Democracy in America ends on Tuesday.

[Philthy_Phil]

It was fun to watch while it lasted.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ymzw74

 

[KeithD]

I'll believe it when it happens. I can't imagine the majority of voters not just deep-sixing the Republicans this time as egregious as they have become. And, since conducting massive lying campaigns is part of what they're doing, I'll leave open the possibility that all of this "trending Republican" is just their fake propaganda blitz until/unless it actually happens. If America's women allow themselves to be disenfranchised as the Republicans are trying to do when they have the numbers to prevent it, that's on them.

 

[ll74]

I appreciate that many believe we are at that point. I'm not one.

I find it stupid that both parties seem to believe the only way forward is somehow to tear the system down.

Pack the courts, change the rules or overturn the election results.

Maybe I'm naive, but I would prefer that we work with the system we have and find consensus and compromise on issues. I'll keep working towards that end rather than tearing it down.

 

[icanhelp1]

I appreciate that many believe we are at that point. I'm not one.

I find it stupid that both parties seem to believe the only way forward is somehow to tear the system down.

Pack the courts, change the rules or overturn the election results.

Maybe I'm naive, but I would prefer that we work with the system we have and find consensus and compromise on issues. I'll keep working towards that end rather than tearing it down.

Republicans and conservatives don’t want to tear down the system ; democrats do!

 

[ll74]

Republicans and conservatives don’t want to tear down the system ; democrats do!

Lol, sure they don't keep telling yourself that

 

[KeithD]

Pack the courts,

Just a point of order that this "pack the courts" idea is just another Republican lie. No one in the Democratic Party has made an actual move to pack the courts. In contrast, many Republicans have openly attacked the election process. Much of this "the Republicans are pulling ahead in the vote" is just the already-used Republican set up for denying election results if the results don't go the Republicans' way. They are doing this right out in the open.

 

[ll74]

Just a point of order that this "pack the courts" idea is just another Republican lie. No one in the Democratic Party has made an actual move to pack the courts. In contrast, many Republicans have openly attacked the election process. Much of this "the Republicans are pulling ahead in the vote" is just the already-used Republican set up for denying election results if the results don't go the Republicans' way. They are doing this right out in the open.

I'm talking about voters and pundits, not representatives.

I've heard many pundits suggest that Democrats increase the number of justices on SCOTUS. That is not a Republican lie.

I expected the "not my party, their party" rhetoric and you guys haven't disappointed

 

[LupusDei]

Maybe I'm naive, but I would prefer that we work with the system we have and find consensus and compromise on issues. I'll keep working towards that end rather than tearing it down.

Problem is, that assume opponent that argue in good faith, is willing to compromise and accept the outcome.

Your current opposition does none of those. Instead, they have adopted the Russian playbook where win-win outcome is seen as a defeat but bad-worse is preferred over that as a victory, promises are given to be broken and no compromise is ever final, but a step in ongoing advance over "weakness" of the negotiating party and so on.

 

[ll74]

Problem is, that assume opponent that argue in good faith, is willing to compromise and accept the outcome.

Your current opposition does none of those. Instead, they have adopted the Russian playbook where win-win outcome is seen as a defeat but bad-worse is preferred over that, promises are given to be broken and no compromise is ever final, but a step in ongoing advance over "weakness" of the negotiating party and so on.

Yes, I'm familiar with the - "I need to cheat be cause the other guy....." Argument.

If your position is to skip the system because a dishonest opponent makes.you do it....I can't agree. Adding Russia as an example doesn't make it any more compelling to me

 

[LupusDei]

Yes, I'm familiar with the - "I need to cheat be cause the other guy....." Argument.

If your position is to skip the system because a dishonest opponent makes.you do it....I can't agree. Adding Russia as an example doesn't make it any more compelling to me

You perhaps misunderstood me. "Russia" is the goal. That's what they are building. Indeed, cheating would only help them to break the system down, but that's not what I'm saying. I say, you can't compromise with them, it doesn't work. They will double down, and cheat (assuming in advance you would too). Any cooperation with them will only benefit them -- so don't.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Democracy is alive and well in America. Voters are very focused on the elections. Lots of big crowds are showing up at candidate events and reports on early voting numbers look really good.

 

[KeithD]

I'm talking about voters and pundits, not representatives.

I've heard many pundits suggest that Democrats increase the number of justices on SCOTUS. That is not a Republican lie.

I expected the "not my party, their party" rhetoric and you guys haven't disappointed

Apples and kumquats. The packed court issue hasn't gone beyond stated opinion. The election denial is rampant in fact. These are not equal. Only Republican propaganda make them so--which apparently worked with you.

