Demonstrations in San Francisco area

[Boxlicker101]

There are demonstrations planned by leftists and rightists in the Bay Area over the weekend.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-latest-city-brace-protests-101535968.html

It might be interesting and instructive to see which ones degenerate the most into violence.

 

[Hypoxia]

Walk carefully at Crissy Field.

 

[Iceprincess12]

The Costco demonstrations for the Vitamix are top notch. Who knew you can make piping hot soup in a blender?

Beat that San Fran!

 

[Boxlicker101]

The right wing demonstration has now been cancelled. The leftist orgy of looting and destruction will apparently go on as planned.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

People like you get more upset at "looters" than you do at Neo-Nazi's and the KKK, and thus, by extension, concentration camps and lynchings. Both A-ok in your book, as long as you're not "destroying" property.

Antifa are a VERY small group of people who infiltrate peaceful demonstrations. They didn't show up at the Women's March, remember? 3 million world wide and not one arrest. The Antifa people only show up when facists show up. They're anti-facists.

I know it's useless, but try and get this through your thick head.

Most people on the "left" totally disavow them and want no part of them. Personally, I think they're great.

If you get rid of the facists, you get rid of Anti-fa, get it? But then facists are totally cool with you, apparently.

Why don't you start complaining about the KKK as much as you complain about "looters?"

And let's recap: Antifa have murdered . . . hmmm . . . no one



Neo-Nazi's have killed 1, recently, another 2 in Portland, and that's just in the past few months. But that's perfectly ok with you.

The right wing demonstration has now been cancelled. The leftist orgy of looting and destruction will apparently go on as planned.

 

[HisArpy]

People like you get more upset at "looters" than you do at Neo-Nazi's and the KKK, and thus, by extension, concentration camps and lynchings. Both A-ok in your book, as long as you're not "destroying" property.

Antifa are a VERY small group of people who infiltrate peaceful demonstrations. They didn't show up at the Women's March, remember? 3 million world wide and not one arrest. The Antifa people only show up when facists show up. They're anti-facists.

I know it's useless, but try and get this through your thick head.

Most people on the "left" totally disavow them and want no part of them. Personally, I think they're great.

If you get rid of the facists, you get rid of Anti-fa, get it? But then facists are totally cool with you, apparently.

Why don't you start complaining about the KKK as much as you complain about "looters?"

And let's recap: Antifa have murdered . . . hmmm . . . no one



Neo-Nazi's have killed 1, recently, another 2 in Portland, and that's just in the past few months. But that's perfectly ok with you.

I wonder how it is that you cannot see what is right and what is wrong.

You cannot see that marches by Neo-Nazi's are FREE SPEECH. Their marches and banner and social/political leanings are protected under the same rules that allows you to come here and flame them. Yet they are wrong and you are right.

You cannot see that supporting violence in the name of suppression rights is wrong because you don't like the PERSONS exercising their rights and freedoms.

You cannot see (or read history) to know that social justice mobs do not just "go away" afterward. They extend their violence and rampage to include others whom they disagree with. This week it's White Supremacists. Next week it'll be school textbooks that don't teach "true history". The week after that'll be neighborhoods which allow "scumbags" to live in them. Then it'll be brunettes with short hair. Then... Well you get the picture. People who commit illegal violent acts don't just "stop" when they feel like it. They commit violence because they want/need to and you can't stop them very easily.

You also say that Antifa haven't killed anyone. This is incorrect. EVERY PERSON who dies, whether as a result of Antif's direct acts or not, during any Antifa riot or unlawful protest is manslaughter and THAT CRIME is legally attributable to those persons who are committing the crimes. This is called the felony murder rule. Antifa have violated it EVERY TIME someone dies while they riot/bash/loot/steal/burn. Every. Single. Time. They are murderers who support murder and death by violent means.

Most people on the "left" totally disavow them and want no part of them. Personally, I think they're great.

This part of your post distresses me for 2 reasons.

On the one hand, you believe that "most...on the left...totally disavow them..." and think this is enough to separate and insulate them from the leftist beliefs. Yet Trump's continued disavowal of White Supremacy and racism isn't enough to separate and insulate him from your view that he supports racism. This is called being two-faced and you cannot see that it applies to you and your political leanings/expressions.

