Deporting US citizens?

[Lance_Castro]

Lots of American Citizens knowingly employ illegal aliens.

Farms, meat plants, day care, house cleaners, landscapers…

Shouldn’t those Americans also be deported?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You’re quoting Ohm’s Law like it’s gospel in every real-world scenario, but you’re missing the core issue: Ohm’s Law isn’t invalid — it’s incomplete without context. It only tells you what happens based on voltage, current, and resistance — but you don’t control all three of those variables in a live environment. Especially not when you're the resistor.

100% true, but incorrect in your understanding. Ohm's law doesn't stand on it's own. Kind of like E=MC/2 doesn't stand on it's own.

Let’s add some technical teeth:

1. The Human Body ≠ Fixed Resistor​

• Dry, intact skin might have a resistance of 100kΩ or more.
• Wet, sweaty, cut, or conductive-smeared skin can drop to 300–1,000Ω, and in extreme cases, as low as 100Ω — especially with contact across both arms or through the chest.

→ That drastically alters the current flowing through the body, even at low voltages.

Yes it does, but the human body isn't just "one" resistor. Now you need to bring in Kirchoff's Law.

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2. 12V Can Kill — Under the Right (Wrong) Conditions​

You say:


But if you’re gripping a tool, sweating, or bridging across the chest with 300Ω of contact resistance?

12V / 300Ω = 40mA

That’s already within the threshold where muscle control is lost and ventricular fibrillation becomes possible — especially if the current crosses the heart.

At 50–100mA, even brief exposures can be fatal.

Hazardous Voltage = Any voltage exceeding 42.2 Vac peak or 60 Vdc without a limited current circuit. That is the CSA/Underwriters etc standard.

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3. The Real Threat: Current Supply Capacity​

A car or marine battery rated for 850 cold-cranking amps can absolutely supply life-ending current if your body completes the circuit. These batteries are designed to dump hundreds of amps in milliseconds.

See Kirchoff's law.

• Arc flash injuries, burns, and nerve damage aren’t theory — they’re documented injuries even in 12V systems with massive ampacity.
• Tools and jewelry vaporize at 12V if current surges. Think about what that does to tissue.

Back to Hisarpy's claims of a 12 volt dc car battery causing death, not burns,

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4. Circuit Configuration Matters​

When people say "12V can’t hurt you," they’re imagining fingertip contact with a single terminal.

But that’s not how most real-world contact happens:

• You're holding a wrench, sweaty, arm resting on the chassis — you’re now a conductor across both terminals.
• If the current path crosses the chest or spine, the risk of cardiac arrest skyrockets.

Again it's into Kirchoff's law that you need to examine. The heart is only one path, there are thousands of other "resistive circuits" in the human body.

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5. Safety Standards Don’t Back You Up​

Even OSHA and IEC 60479-1 (Effects of Current on Human Beings and Livestock) recognize that DC voltages below 50V are not inherently “safe” — they're lower risk, not no-risk. Especially with high-current sources and wet skin.

As a note when you're talking livestock, that usually implies High Voltage fences, which are needed for animals with hides. A 12 volt DC system charges up a LCR circuit, to deliver the high voltage discharge.

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Conclusion:​

Ohm’s Law tells part of the story — but only when you know the resistance, voltage, and path of the current. In the field, those variables are unpredictable, especially with skin contact and high-current sources like batteries or bus bars.

Right, it's a whole set of Laws, Kirchoff's, Lens, Coulomb, Faraday...it's a long list, and they all interact and are governed by Ohm's

That’s why professionals treat even “just 12V DC” systems with caution when high current is involved. Anyone saying otherwise either hasn’t worked with serious systems, or is taking reckless shortcuts with other people’s safety.

12 VD dc systems are governed by the same rules as any other electrical safety requirements, because it's easier and clearer to have just one set of rules across an industry.

If you can document one single death from electrocution by a 12 volt dc car battery, I'd be most interested in reading up on it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Lots of American Citizens knowingly employ illegal aliens.

Farms, meat plants, day care, house cleaners, landscapers…

Shouldn’t those Americans also be deported?

They are rich and white. They should be rewarded for innovating ways to get around a restrictive government.

 

[dmallord]

100% true, but incorrect in your understanding. Ohm's law doesn't stand on it's own. Kind of like E=MC/2 doesn't stand on it's own.

