titilation, so they have no reason to be fair or anything close to it. I remember an episode of LA Law that made me want to puke, where this 'lowly worm' kind of sub (picture your typical geek accountant stereotype) is on trial for embezzling money, supposedly to give to his BD/SM mistress, then they have the mistress on the stand, with all the female supremacy/the sub is a piece of shit jazz..and that is what people eat up, subs are mindless morons fawning over vicious, cruel people *sigh*.

About the only halfway intelligent depiction I saw was on CSI, with the relationship between Lady Pamela and Grissom, though it had its problems, like the dominant wife who is a bitch, whose husband kills a girl who is made to look like his wife in BD/SM play at a pro dungeon (like yeah, right, they aren';t monitoring sessions done by outsiders there....). There was at least some discussion of what goes on within it, and Grissom is his usual self, talking about it without judging and actually falling for Lady Pamela (someday I'll find the rest of the episodes..). But mostly it is treated as a freak show, with the people being all pathological weirdos and so forth *sigh*.

 

[smallgirl]

They made us look so bad!

I'll admit even I got scared of finding a man like that.

They attributed it all to BDSM (granted unwilling, but still, I felt the blow) and something called "The Company" fantasy of some sort, first time I've heard of it. Has anyone else heard of it? Is it actually that popular?

I just felt the hit when Cindy entered the first couple's basement, and all the fun stuff was there but it wasn't the right setting and all that, you know? I love the show but it hurt my bdsm-ego a tiny bit.

Such mixed feelings raced my mind, and my sides, I just.. pff.
Anyone have any opinions on it?

i watched, and my 21 yr old daughter was right beside me....when they showed the basement dungeon??? my daughter said "holy shit" and i was sitting there thinking, damn that looks like some fun stuff right there...
sure glad she couldn't read my mind....

 

[ataxia.girl]

i watched it on Amazon last night just to see what all the fuss was about. i had no idea Criminal Minds was such an awful show. The whole thing was hokey. If people are that simple minded i really couldn't care less. They showed almost nothing but i guarantee you that one shot of the dungeon will spark curiosity***, especially since the wife was so enthusiastic about her role.

What's funny to me is "the community" can't seem to make up their mind about all the attention. On the one hand we complain that BDSM is going mainstream with 50 shades of gray and then we complain that BDSM is getting a bad wrap in this TV show. Like it or not its going to go mainstream anyway. Fetlife has over a million members already.

***i found out about the episode because a woman joined fetlife and posted curious about M/s from having seen the show. She wanted to know if that was what M/s was...or so she said.

 

[YourCaptor]

i watched it on Amazon last night just to see what all the fuss was about. i had no idea Criminal Minds was such an awful show. The whole thing was hokey. If people are that simple minded i really couldn't care less. They showed almost nothing but i guarantee you that one shot of the dungeon will spark curiosity***, especially since the wife was so enthusiastic about her role.

What's funny to me is "the community" can't seem to make up their mind about all the attention. On the one hand we complain that BDSM is going mainstream with 50 shades of gray and then we complain that BDSM is getting a bad wrap in this TV show. Like it or not its going to go mainstream anyway. Fetlife has over a million members already.

***i found out about the episode because a woman joined fetlife and posted curious about M/s from having seen the show. She wanted to know if that was what M/s was...or so she said.

Same old attention it has always had. Everyone knows what bondage is. It will always be taboo due to the initial shock factor.

Nothing new under the sun.

But this looks like a fun game and I wanna play.

Oh snap!!! I just saw a new video that is going to make all the nillas wanna convert. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o79N04NSTkU

Whatever shall we do?

 

[YourCaptor]

Look out Ataxia, this one is sure to produce an influx of littles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DZ0KtR3RY

 

[ataxia.girl]

Look out Ataxia, this one is sure to produce an influx of littles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DZ0KtR3RY

Bubbles!

 

[Stella_Omega]

i watched it on Amazon last night just to see what all the fuss was about. i had no idea Criminal Minds was such an awful show. The whole thing was hokey. If people are that simple minded i really couldn't care less. They showed almost nothing but i guarantee you that one shot of the dungeon will spark curiosity***, especially since the wife was so enthusiastic about her role.

What's funny to me is "the community" can't seem to make up their mind about all the attention. On the one hand we complain that BDSM is going mainstream with 50 shades of gray and then we complain that BDSM is getting a bad wrap in this TV show. Like it or not its going to go mainstream anyway. Fetlife has over a million members already.

***i found out about the episode because a woman joined fetlife and posted curious about M/s from having seen the show. She wanted to know if that was what M/s was...or so she said.

Actually, most people complain that both Fifty Shades and this show present an inaccurate version of BDSM that will overly reassure on the one hand, and alienate on the other hand.

But I agree, some people will get their buttons pushed regardless and be glad of it.