On the second front, it also exposes why your general political comments are so abusive and derogatory. You choose to act here like Antifa acts in the street. And yet you cannot see why people don't agree with your opinions or political point of view.

Antifa are CRIMINALS. They use violence against unarmed society, to force their personal beliefs on those they deem unworthy of equal rights. They destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of private and public property. And the ONLY REASON they haven't directly killed anyone yet isn't for lack of trying. It's because so far all of the HUNDREDS of their victims have survived. Yet you admire them. That's beyond my ability to express in words how disgusting it is. It is beyond appalling.


And you cannot see any of this.

 

[sr71plt]

If you were thinking that your being distressed would bother me in some way, HisArpy, think again.

My what lengths you'll go to to justify being despicable. I don't think you got the latest memo for the Trump Dupes/Dopes, though. Following the Constitution or staying inside the law aren't on the Trump agenda this week.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Thank you for proving my point.

You:

Neo-Nazi's and KKK preaching hatred of:

Jews
Blacks
Gays

= "Just Free Speech." All A-OK with you.

Anti-Fascists protesting Neo-Nazis and KKK = Intolerance!!! Who's next, people with black hair?

Where is your outrage when the Neo-Nazi's go after Jews and other groups? --Crickets--

Neo-Nazi's are the true victims of intolerance, according to you.

And btw they came to Charlottesville armed, you dumb shit. They marched in strapped with all kinds of guns. The ACLU came out and said their "Free Speech" is NOT protected when they come carrying guns.

And if you're trying to put Antifa on the same plane as Neo-Nazi's and KKK in terms of violence, you still have that little teensy problem of, I don't know, the Holocaust, and decades of murders of black folk. Get back to us when Antifa have murdered millions.

I wonder how it is that you cannot see what is right and what is wrong.

You cannot see that marches by Neo-Nazi's are FREE SPEECH. Their marches and banner and social/political leanings are protected under the same rules that allows you to come here and flame them. Yet they are wrong and you are right.

You cannot see that supporting violence in the name of suppression rights is wrong because you don't like the PERSONS exercising their rights and freedoms.

You cannot see (or read history) to know that social justice mobs do not just "go away" afterward. They extend their violence and rampage to include others whom they disagree with. This week it's White Supremacists. Next week it'll be school textbooks that don't teach "true history". The week after that'll be neighborhoods which allow "scumbags" to live in them. Then it'll be brunettes with short hair. Then... Well you get the picture. People who commit illegal violent acts don't just "stop" when they feel like it. They commit violence because they want/need to and you can't stop them very easily.

You also say that Antifa haven't killed anyone. This is incorrect. EVERY PERSON who dies, whether as a result of Antif's direct acts or not, during any Antifa riot or unlawful protest is manslaughter and THAT CRIME is legally attributable to those persons who are committing the crimes. This is called the felony murder rule. Antifa have violated it EVERY TIME someone dies while they riot/bash/loot/steal/burn. Every. Single. Time. They are murderers who support murder and death by violent means.



This part of your post distresses me for 2 reasons.

On the one hand, you believe that "most...on the left...totally disavow them..." and think this is enough to separate and insulate them from the leftist beliefs. Yet Trump's continued disavowal of White Supremacy and racism isn't enough to separate and insulate him from your view that he supports racism. This is called being two-faced and you cannot see that it applies to you and your political leanings/expressions.

On the second front, it also exposes why your general political comments are so abusive and derogatory. You choose to act here like Antifa acts in the street. And yet you cannot see why people don't agree with your opinions or political point of view.

Antifa are CRIMINALS. They use violence against unarmed society, to force their personal beliefs on those they deem unworthy of equal rights. They destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of private and public property. And the ONLY REASON they haven't directly killed anyone yet isn't for lack of trying. It's because so far all of the HUNDREDS of their victims have survived. Yet you admire them. That's beyond my ability to express in words how disgusting it is. It is beyond appalling.


And you cannot see any of this.

 

[Hypoxia]

And btw they came to Charlottesville armed, you dumb shit. They marched in strapped with all kinds of guns. The ACLU came out and said their "Free Speech" is NOT protected when they come carrying guns.

"Political power emerges from the barrel of a gun."
--Chairman Mao

But free speech emerges from dialog, from engaged mouths, not shotguns.