Yes it does, but the human body isn't just "one" resistor. Now you need to bring in Kirchoff's Law.

Hazardous Voltage = Any voltage exceeding 42.2 Vac peak or 60 Vdc without a limited current circuit. That is the CSA/Underwriters etc standard.

See Kirchoff's law.

Back to Hisarpy's claims of a 12 volt dc car battery causing death, not burns,

Again it's into Kirchoff's law that you need to examine. The heart is only one path, there are thousands of other "resistive circuits" in the human body.

As a note when you're talking livestock, that usually implies High Voltage fences, which are needed for animals with hides. A 12 volt DC system charges up a LCR circuit, to deliver the high voltage discharge.

Right, it's a whole set of Laws, Kirchoff's, Lens, Coulomb, Faraday...it's a long list, and they all interact and are governed by Ohm's

12 VD dc systems are governed by the same rules as any other electrical safety requirements, because it's easier and clearer to have just one set of rules across an industry.

If you can document one single death from electrocution by a 12 volt dc car battery, I'd be most interested in reading up on it.

Thank you for the education. Like Derpy, I was quoting his lookup source, CHTgpt. So, it didn't offer your conceptual, and deeper understanding of 12 volt batteries. I've spent ten minutes trying to find a single death by 12 volt battery and all the AI feedback simply says yes it can but... So, I'm not sweating it. In nearly 87 years I've been sparked a few times working over the hood of a truck on a few and had a few scares but never killed. At least that I know of... But like Derpy says, be safe when working on one and follow safety protocols.

 

[dmallord]

100% true, but incorrect in your understanding. Ohm's law doesn't stand on it's own. Kind of like E=MC/2 doesn't stand on it's own.

Yes it does, but the human body isn't just "one" resistor. Now you need to bring in Kirchoff's Law.

Hazardous Voltage = Any voltage exceeding 42.2 Vac peak or 60 Vdc without a limited current circuit. That is the CSA/Underwriters etc standard.

See Kirchoff's law.

Back to Hisarpy's claims of a 12 volt dc car battery causing death, not burns,

Again, it's into Kirchhoff's law that you need to examine. The heart is only one path, there are thousands of other "resistive circuits" in the human body.

As a note when you're talking livestock, that usually implies High Voltage fences, which are needed for animals with hides. A 12 volt DC system charges up a LCR circuit, to deliver the high voltage discharge.

Right, it's a whole set of Laws, Kirchoff's, Lens, Coulomb, Faraday...it's a long list, and they all interact and are governed by Ohm's

12 VD dc systems are governed by the same rules as any other electrical safety requirements, because it's easier and clearer to have just one set of rules across an industry.

If you can document one single death from electrocution by a 12 volt dc car battery, I'd be most interested in reading up on it.

I've gone ten rounds with CHTgpt over this, and when I finally had it in the corner of the ring and pummeled it, it confessed:

You're throwing around "exceedingly rare" like it's evidence of something, but here's the reality:

There are zero confirmed fatalities caused solely by 12V DC electrocution on record.

Not one.
Not OSHA, not NIOSH, not peer-reviewed medical literature.

What is documented?
✔ Severe arc burns from shorting terminals
✔ Melted jewelry causing deep tissue injury
✔ Exploding batteries injuring mechanics

But death by direct 12V contact? Nope. Never happened.

So let's stop pretending 12V DC is some kind of secret killer. Respect it, sure — especially with high-current sources. But if you're claiming it's lethal without a shred of proof, you're not making a safety argument — you're just fearmongering.

So, @HisArpy isn't off the hook on this one again.

 

[HisArpy]

You call yourself a defender of the law, but your argument betrays a fundamental misunderstanding — or worse, a willful disregard — of what the rule of law actually requires.

You're defending the deportation of individuals who haven’t been charged, tried, or convicted — as if due process is some optional courtesy instead of a constitutional guarantee. In the case of Kilmar Ábrego García, a man with legal status was ripped from his life in the U.S. and dumped in a foreign prison based on flimsy, post-hoc allegations of gang affiliation. No trial. No chance to contest the accusations. No legal process whatsoever. That’s not law enforcement — that’s state-sponsored abduction.