If Republican propaganda is able to establish even the false sense of "both sides do it," they have established position. This isn't what is happening. The Republicans are supporting domestic terrorism and sedition. The Democrats are not. That is the truth of the matter and should be enough for any voter who wants to preserve the nation to know when he/she goes to the polls on Tuesday.

 

[ll74]

Apples and kumquats. The packed court issue hasn't gone beyond stated opinion. The election denial is rampant in fact. These are not equal. Only Republican propaganda make them so--which apparently worked with you.

Lol...sure thing dude. Whatever works for ya

You and Icantelp1 can fight over why I'm wrong.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Republicans and conservatives don’t want to tear down the system ; democrats do!

I guess one way to go about your life is to be ignora

Democracy is alive and well in America. Voters are very focused on the elections. Lots of big crowds are showing up at candidate events and reports on early voting numbers look really good.

People walked out while Trump was speaking at the Dr Oz rally yesterday.

 

[lc69hunter]

Both sides have been spouting the fears all election season, because fear makes voters pliable. The fact is that divided government is a preferable outcome to any election, as it saves us from the excesses of both parties. I am voting primarily Republican at the Federal Level, as we need divided government there, to mitigate the President's Agenda.

At the State level, I am selectively voting Democrat, again, to mitigate the misogynistic impulses of the Republican Legislature, who would like to ban abortion from the date of conception.

 

[KeithD]

Lol...sure thing dude. Whatever works for ya

You and Icantelp1 can fight over why I'm wrong.

Dance around it or not. You equated what is happening with the packed court issue with what is happening with the election denial issue. Either own that or not. Acting wounded doesn't get you anywhere. Equating them is right out of the Republican campaign book.

 

[ll74]

Dance around it or not. You equated what is happening with the packed court issue with what is happening with the election denial issue. Either own that or not. Acting wounded doesn't get you anywhere. Equating them is right out of the Republican campaign book.

I did not do that actually.

I own exactly what I said. Sorry you didn't read

 

[KeithD]

Both sides have been spouting the fears all election season, because fear makes voters pliable. The fact is that divided government is a preferable outcome to any election, as it saves us from the excesses of both parties. I am voting primarily Republican at the Federal Level, as we need divided government there, to mitigate the President's Agenda.

At the State level, I am selectively voting Democrat, again, to mitigate the misogynistic impulses of the Republican Legislature, who would like to ban abortion from the date of conception.

The Republicans on the federal level have stated banning abortion from the date of conception as a program goal too--along with rolling back bunches of citizen-support measures the Democrats have managed to deliver. I don't find your reasoning reasonable.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The Republicans on the federal level have stated banning abortion from the date of conception as a program goal too--along with rolling back bunches of citizen-support measures the Democrats have managed to deliver. I don't find your reasoning reasonable.

Are you sure? Can you share a link? I have not seen anything from the RNC or party leaders McCarthy and McConnell calling for a national ban on abortion from the date of conception. All I’ve seen is a proposal from Lindsey Graham calling for a ban after 15 weeks with exceptions for rape, health of the mother and incest. Even that one isn’t getting traction among Republicans in the Senate.

 

[LupusDei]

Both sides have been spouting the fears all election season, because fear makes voters pliable. The fact is that divided government is a preferable outcome to any election, as it saves us from the excesses of both parties. I am voting primarily Republican at the Federal Level, as we need divided government there, to mitigate the President's Agenda.

It might have been wise strategy at better times (even if I would still say disputable), but after the capture of one of parties by the global neo-feudalists it's outright dumb. You are on a path to "managed democracy".

Read this:
https://davetroy.medium.com/no-elon-and-jack-are-not-competitors-theyre-collaborating-3e88cde5267d

 

[Rainblow]

It was fun to watch while it lasted.

Behavioural sink.

I guess one way to go about your life is to be ignora

People walked out while Trump was speaking at the Dr. Oz rally yesterday.

That's just one small example of the baffling, yet amusing, absurdity of American politics. Was the rally Oprah approved?

 

[KeithD]

Was the rally Oprah approved?

Hardly, since Oprah has endorsed Fetterman.

 

[Dribble]

Democrats get what they deserve. The Party is without direction. Reactive instead of proactive. I have been pointing out the issues for well over 5 years...and it falls on deaf ears...because they know better. Better to have the Republican Party destroy the country than the Democratic Party.

 

[Chobham]

Are the democrats going to revolt? Blue states secede?

It's all nothing more than electioneering, but there will be consequences.