Bannon has called himself a Leninist. We can see the path the alt.right is taking: a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist revolution masked as patriotism. What will their "Great Leap Forward" look like? How many bodies will litter the landscape?

 

[Boxlicker101]

People like you get more upset at "looters" than you do at Neo-Nazi's and the KKK, and thus, by extension, concentration camps and lynchings. Both A-ok in your book, as long as you're not "destroying" property.

I do get upset at looters and vandals and arsonists, but what are these "concentration camps" of which you speak? FDR was the only American I know of who ever started them, and that was in 1941 and 1942. Lynchings are extremely bad too. Most of them in the last 100 years or so were carried out by Democrats, but they don't happen any more.

Have I ever said anything good about either Nazis or the KKK? Mostly I refer to them as thugs and assholes. Probably the best thing I have ever said is that, as Americans, they enjoy the protection of the First Amendment.

Antifa are a VERY small group of people who infiltrate peaceful demonstrations. They didn't show up at the Women's March, remember? 3 million world wide and not one arrest. The Antifa people only show up when facists show up. They're anti-facists.

Antifa and BLM aren't all that small. Probably either group has more members than the KKK and the Neo-Nazis.

I know it's useless, but try and get this through your thick head.

Most people on the "left" totally disavow them and want no part of them. Personally, I think they're great.

If you get rid of the facists, you get rid of Anti-fa, get it? But then facists are totally cool with you, apparently.

Why don't you start complaining about the KKK as much as you complain about "looters?"

See above. Nazis and the KKK actually harm very few people, while looters, etc. harm millions.

And let's recap: Antifa have murdered . . . hmmm . . . no one

Neo-Nazi's have killed 1, recently, another 2 in Portland, and that's just in the past few months. But that's perfectly ok with you.

I don't know how many people have been murdered by Antifa and BLM. I do know they have issued numerous death threats and they attack w ith deadly weapons and some of their illegal actions could result in somebody dying.

As I have said repeatedly, "A pox on all their houses."

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Congratulations, you've won a place in the Hall of Fame (See signature)

I do get upset at looters and vandals and arsonists, but what are these "concentration camps" of which you speak? FDR was the only American I know of who ever started them, and that was in 1941 and 1942. Lynchings are extremely bad too. Most of them in the last 100 years or so were carried out by Democrats, but they don't happen any more.

Have I ever said anything good about either Nazis or the KKK? Mostly I refer to them as thugs and assholes. Probably the best thing I have ever said is that, as Americans, they enjoy the protection of the First Amendment.


Antifa and BLM aren't all that small. Probably either group has more members than the KKK and the Neo-Nazis.


See above. Nazis and the KKK actually harm very few people, while looters, etc. harm millions.



I don't know how many people have been murdered by Antifa and BLM. I do know they have issued numerous death threats and they attack w ith deadly weapons and some of their illegal actions could result in somebody dying.

As I have said repeatedly, "A pox on all their houses."

 

[HisArpy]

Thank you for proving my point.

You:

Neo-Nazi's and KKK preaching hatred of:

Jews
Blacks
Gays

= "Just Free Speech." All A-OK with you.

Anti-Fascists protesting Neo-Nazis and KKK = Intolerance!!! Who's next, people with black hair?

Where is your outrage when the Neo-Nazi's go after Jews and other groups? --Crickets--

Neo-Nazi's are the true victims of intolerance, according to you.

And btw they came to Charlottesville armed, you dumb shit. They marched in strapped with all kinds of guns. The ACLU came out and said their "Free Speech" is NOT protected when they come carrying guns.

And if you're trying to put Antifa on the same plane as Neo-Nazi's and KKK in terms of violence, you still have that little teensy problem of, I don't know, the Holocaust, and decades of murders of black folk. Get back to us when Antifa have murdered millions.

I don't care WHAT you/the KKK/neo-nazi's/whoever has to say, you have a RIGHT to say it. I also have a right to oppose it - WITH WORDS. What neither I or you have is a right to beat, maim, kill, assault, etc someone because I/you don't like what they say or stand for.

Apparently YOU think that's ok. I think that's illegal.

I have represented victims of Domestic Violence, racism, and discrimination. I did this as a normal part of MY LIFE for over 20 years. Where were YOU all that time? - crickets - indeed. Hypocrite. DO NOT call me absent when I was in the front rank fighting to protect YOU AND YOURS from those who would harm you. You may choose to say you don't believe, but you are really putting your own FAILURES into your own mouth when you do.