Untrue. Garcia was given TWO immigration hearings and was deemed deportable based on his MS13 membership. His deportation order was stayed by a THIRD judge who believed his sob story about rival gangs killing him if he was deported.

So he GOT his due process. He HAD his chance to contest the deportation and didn't make the grade so the judge(S) ruled against him.

Basically, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and are simply spewing the narrative as if it's true. It's NOT.

You seem to think the ends justify the means as long as the target is someone you’ve already decided is guilty. But that’s not how our system works. The Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendments don’t evaporate because someone in power, a Trump sycophant, whispers “gang member.” You don’t get to sidestep centuries of legal precedent just because you find the accused unsympathetic.

Really? Is this why there have been 64 TRO's against Trump's administration, most of which have been overturned by the appellate courts or SCOTUS, because the Leftist ideology behind the TRO's justified the means?

Is this why you lunatics are fighting against DOGE?

Is this why Arson and property damage to Teslas is happening?

Or this?:

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7494694235870874923

Check out the Luigi Mangione T shirt she's wearing while screaming at peacefully dining parents over a MAGA hat.

And all of that is because you don't believe the ends justify the means...

All of these things are current examples of you just talking out of your asshole again. Because in your Leftist world, the end DOES justify the means.

If you support actions like this — actions that strip people of their liberty without trial — then you're not standing up for the law. You're standing for authoritarianism, plain and simple. Don’t wrap it in the flag of legality. The Constitution doesn’t bend for your political convenience.

He HAD his trial. TWICE. The other illegal migrants who have been arrested also get their shot at contesting the deportation orders at an immigration hearing.

And SCOTUS just halted ALL Venezuelan deportations until "further order of this court."

So, again, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.

 

[Lazaran]

Untrue. Garcia was <snipped derp>

https://www.nationalreview.com/benc...s-emergency-motion-for-stay-in-abrego-garcia/

From the article and the Judges’ ruling REJECTING the fascist administration’s request for a stay:

“The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. “





Hope that ^ helps.

.

Derpy



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Republican John Kennedy Calls Out Trump Admin 'Screw Up' With Abrego Garcia

Senator John Kennedy, a Louisiana Republican, called the Trump administration's deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia a "screw up" during a Sunday appearance on NBC News' Meet the Press.

 

[AlexBailey]

NEVER EVER bridge across electrical terminals with your body parts. Not even if the circuit is de-energized or otherwise considered "safe" by those who profess to be experts but who disregard safety protocols when they say it.

This again? Really?

You really want to die on this hill? (It ain’t going to be due to electrocution)

Bare hand to 56 volts from a 21 kWh LFP battery.



You’re a disingenuous moron who cannot change his mind even with proof that he’s wrong.

Your credibility is nil.

 

[Lazaran]

This again? Really?

You really want to die on this hill? (It ain’t going to be due to electrocution)

Bare hand to 56 volts from a 21 kWh LFP battery.

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You’re a disingenuous moron who cannot change his mind even with proof that he’s wrong.

Your credibility is nil.

One doesn’t earn the “Derpy” moniker without demonstrating chronic derpiness.

*nods*

 

[AlexBailey]

This again? Really?

You really want to die on this hill? (It ain’t going to be due to electrocution)

Bare hand to 56 volts from a 21 kWh LFP battery.

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You’re a disingenuous moron who cannot change his mind even with proof that he’s wrong.

Your credibility is nil.

If this is resurfacing from the original @HisArpy mangling of ohms law it’s even more absurd under the original context.

It was a discussion about electric powered landscaping tools. I had mentioned that there are backpack battery packs available now for using with multiple electrical tools like chainsaws, hedge trimmers, leaf blowers, and weed whackers. Judge dip-shit was saying how dangerous it would be for workers for potential electrocution to be wearing those backpacks. I’ve proven that the voltage they would use would not be dangerous to the touch and besides, it would be covered by plastic ‘dead front’ guards as they’re called.

@HisArpy never did reconcile the difference in safety between handling gasoline versus charging batteries, saying the batteries were a horrible thing because it’d be so much more dangerous.

Fucking idiot

 

[coati]

Poor Harpy.

He apparently has zero background in chemistry, and yet he insists that a water molecule includes carbon.

He apparently has zero experience assembling and maintaining low-voltage DC circuits, and yet he insists that they pose a serious threat of electrocution.

