Democrats do not want open borders - stop lying

[SpeareChucker]

They have no direct or immediate impact on elections. Cultural innovations take a lot of time to develop any political implications, and some never do. What are the politics of rap?

Well, there's the mythology of "Hands up Don't Shoot" and the effect it had upon the population, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

So post-modernism didn't just pop up yesterday and it has had time to work itself into academic thought and through that to students, leaking out to several schools of political thought. Think of it. Socialism was such a dirty word that 'Fabian' Socialists in America decided to abandon it for the name Progressive, and then, with that labeled sullied, they coopted the label liberal. Currently emboldened, after turning the term Liberal into a dirty joke, they are now once again coming out as Progressives and Socialists because now, the American population will accept those labels.

This has been one of the goals of post-modernism.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then why don't vets use it?

Upsets the suburban weak sauce.

 

[Kirkrapine]

If you live in a delusional antiFa bubble.

I don't know any AntiFas, but I know enough old-fashioned fundie Florida Crackers to know that article is on the money.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Socialism was such a dirty word that 'Fabian' Socialists in America decided to abandon it for the name Progressive, and then, with that labeled sullied . . .

But it never was sullied, not even by Henry Wallace.

 

[SpeareChucker]

But it never was sullied, not even by Henry Wallace.

Then show me a Socialist or Socialist Party that ever gained any political traction in the US.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't know any AntiFas, but I know enough old-fashioned fundie Florida Crackers to know that article is on the money.

That's because you look at everything through the eyes of a radical leftist.

It's not on the money any more than the InfoWarz kids who write articles about the communist ninjas out to get grandma in the middle of the night.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But it never was sullied, not even by Henry Wallace.

Why do they run from it then only to come back and use it to hide from their proper label?

 

[Kirkrapine]

Then show me a Socialist or Socialist Party that ever gained any political traction in the US.

The Progressive Party did. It never won the WH but it did influence implementation of a lot of the Progressive Era reforms.

And actually, there was a time when the American Socialist Party was a national-scale player, and controlled several municipal governments, and the New Deal co-opted some of its agenda. You can read the very fascinating story in It Didn't Happen Here: Why Socialism Failed in the United States, by Lipset and Marks.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The Progressive Party did. It never won the WH but it did influence implementation of a lot of the Progressive Era reforms.

And actually, there was a time when the American Socialist Party was a national-scale player.

Can't disagree, even though you have clearly ceded the point.

What we can debate though is the good or harm these Socialists of another name achieved with their 'influence' such as the 'Progressive' income tax and the enactment of the 17th Amendment to the Constitution. Realize too, that this movement was a German one and everything horrible that followed from it.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Your edit is an extreme exaggeration, they were never a significant variant in America politics. Even the Libertarians of current day exercise more influence in our cultural and political thinking.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Why do they run from it then only to come back and use it to hide from their proper label?

News to me; I think the "progressive" label simply passed out of fashion after the Progressive Party folded, and then came back in the 1990s, the Pubs having demonized "liberal" -- but, the two words are not synonymous; "progressive" -- what in Europe would be called "social democratic" -- now represents something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist" -- and that is the sweet spot, exactly the direction America should go.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Uhhhh....


Why the hell would it pass out of fashion?

 

[Kirkrapine]

What we can debate though is the good or harm these Socialists of another name achieved with their 'influence' such as the 'Progressive' income tax . . .

Well, I should hope not even the most rabid RW here regrets that!

. . . and the enactment of the 17th Amendment to the Constitution.

You keep talking about that --and it appears to be an obscure and marginal issue even on the right and completely unheard of outside it -- but you have yet to present any at all persuasive arguments for letting the state legislatures elect the senators. That the senators are now elected instead by the "mob" is no argument at all.

Realize too, that this movement was a German one and everything horrible that followed from it.

How was the American Progressive Era German, and why does it matter? Our Interstate Highway System was also a German idea.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Uhhhh....


Why the hell would it pass out of fashion?

Because the party passed from the scene after Wallace's presidential bid in 1948. It's America, third parties come and they go.

 

[SpeareChucker]

If you want persuasive argument on the topic, I suggest you pick up a copy of The Federalist Papers.

 

[BotanyBoy]

News to me; I think the "progressive" label simply passed out of fashion after the Progressive Party folded,

There is no such thing as the Progressive Party.

It's never really existed in the US.

and then came back in the 1990s, the Pubs having demonized "liberal"

Pubs didn't.....socialistic (D)'s did by trying to call socialism liberalism.

Something they still try to do today to hide what they really are.

-- but, the two words are not synonymous; "progressive" -- what in Europe would be called "social democratic" -- now represents something well to the left of "liberal" and well to the right of "socialist" -- and that is the sweet spot, exactly the direction America should go.

It's not well to the right of socialist.....it's socialist in every way but technically, there is a "corp." sign out front or on the door instead of a "Department of ______" sign. Otherwise the government still got the means of production and the distribution of goods and services by the short n' curliez.

And it's already happening that people realize that's exactly what "social democrat" means.....socialism in every way but title, it's just another shade of lipstick on the same ol' pig.

That's how you ruined "liberal" and "progressive" .

"Social Democrat" won't last 10 years before it's among the other failed re-labeling.

And no...America shouldn't go there, social and economic oppression isn't what the USA is about.

 

[bigsly]

No one does. Stop the fucking lies.

Also, I'm totally for open boarders. I give no shits. I don't understand why this is an issue. Like... I have never understood why anyone would care.

Only 15 posts to totally prove the original fallacy. Impressive.

 

[Saint_Anne]

Of course they don't.

They don't want any more Asians or Cubans. All they want is uneducated low-skilled voters for their burgeoning dependent class. They're rather specific they only want to import voters from South of the Border. Because they are bigots they assume that no one in that group is ever going to become successful enough to become a Republican.

It's interesting how worried you are about the handful of Russians interfering with the election but completely confident that 20 million illegal aliens most of whom are dependent upon democrats for their largesse wouldn't possibly tip the balance.

You seem like a very stupid tranny who repeats stupid talking points given to you by fake news outlets.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The German Socialism and Statism that echoed though economics, the school system, the culture and culminated in a strong man.

 

[Saint_Anne]

Only 15 posts to totally prove the original fallacy. Impressive.

Good one ken/ ann.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Only 15 posts to totally prove the original fallacy. Impressive.

BND also thinks free market communism is a thing.....he's extra special.

 

[CandiCame]

Only 15 posts to totally prove the original fallacy. Impressive.

To be fair, I think he may have meant democratic politicians. And I've never heard for any of theme to advocate completely open boarders. I assume because they're candy-asses trying to appeal to moderates.

 

[CandiCame]

You seem like a very stupid tranny who repeats stupid talking points given to you by fake news outlets.

Yhall throw around the word "tranny" so much it's like you think it's an insult.

It's like the middle school kids who call things "gay" and then don't know what to do when cute guys make their dicks hard. You could save yourself the trouble if you came up with something that was ACTUALLY a negative thing to be.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

They'd be happy without any borders whatsoever. They are not traditional Americans. They don't think like them, or act like them. They are the weak link to the future of American success.

Wrong

Stop the lies.

 

[Rightguide]

BotanyBoy has completely destroyed the premise of this thread and the credibility of BoreNextDoor.

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=89889136&postcount=76