Free speech is free speech even if the person speaking is armed. NO ONE has a right to suppress them or threaten them or do actual harm to them. ONLY IF the speaker attempts to incite violence is the speech illegal. Your belief (and the supposedly similar belief from the ACLU) is worthless. The law is settled, what you claim is NOT the law.

Lastly, the Antifa ARE the facists. They prove it by their behavior, creed, ideology, and illegal acts. Facists have acted throughout history EXACTLY as the Antifa are acting currently - suppress those whom you oppose by violence and call THEM the guilty ones. YOU support VIOLENT illegal conduct and wonder why people with common sense think you're insane.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Again, how many people have the Antifa killed or maimed? None.

The guy ran his car into the crowd "because he hated them" [his words] and because he wanted to "shut them up." [his words.] Suppression and murder was on your side.

When have the Antifa ever attempted to "suppress" someone's speech? I don't see them denying the facists their "right" to be there. They came to protest and to fight--that's not "suppression." If anything, they want the fight. And going after them is not exactly about "denying their First Amendment rights." It's about saying F you to WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO THEM.

And PUHLEASE spare as all this faux-patriot defense of the Neo-Nazi's and their innocent "free speech." That is NOT what this was. They picked a fight.

They came into a town supposedly to protest the removing of a statue. What they ended up doing was chanting anti-Jew, anti-black and anti-gay epithets to a crowd they knew were liberals. That had nothing to do with protesting a statue, and it was not innocent. No one's stopping them from spewing their crap to each other. What they did was assault and terrorize a community. It is utterly ridiculous to paint them as innocent little lambs.

If you invade my home and chant anti-white racist epithets into my face, that is quite different than arguing in a classroom, giving a speech in a room, writing on the internet, etc. You conveniently gloss all of this over.

They formed a ring around the statue and chanted at the top of their lungs "Fuck you, Faggots."

I have NO problem whatsoever with some of them getting beaned with urine-filled balloons as a result. Give me a BREAK that that make them martyrs of "free speech."

And if the Nazi's show up with torches (reference to German Nazi's) chanting anti-Jewish hate WITH GUNS, I also have NO problem with people assaulting them in response. None at all. If they want to post their little memes in the privacy of their own homes or in their own towns, amongst themselves, have at it. That is NOT what this was.

The Antifa respond to provocation. If you don't want to get punched, don't go into a black community and start chanting the N-word.

How are the Antifa facists? What ETHNIC or RFELIGIOUS groups do they discriminate against? What racial groups do they advocate violence against?

You have your history wrong. Fascism in Germany started exactly with groups like the ones who marched into Charlottesville with their torches and Swastikas.

You cannot divorce this issues of "free speech" from WHO these people were and the CONTEXT in which they said what they said. No one came to THEIR houses to attack them. They came to Charlottesville seeking a specific audience. The audience responded.

And yes, defending the Neo-Nazi's in this instance, given what they did, makes you completely complicit AND "absent."

EEEK! OH! GOLLY! The Antifa are VIOLENT OH NO! My goodness those TERRIBLE PEOPLE picking on those sweet little KKK people.

I don't care WHAT you/the KKK/neo-nazi's/whoever has to say, you have a RIGHT to say it. I also have a right to oppose it - WITH WORDS. What neither I or you have is a right to beat, maim, kill, assault, etc someone because I/you don't like what they say or stand for.

Apparently YOU think that's ok. I think that's illegal.

I have represented victims of Domestic Violence, racism, and discrimination. I did this as a normal part of MY LIFE for over 20 years. Where were YOU all that time? - crickets - indeed. Hypocrite. DO NOT call me absent when I was in the front rank fighting to protect YOU AND YOURS from those who would harm you. You may choose to say you don't believe, but you are really putting your own FAILURES into your own mouth when you do.

Free speech is free speech even if the person speaking is armed. NO ONE has a right to suppress them or threaten them or do actual harm to them. ONLY IF the speaker attempts to incite violence is the speech illegal. Your belief (and the supposedly similar belief from the ACLU) is worthless. The law is settled, what you claim is NOT the law.

