Defining Moments
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I would say my development of a political ideology was quite gradual. When I was younger (not that I'm that old), I used to be much more conservative. Where did I get it from? My parents are Democrats. *shrug*
I can't even pinpoint causes of my Democratism (?). I know when I visited Mexico when I was in high school I developed a great sympathy for the poor there, and suddenly understood why there were so many illegal immigrants in my area. They weren't trying to "mooch off the government" or "steal jobs". They just wanted better lives for themselves.
I seriously don't think becoming an atheist influenced my decision to become a Democrat. I was an atheist first, and a Democrat second, and they were totally unrelated. Later, I realized that being on the opposite political side of the religious fundamentalists only reinforced my leftist stance.
So there you are. Basically...I had no defining moments, and therefore am just rambling.
I can't even pinpoint causes of my Democratism (?). I know when I visited Mexico when I was in high school I developed a great sympathy for the poor there, and suddenly understood why there were so many illegal immigrants in my area. They weren't trying to "mooch off the government" or "steal jobs". They just wanted better lives for themselves.
I seriously don't think becoming an atheist influenced my decision to become a Democrat. I was an atheist first, and a Democrat second, and they were totally unrelated. Later, I realized that being on the opposite political side of the religious fundamentalists only reinforced my leftist stance.
So there you are. Basically...I had no defining moments, and therefore am just rambling.
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Well...several things has influnenced me
1.My upbringing in our quasi-racist society for one,I cannot and will not vote for a someone who even has a vague racist record or agenda.
2.The society my culture originates from gives new meaning to the term "conservative"...I am shunned by fellow Muslims because I don't subscribe to the ideas of controling women,or to the ideas of a Jihad{Holy war} against anyone who disagrees with me.
3.I am an artist,Conservatives usually seem to want us to toe a line,that they define,and the rules they have change according to which religious belief is dominat at the time.
4.My utter disdain for religious fanatisim.
5.I believe that everyone has some value,and that all of us need some help at times,but the Rep attitude that if you cannot make enough to live or feed your family,then you don't deserve to be alive.I can't deal with that.
6.I generally do and don't support the state of Israel,But I DO NOT believe we should give the Isrealis money,so they may shoot children who toss rocks at em in the West Bank.As a rule BOTH parties have supported the Israelis,but with the Rep party dominated by the religious fanatics as it is right now,I know that fellow Muslims will get the short end of the stick.Dems seem to want some personal responsibility from the Isrealis,Rep dont really,or at least it seems that way.
And I have some other reasons....maybe another day..
Okiedokie....I have no doubt I will get some crud for my beliefs now.
CH
1.My upbringing in our quasi-racist society for one,I cannot and will not vote for a someone who even has a vague racist record or agenda.
2.The society my culture originates from gives new meaning to the term "conservative"...I am shunned by fellow Muslims because I don't subscribe to the ideas of controling women,or to the ideas of a Jihad{Holy war} against anyone who disagrees with me.
3.I am an artist,Conservatives usually seem to want us to toe a line,that they define,and the rules they have change according to which religious belief is dominat at the time.
4.My utter disdain for religious fanatisim.
5.I believe that everyone has some value,and that all of us need some help at times,but the Rep attitude that if you cannot make enough to live or feed your family,then you don't deserve to be alive.I can't deal with that.
6.I generally do and don't support the state of Israel,But I DO NOT believe we should give the Isrealis money,so they may shoot children who toss rocks at em in the West Bank.As a rule BOTH parties have supported the Israelis,but with the Rep party dominated by the religious fanatics as it is right now,I know that fellow Muslims will get the short end of the stick.Dems seem to want some personal responsibility from the Isrealis,Rep dont really,or at least it seems that way.
And I have some other reasons....maybe another day..
Okiedokie....I have no doubt I will get some crud for my beliefs now.
CH
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When I realized that anytime a politician's lips are moving, he's lying.
When my draft lottery number was 12.
When I worked my ass off and was rewarded with a five figure bonus, and 40% of the gross amount was deducted for taxes.
Mother-fuckers.
When my draft lottery number was 12.
When I worked my ass off and was rewarded with a five figure bonus, and 40% of the gross amount was deducted for taxes.
Mother-fuckers.
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When I picked up a gun, pulled the trigger, and realized that not only did I not kill anyone, but putting holes in paper at a 100 yards is fun.
When I found out my mother couldn't come up with the pesos to abort me.
When the StudMuffin went to war and came back as someone else who had supposedly been a "cook," contracted Gulf War Syndrome and has had screaming nightmares nearly every night for the last 10 years.
When Clinton signed a bill that made it impossible for the VA to actually help veterans file their claims against the government, even thought that was their job.