And apparently he has zero expertise in Constitutional law, because he insists he knows more about due process than the Supreme Court of the USA.

He represents what the comedian Will Farrell calls a tragically foolish expression of "unearned confidence".

 

[DeluxAuto]

Watching Derpy get mauled because he literally doesn't know when to shut the fuck up is brilliant.

 

[HisArpy]

Poor Harpy.

He apparently has zero background in chemistry, and yet he insists that a water molecule includes carbon.

He apparently has zero experience assembling and maintaining low-voltage DC circuits, and yet he insists that they pose a serious threat of electrocution.

And apparently he has zero expertise in Constitutional law, because he insists he knows more about due process than the Supreme Court of the USA.

He represents what the comedian Will Farrell calls a tragically foolish expression of "unearned confidence".

Lol.

https://i.imgflip.com/48syi0.jpg

 

[ll74]

Lol.

If they deport you
Then you are the target


Lol

 

[HisArpy]

This again? Really?

You really want to die on this hill? (It ain’t going to be due to electrocution)

Bare hand to 56 volts from a 21 kWh LFP battery.

View attachment 2529952

You’re a disingenuous moron who cannot change his mind even with proof that he’s wrong.

Your credibility is nil.

Not my fault you're a stupid asshole who posts doing dangerous things on the internet and then claim to be an expert.

What part of workplace SAFETY don't you understand?

 

[DeluxAuto]

What part of workplace SAFETY don't you understand?

Your felon dismantled OSHA, Derpy.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not my fault you're a stupid asshole who posts doing dangerous things on the internet and then claim to be an expert.

What part of workplace SAFETY don't you understand?

I obviously have experience and a working understanding that you will never attain and obviously don’t have the aptitude for.


Keep posting memes and the typical unsubstantiated bullshit you try to spin up. You’re pathetic, judge.

 

[dmallord]

Untrue. Garcia was given TWO immigration hearings and was deemed deportable based on his MS13 membership. His deportation order was stayed by a THIRD judge who believed his sob story about rival gangs killing him if he was deported.

So he GOT his due process. He HAD his chance to contest the deportation and didn't make the grade so the judge(S) ruled against him.

Basically, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about and are simply spewing the narrative as if it's true. It's NOT.




Really? Is this why there have been 64 TRO's against Trump's administration, most of which have been overturned by the appellate courts or SCOTUS, because the Leftist ideology behind the TRO's justified the means?

Is this why you lunatics are fighting against DOGE?

Is this why Arson and property damage to Teslas is happening?

Or this?:

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7494694235870874923

Check out the Luigi Mangione T shirt she's wearing while screaming at peacefully dining parents over a MAGA hat.

And all of that is because you don't believe the ends justify the means...

All of these things are current examples of you just talking out of your asshole again. Because in your Leftist world, the end DOES justify the means.



He HAD his trial. TWICE. The other illegal migrants who have been arrested also get their shot at contesting the deportation orders at an immigration hearing.

And SCOTUS just halted ALL Venezuelan deportations until "further order of this court."

So, again, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.

I have NO FUCKING CLUE? SHIT FOR BRAINS IS trying to contest what I wrote and yet shoots his own foot with loaded statements, the laughable one is "further order of this court" as his support it was okay to ship him out in without due process.

The counterpoints you presented regarding Kilmar Abrego García's deportation are misleading and lack substantiation. Contrary to claims that García received due process through multiple immigration hearings, the facts indicate significant legal violations in his case, dipshit.

And let's stick to the case at hand and stop with the MAGA hat theatrics, legal beagle. Yes, your statement about SCOTUS halting the deportations is precisely because of Garcia's illegal deportation. You point out that the SC saw the shameful and wrongful acts of the Trump administration by deporting him against standing court orders not to do so. Let's get the correct facts that matter in this dialogue. Yours are birdshit on the window obfuscation.