Lastly, the Antifa ARE the facists. They prove it by their behavior, creed, ideology, and illegal acts. Facists have acted throughout history EXACTLY as the Antifa are acting currently - suppress those whom you oppose by violence and call THEM the guilty ones. YOU support VIOLENT illegal conduct and wonder why people with common sense think you're insane.

 

[HisArpy]

Again, how many people have the Antifa killed or maimed? None.

The guy ran his car into the crowd "because he hated them" [his words] and because he wanted to "shut them up." [his words.] Suppression and murder was on your side.

When have the Antifa ever attempted to "suppress" someone's speech? I don't see them denying the facists their "right" to be there. They came to protest and to fight--that's not "suppression." If anything, they want the fight. And going after them is not exactly about "denying their First Amendment rights." It's about saying F you to WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO THEM.

And PUHLEASE spare as all this faux-patriot defense of the Neo-Nazi's and their innocent "free speech." That is NOT what this was. They picked a fight.

They came into a town supposedly to protest the removing of a statue. What they ended up doing was chanting anti-Jew, anti-black and anti-gay epithets to a crowd they knew were liberals. That had nothing to do with protesting a statue, and it was not innocent. No one's stopping them from spewing their crap to each other. What they did was assault and terrorize a community. It is utterly ridiculous to paint them as innocent little lambs.

If you invade my home and chant anti-white racist epithets into my face, that is quite different than arguing in a classroom, giving a speech in a room, writing on the internet, etc. You conveniently gloss all of this over.

They formed a ring around the statue and chanted at the top of their lungs "Fuck you, Faggots."

I have NO problem whatsoever with some of them getting beaned with urine-filled balloons as a result. Give me a BREAK that that make them martyrs of "free speech."

And if the Nazi's show up with torches (reference to German Nazi's) chanting anti-Jewish hate WITH GUNS, I also have NO problem with people assaulting them in response. None at all. If they want to post their little memes in the privacy of their own homes or in their own towns, amongst themselves, have at it. That is NOT what this was.

The Antifa respond to provocation. If you don't want to get punched, don't go into a black community and start chanting the N-word.

How are the Antifa facists? What ETHNIC or RFELIGIOUS groups do they discriminate against? What racial groups do they advocate violence against?

You have your history wrong. Fascism in Germany started exactly with groups like the ones who marched into Charlottesville with their torches and Swastikas.

You cannot divorce this issues of "free speech" from WHO these people were and the CONTEXT in which they said what they said. No one came to THEIR houses to attack them. They came to Charlottesville seeking a specific audience. The audience responded.

And yes, defending the Neo-Nazi's in this instance, given what they did, makes you completely complicit AND "absent."

EEEK! OH! GOLLY! The Antifa are VIOLENT OH NO! My goodness those TERRIBLE PEOPLE picking on those sweet little KKK people.

You pivot and wiggle ans squirm but you won't face the TRUTH.

When, you ask, have the Antifa suppressed speech? Do the Berkley riots against Milo Yanovich come to mind? Or the time Ann Coulter wanted to speak? Or, gasp, Charlottesville?

Oh but that's ok because they're nazi's. Or white supremacists. Or whatever label you want to tag them with in your zeal to PREVENT them from speaking.

Then you LIE ABOUT IT like it never happened. You support violence against those who only SPEAK because you don't like the message. Then you pivot to conceal what's happening by saying that it was the Nazi's who started it and they deserve it anyway.

Newsflash. By whatever name you call it, it's STILL suppression of the right to live in peace. Had the Antifa stayed away form Charlottesville, there would have been no riot. They KNEW, came armed and prepared and EAGER to fight against those whose message they disagreed with. Not with words, but baseball bats and clubs and knives.

Another newsflash. Had the KKK or the White supremacists or the Neo-Nazi's been armed as you claimed, there would have been Antifa bodies in the street. There weren't.

History, go read it sometime and stop Google-ing for labels. The Brownshirts of yesterday are the Antifa of today. Same tactics. Same ideology. Same actions. You can find the same mentality in the Muslim Religious Police. Or a government coup. It's called violent overthrow and intolerance of those things you object to.

Welcome to the world you support. Violence, evil and suppression of innocents.

 

[sr71plt]

Had the Antifa stayed away form Charlottesville, there would have been no riot. They KNEW, came armed and prepared and EAGER to fight against those whose message they disagreed with. Not with words, but baseball bats and clubs and knives.