When I found out why the Vietnam war started in the first place.
When I found out what "acceptable casualties" meant.
I love Alaska for it's untouched lands and I wish that there was a place like that in every state in the Union. I'm strongly for the environment.
My issues are the environment, foreign policy I want a conservative one, military handling I am pro military, abortion I am pro-life, and domestically I am for a weaker central government and stronger state governments. Believe it or not, gun control doesn't bother me. The FBI already has a two inch thick file on me so what do I care if they know the makes, models and serial numbers of any weapons I own? I have no trouble registering them, even though NRA freaks at the though, just like I do my car. I do have trouble when someone says I can't own an object simply because of what might happen with it and because criminal persons have used similar objects to kill people.
I don't vote party, though the GOP agrees with me more often than anyone else.
I'm not debating my politics with anyone, so don't bug me on it.
When I found out my mother couldn't come up with the pesos to abort me.
When the StudMuffin went to war and came back as someone else who had supposedly been a "cook," contracted Gulf War Syndrome and has had screaming nightmares nearly every night for the last 10 years.
When Clinton signed a bill that made it impossible for the VA to actually help veterans file their claims against the government, even thought that was their job.
When I found out why the Vietnam war started in the first place.
When I found out what "acceptable casualties" meant.
I love Alaska for it's untouched lands and I wish that there was a place like that in every state in the Union. I'm strongly for the environment.
My issues are the environment, foreign policy I want a conservative one, military handling I am pro military, abortion I am pro-life, and domestically I am for a weaker central government and stronger state governments. Believe it or not, gun control doesn't bother me. The FBI already has a two inch thick file on me so what do I care if they know the makes, models and serial numbers of any weapons I own? I have no trouble registering them, even though NRA freaks at the though, just like I do my car. I do have trouble when someone says I can't own an object simply because of what might happen with it and because criminal persons have used similar objects to kill people.
I don't vote party, though the GOP agrees with me more often than anyone else.
I'm not debating my politics with anyone, so don't bug me on it.
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Killer Muffin:
"I'm not debating my politics with anyone, so don't bug me on it."
I'm sorry about this Killer but you're wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Shooting holes in paper representations of human beings isn't fun. Shooting well shaken full liters of Coke is.
Only you conservative feminists would be so confused on a vital issue like that.
"I'm not debating my politics with anyone, so don't bug me on it."
I'm sorry about this Killer but you're wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Shooting holes in paper representations of human beings isn't fun. Shooting well shaken full liters of Coke is.
Only you conservative feminists would be so confused on a vital issue like that.
KillerMuffin
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Paper representations of human beings? It's a two foot by two foot white sheet of paper with black circles on it. I see no human beings on the range except the ones safely behind a barrier with the firearms just like me. I shoot at a range and no place else, don't want to accidentally shoot anyone who might be out enjoying a walk in the woods, nor do I hunt.
Dillinger
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My ideology is MY ideology - but it hasn't always been that way. I was brought up in a very liberal household - my parents were slightly left of moderate Democrats (which meant a bit more in the 50's and 60's then it does now). The religion I was brought up on was Evolution. This certainly shaped my beliefs as I grew up.
I remember the Kennedy assassination more for how it affected my parents then how it directly affected me. I was 6 at the time, after all. I remember staying up much of the night watching the news with them. That might have been my first awareness of politics.
Then Medgar Evans - Robert Kennedy - Malcom X - Martin Luther King... Civil Rights - a growing awareness as I became a teenager that all was not right with the world - all was not right with Amerikkka (I did say I was a radical at one point?) (I highly recommed reading Malcolm X's autobiography - its excellent. Also Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice" is an eye opening read.)
Then... Kent State. The Chicago 7. The police beating innocents at the Democratic convention in Chicago. The Yippies and Yipster times (at that time I held the belief that if one wanted to know the truth on the issues of the day that the TRUTH lay somewhere between what the Yipster Times and the New York Times reported). The free press.
By the time I hit college I leaned heavily to the left and explored many different ideologies with curiosity and healthy skepticism. Our own democracy. Communism. Socialism. (At the time I new nothing of Libertarianism - and not as defined by the Libertarian Party but rather true free market Libertarianism).
I got more and more involved in leftist politics. I was in the middle of a "riot" in the small college town I lived in. I saw police randomly beat innocent people - I myself was chased by a cop swinging a billy club. I ended up testifying against them at a Grand Jury hearing and I was followed and harrassed by the police during that time. I spent some time in locked up at the local police station on various occasions.
