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[JackLuis]

'Politically it's suicidal': Frustration grows as Biden entertains narrower eligibility for $1,400 checks

A growing chorus of progressive lawmakers, advocacy groups, political commentators, and policy experts is forcefully pushing back against an effort by Senate Democrats to significantly narrow eligibility for a new round of $1,400 direct payments, a move that could deny financial relief to struggling families who received both of the stimulus checks approved during Trump's presidency.

Ignoring warnings that excluding millions of people from the full $1,400 would be politically disastrous—as well as morally unacceptable and economically foolish—President Joe Biden said this week that he would be "OK with" lowering the annual income cutoff for the checks. Biden discussed limiting eligibility for the payments with Sens. Chris Coons (D-Del.) and Tom Carper (D-Del.) at the White House on Wednesday.

"Try explaining to the millions who will end up with less why this was done, why White House economists sided with the Chamber of Commerce and the president decided to break a campaign promise while attracting no Republican support for his plan."
—David Dayen, The American Prospect

Biden hasn't even gone a full month in office and he is ready to roll over!

Goodbye 2022!

 

[KeithD]

See you're still an "all or nothing" kinda guy. If it's found that the votes just aren't there now, you're all for just throwing a bomb and getting nothing. Like a good Bernie bro.

 

[ishtat]

Biden hasn't even gone a full month in office and he is ready to roll over!

Jack. Politics in Opposition is about what you believe and getting elected. Politics in Power is about getting things done. Both circumstances require an ability to count.

Senator Manchin D. from W.Virginia, doesn't like the higher amount so Harris's casting vote won't even come into play. Biden's offer is skillfully pitched, too much for the GOP to accept so he can berate their meanness to the middle and working class for the next 2 years. There is likely to be some movement on the income cut off points as well.

 

[jaF0]

Personally, I think $50K is too high.

But I've also said I might have gone along with a restriction to those who were directly affected -- only those who lost jobs or hours due to mandated store/business closing.

I was not affected, but I'll take the money if they send it.

 

[LupusDei]

I read some analysis claiming 80% of the stimulus money would actually go into savings. (No link at this time, sorry, just laziness.)

 

[CornusKousa]

I read some analysis claiming 80% of the stimulus money would actually go into savings. (No link at this time, sorry, just laziness.)

Yea, that many American's don't have that kind of financial discipline.

80% will burn that shit the week they get it.

 

[JackLuis]

I knew I was going to take flack for this thread when I posted it.

Yeah, I see Joe's problems and his position on financial levels. It is true that the lower paid folks need help more than the $150,000 classes, but Joe never said he was going to do that when he was boosting the $2,000 payment.

Sure he can rollover to hold his conference, Manchin is a conservative Dem. I read his WIki and found out he and I share some opinions, except his Coal positions primarily.

Old Handsome Joe needs to lead his people and getting Manchin on board with some progressive programs needs to be his focus.

My point (from the OP article is:

Shannon Stagman, co-lead organizer of Empire State Indivisible, said Wednesday that the $50,000 income threshold Senate Democrats are weighing is "comically low" and the party "should be ashamed of suggesting it."

"This doesn't even comport with their own argument about these checks," Stagman added. "If the $1,400 check is the second in a two-part payment, you can't change the terms before you deliver it."

$50,000 isn't much these days and after the Trump Virus disaster, pumping money into the economy is paramount. Even if it goes to savings. For myself it will go to paying my property taxes. Which have gone up 100% in the last five years!

 

[LupusDei]

80% will burn that shit the week they get it.

Well, the twist is, that's what's hoped for, actually, at this time.

Well, maybe not in a week, but a month or two would be great, and ideally spend in a way that makes a few bounces around.

 

[KeithD]

Well, the twist is, that's what's hoped for, actually, at this time.

Well, maybe not in a week, but a month or two would be great, and ideally spend in a way that makes a few bounces around.

Yeah, getting something for it but folding it right back into the economy is sort of the desired result.

As with the others, anything I get is going right into direct-help organizations--ones with low or no sustaining overhead. Franklin Graham and his money pits can such eggs.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Now they can get their hair and nails done.

 

[JackLuis]

Do Not Be The Guy Who Promised The Checks And Then Did Not Give The Checks, What Are You, New?

The Senate voted early this morning to pass a budget bill that will eventually become Joe Biden's $1.9 trillion economic stimulus/COVID relief plan. The vote is one more step in the weird process of passing the plan through "budget reconciliation," which allows a bill to pass with a simple majority, avoiding a filibuster by Republicans. Now the real work of writing the details of the plan will go to House and Senate committees, to be passed hopefully by early March, before extended unemployment benefits from the last stimulus expire.

This week, President Joe Biden has said that he's open to making some changes to one part of the stimulus plan, the $1,400 individual payments to Americans. He said in talks with senior Democrats that while he won't budge on the dollar amount of the checks, he might be willing to more narrowly target who would get them, to satisfy calls from some that the checks should be targeted to help those "most in need," the Washington Post reports.