True, to a limited extent, but if the white supremacists had stayed away from Charlottesville and hadn't publicized that they were coming, and coming armed, what you call the Antifa would have stayed away. Primacy of "should have stayed away" goes to the armed white supremacists.

Another newsflash. Had the KKK or the White supremacists or the Neo-Nazi's been armed as you claimed, there would have been Antifa bodies in the street. There weren't.

Absolute bullshit. They came armed to the teeth--with more, and higher level lethal weapons than anyone else brought. The videos clearly show this, one of their leaders gleefully stripped down in a motel room, throwing guns and knifes left and right, for a Vice TV camera documentary that has gove viral on the Internet, and I saw them armed with my own eyes in Charlottesville.

You screw your argument with this ridiculous statement.

And, actually, admitting they came fully--and openly--armed with guns but pointing out that they didn't use them is a better argument for the white supremacists than the silly lie you tell.

 

[phrodeau]

They would have used their guns, but Cleetus forgot to bring the bullets.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

The Antifa had no say in who or who wasn't "allowed" to speak at Berkeley--that was up to the University. And when they turned poor little Ann away, the Lefty softies of the Berkeley student body threw a fit about her free speech, and the University changed its mind, dumb ass

Again, protesting against them, fighting back, etc., that's not "suppressing" their speech. The Anti-Abortion nuts picket outside abortion clinics; that's a protest. They're not "suppressing" anybody.

You come and hold a rally, the protestors have a right to be there.

You pivot and wiggle ans squirm but you won't face the TRUTH.

When, you ask, have the Antifa suppressed speech? Do the Berkley riots against Milo Yanovich come to mind? Or the time Ann Coulter wanted to speak? Or, gasp, Charlottesville?

You're the one wiggling and squirming, because you're skirting the issue of a.) why they were there; b.) what they were SAYING and c.) the violence and terrorism of their "speech."

I have a problem with NAZI or any kind of hate speech when it's presented the way it was--as an invasion, an assault, directed at targeted victims.

Oh but that's ok because they're nazi's. Or white supremacists. Or whatever label you want to tag them with in your zeal to PREVENT them from speaking.

The residents had a right to live in peace, but Nazi's invaded their town.

And let's be clear: some "words" are weapons. I consider violent hate speech an assault. Again, YOU are squirming around the issue of what they were doing there.

Newsflash. By whatever name you call it, it's STILL suppression of the right to live in peace. Had the Antifa stayed away form Charlottesville, there would have been no riot. They KNEW, came armed and prepared and EAGER to fight against those whose message they disagreed with. Not with words, but baseball bats and clubs and knives.

They were armed. It's well documented. And the police said they were overwhelmed by the firepower!

Another newsflash. Had the KKK or the White supremacists or the Neo-Nazi's been armed as you claimed, there would have been Antifa bodies in the street. There weren't.

Oh, intolerance, oh, such a bad thing.

You conveniently gloss over the fact that the Neo-Nazi's are advocating intolerance of ethnic, racial and religious groups that THEY don't like. For no reason other than hate on ethnic and racial and religious bigotry. THAT'S ok with you.

Anti-Semitism: AWESOME!!

History, go read it sometime and stop Google-ing for labels. The Brownshirts of yesterday are the Antifa of today. Same tactics. Same ideology. Same actions. You can find the same mentality in the Muslim Religious Police. Or a government coup. It's called violent overthrow and intolerance of those things you object to.

Poor little Nazi snowflakes

Welcome to the world you support. Violence, evil and suppression of innocents

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Number of people killed or maimed by Antifa: 0

From Slate:

Below (taken from SPLC's records, confirmed by outside news accounts, and supplemented with additional research) is a list of 35 deadly attacks since Oklahoma City—comprising a total of 74 victims—carried out or believed to have been carried out by white extremists.

Oct. 9, 1995. An Amtrak employee is killed when a train derails near Hyder, Arizona because the track it's traveling on has been sabotaged. The perpetrators are never found, but anti-law enforcement propaganda messages from the "Sons of Gestapo" are found near the scene.

April 12, 1996. A neo-Nazi named Larry Wayne Shoemake, who is found to have owned at least 22 firearms and an estimated 20,000 rounds of ammunition, kills a black man in a random Jackson, Mississippi attack.