I knew Abbie Hoffman - Jerry Rubin. I slept several times on the floor of the Yipster Times in Greenwich Village. I got involved in student politics representing my college on the statewide council - meeting with the Governor (New York). Did a semester in Albany lobbying and working with various groups. Even though my degree is in Music I ended up minoring in Political Science (bet that surprises a few of you who might be aware that I usually avoid political threads).
How can things like this NOT affect someone? We see what is in our immediate world. It affects us more than what we read about or see on the news. But as the years went on and I travelled more I saw different places, styles of living, belief systems. The more you learn, discover, explore the more you can put things in perspective.
That's my early upbringing followed by a period of political apathy where I focused more on "spiritual" matters... Interesting how that can change one's perspective on oneself and the world - the universe. My beliefs are no secret. I learned much about Zen, Egyptian Magick, Paganism and many other belief systems. This is NOT off the subject. It affects who I am and my entire outlook on life - including my political affiliations. You learn balance. I learned that it all starts with the self. And that no one and nothing is beyond questioning. No one holds all the answers - no one is completely right on all issues AND therefore no one political belief system or party holds all the answers or is right on all issues.
In general - these days - I still lean more towards the Democrats than the Republicans. Though in certain areas I think the Republicans are more on target. I do think that both parties are mostly fucked up and therefore I am registered as an Independent. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes Republican, sometimes Libertarian, sometimes "other". Depending on the particular position being filled sometimes I do vote based on issues. There have been some instances where both Democrat and Republican candidates were equally good (or equally inept) and the deciding factor was whether or not they were pro-choice or not. Pro-choice gets my vote. But there are also instances where the job being filled has actually no influence on various issues - such as Pro-choice - so it doesn't matter what they believe in that particular case.
What it comes down to is I try to think for myself and vote my beliefs and conscience. Anyone who always votes Republican or Democrat is taking the easy way out, as far as I'm concerned. They're letting other's think for them rather than spend the time and effort to make their own decision about what's right and wrong and who is the better candidate. We all know there have been deplorable elected officials of both parties AND there have been honorable people in both parties who were truly trying to do their best.
No one has all the answers. No party or political system is right on all matters.
My litmus test is to be faithful to who I am and what I believe in.
I remember the Kennedy assassination more for how it affected my parents then how it directly affected me. I was 6 at the time, after all. I remember staying up much of the night watching the news with them. That might have been my first awareness of politics.
Then Medgar Evans - Robert Kennedy - Malcom X - Martin Luther King... Civil Rights - a growing awareness as I became a teenager that all was not right with the world - all was not right with Amerikkka (I did say I was a radical at one point?) (I highly recommed reading Malcolm X's autobiography - its excellent. Also Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice" is an eye opening read.)
Then... Kent State. The Chicago 7. The police beating innocents at the Democratic convention in Chicago. The Yippies and Yipster times (at that time I held the belief that if one wanted to know the truth on the issues of the day that the TRUTH lay somewhere between what the Yipster Times and the New York Times reported). The free press.
By the time I hit college I leaned heavily to the left and explored many different ideologies with curiosity and healthy skepticism. Our own democracy. Communism. Socialism. (At the time I new nothing of Libertarianism - and not as defined by the Libertarian Party but rather true free market Libertarianism).
I got more and more involved in leftist politics. I was in the middle of a "riot" in the small college town I lived in. I saw police randomly beat innocent people - I myself was chased by a cop swinging a billy club. I ended up testifying against them at a Grand Jury hearing and I was followed and harrassed by the police during that time. I spent some time in locked up at the local police station on various occasions.
I knew Abbie Hoffman - Jerry Rubin. I slept several times on the floor of the Yipster Times in Greenwich Village. I got involved in student politics representing my college on the statewide council - meeting with the Governor (New York). Did a semester in Albany lobbying and working with various groups. Even though my degree is in Music I ended up minoring in Political Science (bet that surprises a few of you who might be aware that I usually avoid political threads).
How can things like this NOT affect someone? We see what is in our immediate world. It affects us more than what we read about or see on the news. But as the years went on and I travelled more I saw different places, styles of living, belief systems. The more you learn, discover, explore the more you can put things in perspective.
That's my early upbringing followed by a period of political apathy where I focused more on "spiritual" matters... Interesting how that can change one's perspective on oneself and the world - the universe. My beliefs are no secret. I learned much about Zen, Egyptian Magick, Paganism and many other belief systems. This is NOT off the subject. It affects who I am and my entire outlook on life - including my political affiliations. You learn balance. I learned that it all starts with the self. And that no one and nothing is beyond questioning. No one holds all the answers - no one is completely right on all issues AND therefore no one political belief system or party holds all the answers or is right on all issues.