The far bigger problem, though, is the assumption that we should only be using stimulus payments to help out those who are in the most desperate straits, and that folks who are just above the level of financial ruin won't need help. (That ought to be a familiar head-shaker to people who make just enough to not get any insurance premium subsidies with Obamacare, too.) Maybe people with slightly higher incomes won't spend their stimmy checks immediately, but that doesn't mean they don't need the help or won't get that money into the economy:

Remember that the checks in the study came in at the beginning of the month. By the end of the month, those higher-income households might need that money to pay bills, or buy durable goods. Or maybe they drew down savings to cover for lost income during the pandemic, and now they're building it back up. Would that be a "waste," to allow people to accumulate emergency funds? Would it be a waste to allow families to pay down debt? The fact that these households don't spend the very moment they receive a check says nothing about whether or not it's good policy.

 

[JackLuis]

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[KeithD]

That's you, Jack. Only recognizing two extreme-end choices, and thus deciding on doing nothing but complaining.

 

[Dribble]

More than 2/3's of Americans support the Democrat version of the covid relief bill. For our small brained friends....that is over 66.67%. Better than doing nothing like the Republicans have done...we all know they like having 4 fingers up their ass and trying to figure out how to get their thumb in.

 

[BluesDriver66]

See you're still an "all or nothing" kinda guy. If it's found that the votes just aren't there now, you're all for just throwing a bomb and getting nothing. Like a good Bernie bro.

The clarion call of do nothing Democrats, "We don't have the votes!".

Note to Democrats: That's your fucking job. Getting votes. If you're not getting votes you're not doing your fucking job.

Lying to voters then simply saying "We don't have the votes" is pure bullshit.


Biden’s Final Pitch To Georgia: Vote Blue And $2,000 Checks Will ‘Go Out The Door Immediately’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbr...-go-out-the-door-immediately/?sh=2f6347db744d


What a fucking liar!

 

[Lazaran]

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Um.....

Negotiating on who should qualify for the stimulus checks is totally reasonable.

However, Democrats initial proposal on who should get the checks was pretty reasonable to begin with.

Individuals making $75,000 or less and married couples making $150,000 or less sounds about right to me. But if it took a reduction to individuals making $50,000 or less and couples making $100,000 or less to pass the relief package and get some bipartisan buy-in, while giving moderate democrats cover, then I would be fine with it.

A reasonable compromise would also be a big FU to right and left wing extremists, which makes it even more appealing.

 

[KeithD]

The clarion call of do nothing Democrats, "We don't have the votes!".

They don't have enough votes to do it all. They have enough votes to squeeze your knickers around your little neck and make you squeal.

 

[BluesDriver66]

They don't have enough votes to do it all. They have enough votes to squeeze your knickers around your little neck and make you squeal.

They lie to voters like it's nothing to them. If they didn't have the votes why are they lying to the voters about it? That kind of low moral character is what defines Biden, his politics, and by extension the Democratic party. Dirty, filthy, liars who will say anything to win then immediately turn around and shit on the very same people who just got them elected.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Biden threw shade on the $15 minimum wage provision today.

 

[magicalmoments]

Renig?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The reality that we are discussing if Jay-Z gets 2k that he won't even notice (or if he's a good guy like Snoop Dog and some Denny's Waiter(ress) gets one helluva tip when we millions of Americans are suffering is silly.

 

[Veroe]

I was afraid of this. We need a fighter and that aint Joe or any of the establishment Democrats. The only thing he knows is compromise. He reveres doing it even as the height of nobility and practicality. He doesn't know how to go to war for anything and that's why he and the democrats will lose in 2022.

 

[KeithD]

I was afraid of this. We need a fighter and that aint Joe or any of the establishment Democrats. The only thing he knows is compromise. He reveres doing it even as the height of nobility and practicality. He doesn't know how to go to war for anything and that's why he and the democrats will lose in 2022.

Good, God, this hasn't been done yet and Biden is pretty much holding his ground. Considering targeting it to those really needing it isn't unreasonable, even from the positions Biden has taken. Give these people a chance and stop being so negative Jack-like picky. The administration can only do what it can get the votes to do, which, in this, means as far as they can push Manchin. If the electorate had provided more Democratic senators, there would be more room to maneuver.

 

[Veroe]

Good, God, this hasn't been done yet and Biden is pretty much holding his ground. Considering targeting it to those really needing it isn't unreasonable, even from the positions Biden has taken. Give these people a chance and stop being so negative Jack-like picky. The administration can only do what it can get the votes to do, which, in this, means as far as they can push Manchin. If the electorate had provided more Democratic senators, there would be more room to maneuver.

Thank you for proving the mentality of compromise I was complaining about.
Also thanks for blaming the voters for the administrations willingness to give up on a tough fight. If he needs the votes he should use every lever he can buy borrow or steal in the senate and congress to get the votes. That's how you fight.

 

[KeithD]

Thank you for proving the mentality of compromise I was complaining about.
Also thanks for blaming the voters for the administrations willingness to give up on a tough fight. If he needs the votes he should use every lever he can buy borrow or steal in the senate and congress to get the votes. That's how you fight.

It's your problem if you have no idea how government works.

And, as I posted, the administration hasn't given up any fight yet--again evidence that you are naively clueless on how work gets done in government. Absolutely clueless and worthless in a fight, I might add.

And, yes, it is the voters' responsibility for voting senators and representatives in. Again, you seem to have zero idea who does what in government.