July 27, 1996. A bomb set by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is affiliated with the "Christian Identity" fundamentalist movement, kills one person at the Atlanta Olympics.

Jan. 29, 1998. Another bomb set by Rudolph kills a man at a Birmingham abortion clinic.

May 29, 1998. Three militia sympathizers named Alan Pilon, Robert Mason and Jason McVean fire 29 shots at a Cortez, Colorado police officer who is trying to apprehend them because they've stolen a water truck, killing him. The three evade capture but are believed to ultimately have died in the desert wilderness surrounding the crime scene.

Oct. 23, 1998. With his wife and children nearby, an abortion provider in Amherst, New York is shot and killed through the window of his home by James Charles Kopp.

July 1, 1999. Brothers Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, who also have connections to the "Christian Identity" movement, kill a gay couple in Redding, California.

July 2–July 5 1999. Neo-Nazi Benjamin Nathaniel Smith kills black basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong and and a Korean graduate student and wounds nine other non-white victims in a three-day shooting spree.

Aug. 10, 1999. Neo-Nazi Buford Furrow kills a Filipino immigrant after firing 70 shots inside a Jewish community center near Los Angeles.

2000. An unemployed immigration attorney named Richard Baumhammers who believes "non-white immigration" should be banned shoots and kills five people in the Pittsburgh area.

Sept. 15–Oct. 4, 2001. Mark Stroman, a lifelong criminal with connections to the Aryan Brotherhood, shoots three South Asian men in the Dallas area—killing two—in what he describes as revenge for 9/11.

Dec. 8, 2003. Steven Bixby kills two police officers in Abbeville, South Carolina during a dispute over the state's decision to use a 20-foot strip of the Bixbys' land to widen a highway.

May 24, 2004. Wade and Christopher Lay, a father-son pair obsessed with the 1993 government siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, kill a bank security guard in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

July 27, 2008. Jim David Adkisson shoots and kills two people during a childrens' performance of a musical at a Unitarian Univeralist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, telling police that he intended to target individuals who had voted for liberals and Democrats.

Jan. 21, 2009. Neo-Nazi Keith Luke rapes and kills an immigrant from Cape Verde in Brockton, Massachusetts, then kills a 72-year-old homeless immigrant.

April 4, 2009. Richard Andrew Poplawski, a frequent poster on the white supremacist Stormfront website who apparently believes a national "gun ban" is imminent, kills three Pittsburgh police officers.

April 25, 2009. Joshua Cartwright kills two Okaloosa County, Florida sheriff's deputies. Per a police report, Cartwright's wife says he was paranoid about the U.S. government and "extremely disturbed" by Barack Obama's election.

May 30, 2009. Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush kill a Latino man and his nine-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Arizona during a robbery intended to raise funds for the "Minutemen American Defense" group.

May 31, 2009. Scott Roeder kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the Wichita, Kansas Lutheran church where Tiller serves as an usher.

June 10, 2009. An 89-year-old white supremacist named James von Brunn kills a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. from point-blank range.

Feb. 18, 2010. Joseph Andrew Stack flies a plane into an Austin, Texas IRS office, killing one person.

May 20, 2010. A father-son pair named Jerry and Joseph Kane (who conduct "seminars" about how "sovereign citizens" can evade debt) kill two West Memphis, Arkansas police officers.

Sept. 26–Oct. 3, 2011. Avowed white supremacists David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby kill Pedersen's father and stepmother in Washington, a man they believe is Jewish in Oregon, and a black man in California.*

Aug. 5, 2012. A white supremacist named Wade Michael Page kills six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.

Aug. 16, 2012. "Sovereign citizen"-movement adherents Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel, who are now awaiting trial, allegedly kill two Louisiana sheriff's deputies in a trailer-park ambush.

Sept. 4, 2012. Christopher Lacy, a software engineer who lives in a rural trailer and apparently sympathizes with the "sovereign citizen" movement, shoots a California Highway Patrol officer who dies the next day.

April 13, 2014. Frazier Glenn Miller, a 73-year-old with a long history of KKK activity, kills three people in the area of a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas.

