Democrats First To Join The New Reich.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card

IF YOU ORGANIZE IT THEY WILL COME.

 

[Stella_Omega]

IF YOU ORGANIZE IT THEY WILL COME.

No they won't.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card

IF YOU ORGANIZE IT THEY WILL COME.

No they won't.

No but they will be first in line to sell forgeries to the illegals.

 

[D_K_Moon]

No but they will be first in line to sell forgeries to the illegals.

No, that would be the Republicans, anything for a profit. . .

 

[Zeb_Carter]

No, that would be the Republicans, anything for a profit. . .

So tell me how poor all those democrats in Congress are? Tell me they have given up their wealth to the American people? Tell me how they have gotten that wealth without participating in the Capitalistic society you are so afraid of?

You want to be wealthy in...

Want to get rich? Work for feds
Examiner Editorial
April 29, 2010


For decades, public sector unions have peddled the fantasy that government employees were paid less than their counterparts in the private sector. In fact, the pay disparity is the other way around. Government workers, especially at the federal level, make salaries that are scandalously higher than those paid to private sector workers. And let's not forget private sector workers not only have to be sufficiently productive to earn their paychecks, they also must pay the taxes that support the more generous jobs in the public sector.

Data shows the pay gap between state and local government and private sector workers. (Chris Edwards/Cato Institute)

 

[D_K_Moon]

So tell me how poor all those democrats in Congress are?

Show me a poor politician and I will show you a thief in training.

 

[DeeZire]

What's the alternative? Right now, illegals can purchase fake paper documents for $100. If we want to crack down on illegals, wouldn't we need a way to verify their status? How do you want to verify their status, Zeb?

 

[Netzach]

You already have to piss in a cup for most jobs but when private interests invade your privacy it gives you a boner.

 

[D_K_Moon]

What's the alternative? Right now, illegals can purchase fake paper documents for $100. If we want to crack down on illegals, wouldn't we need a way to verify their status? How do you want to verify their status, Zeb?

According to what I've read about the AZ law, people will need to be able to prove their resident status, citizen, permanent resident etc.

We have a lot of work in Tucson, and I often go there with several fellow employees, two of which are Hispanic, one is second generation American, and other is third generation. They are more likely to be asked for their status than I am. And I'm the one carrying the green card. Ironic isn't it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You already have to piss in a cup for most jobs but when private interests invade your privacy it gives you a boner.

You know I have never, ever had to piss in a cup except when I was in the military and at my last job. Last job only because of the nature of the work I would be doing and the military makes everyone piss in a cup once a year. And I understand an employer wanting it's employee's to be drug free.

I personally don't want to work with someone who is using drugs, even in their free time. I also don't want to work with a drunk and alcohol is legal.

If you don't what to piss in the cup don't work for that employer. If you want to work piss in the cup. Simple as that.

Dolly Madison requires all their employee's to be smoke free after the first year of employment. If you're not, bye-bye. I'm sure they also what their employee's to be drug free and is a requirement for employment.

My guess is you are an illegal drug user.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

According to what I've read about the AZ law, people will need to be able to prove their resident status, citizen, permanent resident etc.

We have a lot of work in Tucson, and I often go there with several fellow employees, two of which are Hispanic, one is second generation American, and other is third generation. They are more likely to be asked for their status than I am. And I'm the one carrying the green card. Ironic isn't it.

First let me clear up some miss-understanding here...I am not against a National ID. I have to have some form of ID whether it's federally issued or state issued is not my concern.

Second I'd like to say what I originally posted was supposed to taken as humorous but I see this is a humorless crowd.

 

[D_K_Moon]

First let me clear up some miss-understanding here...I am not against a National ID. I have to have some form of ID whether it's federally issued or state issued is not my concern.

I don't have a problem with ID either. I always carry my Resident Alien card, and if I'm flying, I always have my Canadian passport.

My only issue is, what's the threshold for probable cause for the purpose of checking on resident status. Are we headed down the path to a police state?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I don't have a problem with ID either. I always carry my Resident Alien card, and if I'm flying, I always have my Canadian passport.

My only issue is, what's the threshold for probable cause for the purpose of checking on resident status. Are we headed down the path to a police state?

You should read up on Terry stops...

Terry stops -- what police call "stop, question and frisk" stops -- have been legal since 1968, so the Arizona law is perfectly constitutional.

Supreme Court's 1968 opinion in Terry v. Ohio

The police can stop you for whatever reason...just looking suspicious to them is reason enough.

 

[DeeZire]

...I personally don't want to work with someone who is using drugs, even in their free time. I also don't want to work with a drunk and alcohol is legal...

Wait a minute Zeb. A couple of days ago you were a libertarian. I thought libertarians have a live-and-let-live philosophy, but you're philosophy is exactly the opposite. You want everyone to live according to your personal values.

Dude, I'm afraid you're not qualified to be a libertarian. At this point, the Tea Baggers would seem to be your closest allies. I hope you're okay with that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We already have National ID, its called a social security card. Let SS take your picture and fingerprint you.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Wait a minute Zeb. A couple of days ago you were a libertarian. I thought libertarians have a live-and-let-live philosophy, but you're philosophy is exactly the opposite. You want everyone to live according to your personal values.

Dude, I'm afraid you're not qualified to be a libertarian. At this point, the Tea Baggers would seem to be your closest allies. I hope you're okay with that.

I did say that and for the most part I believe in the Libertarian philosophy "do unto others as you would have the do unto you". But, we live not in Utopia but in the real world and while I will not hinder my neighbor putting up a 40 foot metal tower to put his CB radio antenna on...I will expect him to get the proper permits the government requires.