In general - these days - I still lean more towards the Democrats than the Republicans. Though in certain areas I think the Republicans are more on target. I do think that both parties are mostly fucked up and therefore I am registered as an Independent. Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes Republican, sometimes Libertarian, sometimes "other". Depending on the particular position being filled sometimes I do vote based on issues. There have been some instances where both Democrat and Republican candidates were equally good (or equally inept) and the deciding factor was whether or not they were pro-choice or not. Pro-choice gets my vote. But there are also instances where the job being filled has actually no influence on various issues - such as Pro-choice - so it doesn't matter what they believe in that particular case.
What it comes down to is I try to think for myself and vote my beliefs and conscience. Anyone who always votes Republican or Democrat is taking the easy way out, as far as I'm concerned. They're letting other's think for them rather than spend the time and effort to make their own decision about what's right and wrong and who is the better candidate. We all know there have been deplorable elected officials of both parties AND there have been honorable people in both parties who were truly trying to do their best.
No one has all the answers. No party or political system is right on all matters.
My litmus test is to be faithful to who I am and what I believe in.
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Fred Hampton's murder
Though everyone else has, I've never forgotten the assassination in his bed by the FBI and the Chicago Police of Fred Hampton, a Black Panther leader. It proved something the New Left was saying: That they government will come and kill you if you sufficiently threaten it. He did; they did, and they drove thumb tacks into his door to make it look like he fired a shotgun first. They got away with it, too. A lesson I never forgot in my youth, and it applies to the poor suckers at WACO, too. We can fuck with them all we want, but if we FUCK with them, watch out!
Dillinger, I loved your post. Way thoughtful & human.
Though everyone else has, I've never forgotten the assassination in his bed by the FBI and the Chicago Police of Fred Hampton, a Black Panther leader. It proved something the New Left was saying: That they government will come and kill you if you sufficiently threaten it. He did; they did, and they drove thumb tacks into his door to make it look like he fired a shotgun first. They got away with it, too. A lesson I never forgot in my youth, and it applies to the poor suckers at WACO, too. We can fuck with them all we want, but if we FUCK with them, watch out!
Dillinger, I loved your post. Way thoughtful & human.
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hehehehe
Dillinger's spelling was TOO human....
Dillinger's spelling was TOO human....
Markov Cain
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Defining moments – uhmmm…
I was raised in a Democratic household in a Democratic stronghold.
Sided with the leftists anarchists and those shot dead a Kent State like a lot of you whom have answered.
Believed in sex, drugs, rock & roll 100%.
Ended up with minor STD’s.
Destroyed my brain.
Hearing is shot.
Firmly believe Dr. Peter Duesburg that aids is an administrative disease which lets people off the hook for self-destructive behaviors.
No one event, just capital accumulation and the increasing militancy of the people who we were supposed to be helping. Tired of being beat up over my race. Now hate being beat up over being wealthy.
Got tired of a party that only wanted to make excuses for its constituency.
Don’t think the Republicans are that great either.
I believe government has grown increasingly obtrusive into the average life.
I think most of the Green movement suckers in concerned people to a completely communist agenda.
I do not like the idea of mob rule and even less of letting the people getting handouts voting.
I do not like the fact that we have gone from Voltaire’s principle, I do not agree with what you are saying, but will defend your right to say it to the death in favor of I do not like what you are saying, so I am going to find a similar group of like-minded people and work to abolish your right to say it.
I do not like the new double standard in freedom that says only blacks are allowed to talk about race and only liberals care (about the environment, race, global warming, emissions, human suffering, etc.).
I was raised in a Democratic household in a Democratic stronghold.
Sided with the leftists anarchists and those shot dead a Kent State like a lot of you whom have answered.
Believed in sex, drugs, rock & roll 100%.
Ended up with minor STD’s.
Destroyed my brain.
Hearing is shot.
Firmly believe Dr. Peter Duesburg that aids is an administrative disease which lets people off the hook for self-destructive behaviors.
No one event, just capital accumulation and the increasing militancy of the people who we were supposed to be helping. Tired of being beat up over my race. Now hate being beat up over being wealthy.
Got tired of a party that only wanted to make excuses for its constituency.
Don’t think the Republicans are that great either.
I believe government has grown increasingly obtrusive into the average life.
I think most of the Green movement suckers in concerned people to a completely communist agenda.
I do not like the idea of mob rule and even less of letting the people getting handouts voting.
I do not like the fact that we have gone from Voltaire’s principle, I do not agree with what you are saying, but will defend your right to say it to the death in favor of I do not like what you are saying, so I am going to find a similar group of like-minded people and work to abolish your right to say it.