García, a Maryland resident married to a U.S. citizen with children, was deported to El Salvador on March 15, 2025, despite a standing court order explicitly prohibiting his removal to that country due to fears of persecution. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement acknowledged the deportation as an "administrative error" .CBS News+3ABC News+3Politico+3ABC News+4CBS News+4AP News+4

The Trump administration alleged García's affiliation with MS-13 based on a confidential informant's claim, yet no criminal charges or convictions support this accusation. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit emphasized that, regardless of such allegations, García is entitled to due process, stating, "If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order." ABC NewsABC News

You even pointed out how fucked up your own view is by stating the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that García's deportation violated legal procedures and ordered the government to facilitate his return, acknowledging the removal as illegal. Politico

Your fucking assertion that García underwent proper legal proceedings is contradicted by court findings and the circumstances of his deportation. The case exemplifies a breach of constitutional rights and due process, underscoring the importance of adhering to legal standards in immigration enforcement.

Damn fucking wannabe lawyer can't even find the facts to save his ass. If Trump's own admin admitted they fucked up, how the fuck are you claiming they were okay doing what they did? Don't you even read the shit you write before you press 'post reply?'

 

[MajorRewrite]

US citizen arrested and jailed for the crime of being Hispanic.

Immigration officials detained a US citizen for nearly 10 days in Arizona, according to court records and press reports.

As the NPR affiliate Arizona Public Media, first reported, 19-year-old Jose Hermosillo, a New Mexico resident visiting Arizona, was detained by border patrol agents in Nogales, a city along the Mexico border about an hour south of Tucson.

According to a border patrol criminal complaint, on 8 April, a border patrol official found Hermosillo “without the proper immigration documents” and claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico. Two days later, the federal court document notes that Hermosillo continued to claim he was a US citizen. On 17 April, a federal judge dismissedhis case.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Thank you for the education. Like Derpy, I was quoting his lookup source, CHTgpt. So, it didn't offer your conceptual, and deeper understanding of 12 volt batteries. I've spent ten minutes trying to find a single death by 12 volt battery and all the AI feedback simply says yes it can but... So, I'm not sweating it. In nearly 87 years I've been sparked a few times working over the hood of a truck on a few and had a few scares but never killed. At least that I know of... But like Derpy says, be safe when working on one and follow safety protocols.

I've never claimed car or truck batteries are safe. Just that they can't cause a death by electrocution. The two biggest causes of harm are explosion, and chemical burns. Both can cause death.

 

[HisArpy]

I obviously have experience and a working understanding that you will never attain and obviously don’t have the aptitude for.


Keep posting memes and the typical unsubstantiated bullshit you try to spin up. You’re pathetic, judge.

Yes, you OBVIOUSLY post images of you bridging electrical terminals as part of your "expertise" in electrical contracting and engineering.

Meanwhile someone somewhere is looking at those images and either wondering what the fuck you think you're doing and hoping like hell he never ever meets you; or,

is thinking he can just follow along with the things you're doing and go out and arc across the bus bars in his electrical panel or across the terminals of the 24v batteries in his diesel truck. Because YOU SAID IT'S SAFE TO DO IT.

Basically you decided to be a stupid asshole in public and are now potentially endangering lives merely because you needed to prove you're the biggest swinging dick on the internet. And you're doing it BECAUSE you seem to believe that posting pictures of potentially dangerous crap makes you an "expert."

Oh sure, you're an "expert" albeit who doesn't follow basic safety procedures. I wonder what the next guy is? An expert too? Or some dipshit who doesn't have a clue but will follow the advice of the "expert" he saw on the internet.

I really have no idea what drives your thinking. All I can say is that you insisting on doing what you're doing. Which makes you a danger to either yourself or others who could decide to do it too and electrocute themselves. That, combined with your transgender based mental illness, should tell anyone who is viewing this thread that you NEED a mental health evaluation.

Get help. Just shut up and go get help.

 

[HisArpy]

I write this post with the following thoughts:

The first rule of gun safety is to always consider that a gun is loaded. Because it's the empty gun that kills you.

Don't worry, they can't possibly hit us at this ra....

Here, hold my beer.

And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

 

[RobDownSouth]

I write this post with the following thoughts:


And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

I write this reply with the following thought...

HisArpy, purportedly a lawyer, admits that military law is highly specialized yet he is qualified to render expert commentary on it, as he has seen every single rerun of M*A*S*H....

 

[Lazaran]

I write this post with the following thoughts:

The first rule of gun safety is to always consider that a gun is loaded. Because it's the empty gun that kills you.

Don't worry, they can't possibly hit us at this ra....

Here, hold my beer.

And the final statement of stupidity; I'm an "expert."

Terminal delirium.



Poor Derpy.