I'm what you might call a rational libertarian I realize there are some functions that the current government performs that I think are necessary for the common good that the Libertarian party doesn't.

So no real contradiction was intended.

Let me ask this question of you...would you want a person who is a heavy drug user to swing that sledge hammer to try and hit the fence post you are holding? An alcoholic? It's just common sense. As long as you do me no harm do want you want. But if there is a possibility of you doing me harm then I feel I have a right to speak up about it.

As an employer, I also have a right not to hire drug users as they will eventually do my business harm.

Also, I'm a advocate against the "War on Drugs" it has been a tremendous waste of money and resources. I say legalize all drugs, tax their use and still allow employers to drug screen employees.

 

[sr71plt]

"do unto others as you would have the do unto you".

Have the what do unto you? I can quite understand why Libertarians don't want to fill in that blank.

They want to live and have a good time with someone else paying the bill.

 

[Netzach]

You know I have never, ever had to piss in a cup except when I was in the military and at my last job. Last job only because of the nature of the work I would be doing and the military makes everyone piss in a cup once a year. And I understand an employer wanting it's employee's to be drug free.

I personally don't want to work with someone who is using drugs, even in their free time. I also don't want to work with a drunk and alcohol is legal.

If you don't what to piss in the cup don't work for that employer. If you want to work piss in the cup. Simple as that.

Dolly Madison requires all their employee's to be smoke free after the first year of employment. If you're not, bye-bye. I'm sure they also what their employee's to be drug free and is a requirement for employment.

My guess is you are an illegal drug user.

Your guess could not be more humorously idiotically wrong, but that's fine. Go with the druggie socially assisted fantasy liberal thing if it works for you.

 

[Brute_Force]

This Arizona law would put us into the same category as the barbarians that took over Germany under Hitler. It all started out so simply, very much like this attempts to do. Hitler's Fascist ideology basically said--Everybody agrees we're in economic trouble. But we can take care of our economic problems by getting rid of the people who suck our resources dry. Those people are the mentally ill, elderly, and criminal. So, they started rounding them up in trucks and delivering them to the asylums. The families were happy to get rid of them and felt justified since all of Germany thought it good and right.

Soon afterward, the Reich decided that the best thing to do was, instead of feeding or housing these people, they should start euthanising them. Thus, they began sending gas trucks to these places and filling them full of patients and gassing them to death.

This is how it all began. One group of people marginalised and destroyed and everybody had a bit more stew in their pots. So, then came the big destruction. Let's boot all the Jews out and put 'em in labor camps--create a slave class. You can all have their property and stuff and their jobs and the economy goes up for you. The Germans agreed. Thus came the genocide of an entire race of people.

So, we start with the illegal immigrants in Arizona. Who's next? If you're too fat, you get the boot. If you're too thin, the boot. If you're old, the boot. Homo, the boot.

Unfucking believable and I want no part of a nation that stands behind this shit.

 

[DeeZire]

...

Let me ask this question of you...would you want a person who is a heavy drug user to swing that sledge hammer to try and hit the fence post you are holding? An alcoholic? It's just common sense. As long as you do me no harm do want you want. But if there is a possibility of you doing me harm then I feel I have a right to speak up about it.

As an employer, I also have a right not to hire drug users as they will eventually do my business harm.

Also, I'm a advocate against the "War on Drugs" it has been a tremendous waste of money and resources. I say legalize all drugs, tax their use and still allow employers to drug screen employees.

Earlier you said you didn't want to work with someone who only did drugs at home. The idea that having one puff off a joint after dinner is somehow going to affect you the next day is ludicrous, and yet that's what you're saying. And further, you're saying that employers have the right to dictate how a person spends their time off? Jesus, Zeb, what's the difference between a fascist employer and a fascist government? Do private sector fascists somehow get a free pass in your world?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This Arizona law would put us into the same category as the barbarians that took over Germany under Hitler. It all started out so simply, very much like this attempts to do. Hitler's Fascist ideology basically said--Everybody agrees we're in economic trouble. But we can take care of our economic problems by getting rid of the people who suck our resources dry. Those people are the mentally ill, elderly, and criminal. So, they started rounding them up in trucks and delivering them to the asylums. The families were happy to get rid of them and felt justified since all of Germany thought it good and right.

Soon afterward, the Reich decided that the best thing to do was, instead of feeding or housing these people, they should start euthanising them. Thus, they began sending gas trucks to these places and filling them full of patients and gassing them to death.

This is how it all began. One group of people marginalised and destroyed and everybody had a bit more stew in their pots. So, then came the big destruction. Let's boot all the Jews out and put 'em in labor camps--create a slave class. You can all have their property and stuff and their jobs and the economy goes up for you. The Germans agreed. Thus came the genocide of an entire race of people.

So, we start with the illegal immigrants in Arizona. Who's next? If you're too fat, you get the boot. If you're too thin, the boot. If you're old, the boot. Homo, the boot.

Unfucking believable and I want no part of a nation that stands behind this shit.

Your chronology is wrong.

First Hitler got rid of the socialists and communists; then he murdered many of his own officials, especially the brown shirts. He cleansed the military, then went to work on other German institutions. Jews were fired to open employment to Aryans, and they had to liquidate their assets to survive.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When youre creating a totalitarian regime you dont start off by eating the weakest victims, you sanitize your own house first then go after the most detested social villains.

If I were making America fascist I'd hang all the bankers and stock brokers first.

 

[Netzach]

Actually he started with retarded children and crazy people and old people.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Youre STILL CRAZY AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!