June 8, 2014. Jerad and Amanda Miller kill two police officers in a random attack at a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, then kill a customer at a Walmart. The Millers had spent time on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's property during protests related to Bundy's dispute with the federal government.

Sept. 12, 2014. Eric Frein allegedly shoots and kills a Pennsylvania state trooper; he's caught 48 days later after hiding from authorities in "survivalist" fashion in a rural area.

June 17, 2015. Dylann Roof murders nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

July 24, 2015. John Russell Houser, a 59-year-old man with a history of expressing extremist and anti-feminist beliefs, kills two women at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Nov. 27, 2015. A 57-year-old religious fanatic named Robert Lewis Dear shoots and kills three people, including a police officer, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs.

March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.

May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a "known local white supremacist" named Jeremy Joseph Christian.

Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.

But but but . . . LOOTING!!

 

[Hypoxia]

But but but . . . LOOTING!!

All those antifas looters and rioters were hired off Craigslist by agents of the Koch Brothers specifically to discredit peaceful progressive protesters. It's mostly a staged show, folks. Sometimes naive alt.right suckers get worked up and kill people. But then 50,000 Russian tweetbots activate and blame G.Soros, B.Obama,J.Podesta, C.Slim, et al for setting-up the poor Nazis.

Prove it ain't so.
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I'll have to start my own new channel. Next story:

In Surprise Move, Tromp Blocks Further Russian Election Tampering:

"The security of our political system is of prime importance," the president said in mostly scripted remarks. "We can't let Putin fuck with us again. Therefore, I have signed an executive order canceling all upcoming national elections. Those damn Russians, whom I still owe a few billion bucks, won't get their claws in us again. Deny them the opportunity, that's the strategy! Our election days will be re-designated as National Dancing holidays commemorating the Twist and the Hully-Gully. Make America Gyrate Again!"

I'm waiting for Breitbart to pick it up.

 

[Iceprincess12]

So many personal attacks. Can we please get back to what's important?

Vitamix and its amazing demonstrations. (Excited salesperson with head mic, not for purchase)

 

[Hypoxia]

I just saw some fun demonstrations in San Francisco via vid.phone.

My 6-year-old grandson demonstrate his proficiency at handstands.

His 8-year-old sister demonstrated methods for tipping-over handstanders.

Their mother demonstrated admirable restraint.

Which is more than Nazis can claim.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Well, the violence wasn't as bad as I expected: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...narchists-swarm-anti-hate-rally-in-california

The people who were there to demonstrate against hate didn't have as many people on whom to vent their hatred, so it was relatively low-key. Of course, that's only when compared to some other riots. http://www.ibtimes.com/watch-antifa-violence-fifth-protest-berkeley-2583417

 

[LincolnDuncan]

I know a lot of Trump supporters but I don't know anyone in antifa. If they do exist, they won't for long. The FBI will do a cointelpro operation.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I know a lot of Trump supporters but I don't know anyone in antifa. If they do exist, they won't for long. The FBI will do a cointelpro operation.

They obviously exist. At least there is a group that publicly identifies themselves as such.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/who-antifa-meet-radical-neo-nazi-fighting-militia-n793241

What is 'Antifa?'

Antifa is short for "anti-fascist." It is a loosely organized coalition of protesters, left-wing activists, and self-described anarchists who vow to physically confront "fascists" — meaning anyone who espouses bigoted or totalitarian views.

Dana R. Fisher, a sociologist who has studied protest movements in the United States for decades, said she's come to view Antifa protesters as a militant response to the rise in visibility of white nationalist organizations since Trump's election.

 

[mark_j]

They obviously exist. At least there is a group that publicly identifies themselves as such.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/who-antifa-meet-radical-neo-nazi-fighting-militia-n793241

What is 'Antifa?'

Antifa is short for "anti-fascist." It is a loosely organized coalition of protesters, left-wing activists, and self-described anarchists who vow to physically confront "fascists" — meaning anyone who espouses bigoted or totalitarian views.

Dana R. Fisher, a sociologist who has studied protest movements in the United States for decades, said she's come to view Antifa protesters as a militant response to the rise in visibility of white nationalist organizations since Trump's election.

They existed in one form or another way before Trump. Look up the WTO riots in Seattle in the 90's, the anarchist movement since then. It's been a tradition here in Seattle/Portland for quite a while during the May Day marches.

What possibly has changed is the focus..