Destiny

[Bidin~Time]

I was watching TV earlier and a trailer came on for Mars. They used the term destiny and I wondered, do you believe in the concept of destiny? Are we as individuals or groups destined for anything? or is all just pot luck?

 

[Ms_Ann]

Elon Musk, billionaire entrepreneur and founder of Space X, Tesla and Paypal, said there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation.

 

[Bidin~Time]

Elon Musk, billionaire entrepreneur and founder of Space X, Tesla and Paypal, said there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation.

or a locker?

 

[Ms_Ann]

or a locker?

A meat locker?

Believing in predestination does offer a good excuse to do what ever the hell we feel like...tho.

 

[jezzilee]

I think we create our own destiny by the choices that we make.

 

[Ms_Ann]

I think we create our own destiny by the choices that we make.

But are they your choices or "someone else's?"

 

[Bidin~Time]

What about the concept of Manifest Destiny? When I heard the phrase, "it's our destiny" in relation to this movie, that's what came to mind.

 

[jezzilee]

But are they your choices or "someone else's?"

I take 100% responsibility for my choices.

 

[Ms_Ann]

What about the concept of Manifest Destiny? When I heard the phrase, "it's our destiny" in relation to this movie, that's what came to mind.

I suppose it would depend on which side of the fence you are on. If we round up all the Martians and stick them on reservations, then it must have been "our" destiny to do so. But that excuse only goes so far.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Destiny is also the name of an elderly blind precog mutant in the X-Men comics, nee Irene Adler.

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In the canon-tweaking animation series X-Men Evolution, she is the same person, but younger and more physically capable on a Daredevil level.

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[Bidin~Time]

I think we create our own destiny by the choices that we make.

In a sense, I agree with you.


But how much does society, culture, or the region we grew up in influence our decisions?

I can see instances where someone not having my life experiences would make completely different decisions than I have made. I can also see where those same differing life experiences would color opinions and beliefs, causing them to be diametrically opposed.

 

[Hypoxia]

Evidence of destiny is sorely lacking. Any event is the product of everything that preceded it. Many futures are possible from where we stand now.

I visualize Here-N-Now as the narrows in a temporal hourglass. Above is the past, an infinity of precedents dripping through us. Below is the future; the grains of sand may fall anywhere within its confines. Each grain is an event. We can calculate their probabilities but not exactly where any will occur.

The logic is irrefutable: We are products of all that went before us, and we create our future. The only limits are the laws of reality. Anything that CAN happen, WILL happen, eventually. If we live so long. Hold not thy breath.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What we have when we talk about space is destiny in this regard, the intelligent decision to propagate the species. As Hawking has stated, we have to get off of this planet because eventually something catastrophic is bound to happen.

Destiny might be an internal intuition (wait? is that and oxymoron?)...

 

[JohnnySavage]

Destiny is a stripper name.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And Destiny's Child is named Corolla...

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Eric Berne said all of us are so scripted (role players) destiny is almost guaranteed. Think of destiny as how the role ends.

Whats your role? Who's your hero or favorite character.

Clint Eastwood for me.

 

[pensivepoet]

What about the concept of Manifest Destiny? When I heard the phrase, "it's our destiny" in relation to this movie, that's what came to mind.

That's how it became America
Some guys on a boat got lost, ran out of rum and ham sandwiches, and smelled turkey cooking.
They came ashore, took a look around, and declared "well, we're here and this is here, so it must be ours"
The lawyers for the people already here had never heard of manifest destiny or measles so they were pretty well screwed.

 

[1sickbastard]

I was watching TV earlier and a trailer came on for Mars. They used the term destiny and I wondered, do you believe in the concept of destiny? Are we as individuals or groups destined for anything? or is all just pot luck?

"Destiny" or "Fate" is bullshit. OUr lives and choices may be highly deterministic, but we can (and some do) make choices that are contrary to determinism. In other words, even if we are predisposed to certain dispositions, we also have the ability to self-program and overcome those predispositions.
It ain't easy. It takes a higher degree of self-awareness, a dedication to self-exploration and a desire to do so.

Elon Musk, billionaire entrepreneur and founder of Space X, Tesla and Paypal, said there is only a “one in billions” chance that we’re not living in a computer simulation.

Based on what?
How does one even begin to lay out the criteria for such a hypothesis, much less figure a metric that can be tested and potentially falsified?

More importantly, SO WHAT?
If actual reality is completely indistinguishable from being part of a computer simulation that so completely models reality, how does it matter?

 

[Hard_Rom]

What about the concept of Manifest Destiny? When I heard the phrase, "it's our destiny" in relation to this movie, that's what came to mind.

The War of 1812 and the decision to split Oregon put an end to Manifest Destiny and continentalism. Having to pay cash for Alaska too.


I think of destiny and fate as a woven tapestry. We all add to it. Tug on one thread, add a colour or scene, and it can effect many more. Live a good life, be a good person, and fate may still drop a crashing airliner on your house due to some maintenance worker who made a mistake or corporation balked at paying for quality.

We all have a destiny but are so enmeshed in the tapestry we can't see it.

Time moves forward only. At this time. If certain theories hold up and the Universe begins to collapse, time may move backwards. If effect comes before cause then we will truly have fate and destiny.

 

[1sickbastard]

The War of 1812 and the decision to split Oregon put an end to Manifest Destiny and continentalism.

Really?
So the Mexican American War of 1848 wasn't part and parcel of "Manifest Destiny"?
Is that something you can actually defend or did you misspeak?

 

[Tryharder62]

Predestination- another whole can of worms.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Really?
So the Mexican American War of 1848 wasn't part and parcel of "Manifest Destiny"?
Is that something you can actually defend or did you misspeak?

I don't read American history.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Someone should tell Musk that the Matrix was just a movie

 

[eyerlives]

All the boisterous, I am the master of my own ship, all the false bravado about I pave my own way...

...and the only "destiny" which ALL humans share equally in this world is that we all gotta die to it.

And there's not a single thing any one can do about that.

So, suck it up, wormfood, and get over yourselves...

...your unmistakable and unavoidable fate in this world proves you're not all that at all.

That's the bad news...

 

[Hard_Rom]

There are theories that reality is a hologram being played on the screen of an expanding universe. And that reality is just the likeliest probability.