I do not like the new double standard in freedom that says only blacks are allowed to talk about race and only liberals care (about the environment, race, global warming, emissions, human suffering, etc.).
rambling man
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I read Fareignheit 451 in eighth grade and it opened my eyes to a lot of scary trends. It was not a political moment, but it colors everything since.
I was raised in an NRA household so I do feel that, even though I do not own a gun, a threat to one constitutional amendment is a threat to them all.
I also had a grandmother who hated the Democratic Party since the Yalta Agreement that effectively divided Europe between teh US and the USSR. I am nowhere near as vehement as she was though
I have learned, though, that it is unwise to be inflexible and talk in absolutes, you end up losing a lot of arguements that way.
I will never be a one issue voter. It is not a rational way to pick a candidate.
I was raised in an NRA household so I do feel that, even though I do not own a gun, a threat to one constitutional amendment is a threat to them all.
I also had a grandmother who hated the Democratic Party since the Yalta Agreement that effectively divided Europe between teh US and the USSR. I am nowhere near as vehement as she was though
I have learned, though, that it is unwise to be inflexible and talk in absolutes, you end up losing a lot of arguements that way.
I will never be a one issue voter. It is not a rational way to pick a candidate.
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Well, Markov
This will seem a low blow, and I don't mean it as one. Your posts are beginning to emerge for me from the right-wing miasma of what I first thought was a like-minded gang at lit. I feel your pain about a lot of stuff - you're definitely a character, and not as predictable as some. BUT, your tale could well be that of someone who took too many drugs and got too much money and - like so many boomers - turned right wing out of picque at the masses & personal greed. There's nothing I hate more than the Woodstock hippies who danced naked in the rain and now tests their kids' urine!There's nothing I hate more than the Woodstock hippies who danced naked in the rain and now test their kids' urine!
This will seem a low blow, and I don't mean it as one. Your posts are beginning to emerge for me from the right-wing miasma of what I first thought was a like-minded gang at lit. I feel your pain about a lot of stuff - you're definitely a character, and not as predictable as some. BUT, your tale could well be that of someone who took too many drugs and got too much money and - like so many boomers - turned right wing out of picque at the masses & personal greed. There's nothing I hate more than the Woodstock hippies who danced naked in the rain and now tests their kids' urine!There's nothing I hate more than the Woodstock hippies who danced naked in the rain and now test their kids' urine!
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Huh?
I turned right 'cause I made a little dough, so what?
I came from blue collar poor dirt farmers.
My father's generation worked in Fairfax in the plants and mills and such.
We were the first generation to go to college.
First generation not Democrat.
But this is not Grandpa's Democratic Party anymore.
Not since Bill Clinton.
I turned right 'cause I made a little dough, so what?
I came from blue collar poor dirt farmers.
My father's generation worked in Fairfax in the plants and mills and such.
We were the first generation to go to college.
First generation not Democrat.
But this is not Grandpa's Democratic Party anymore.
Not since Bill Clinton.
shadowsource
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little to do with Clinton
Markov - you acted out your little chapter of the American dream, that's all. As you said, you turned right 'cause you made a little money. What Clinton did to the Dems was to make them a bit more conservative, so I will NEVER believe that you bailed out because of his welfare "reform" or his internet censorship bill or his other concessions to Gingrich.
Markov - you acted out your little chapter of the American dream, that's all. As you said, you turned right 'cause you made a little money. What Clinton did to the Dems was to make them a bit more conservative, so I will NEVER believe that you bailed out because of his welfare "reform" or his internet censorship bill or his other concessions to Gingrich.
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most of the agricultural democrats were the same ilk that have been around since Thomas Jefferson, the ones that said America is about giving people a fair shake and government should leave me the hell alone....it isn't the farmers who turned away from the Democrats, it's the Democrats who turned away from them...
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Plus
millionaires are not like Bill Clinton.
We don't have a cool Mil in the checking account.
Usually no more than about $20,000 in CD's, a few more in savings.
But two homes, retirement, miscellaneous investments, land, a few steers, trucks and automobiles, barns, guns, jewelry, etc. and before you know it, you're a millionaire.
Glad to see that at least someone see's I am not the sterotypical right-winger. I'd rather be that than a millionaire turned Liberal like Bill Gates just to get Clinton off my back. Or babs. Or Baldwin. Or any of the guilty liberals who cry alligator tears over thier wealth and what the rest of us should do with ours.
I'm the same thing I've always been. A hard working grunt and I don't want Liberal America to come take from my family to give to the less fortunate.
I can do that on my own.
Again, I didn't wring my habds over that fate of Chinese Girls and the horror stories. We paid cash money to our government and thiers for the right to go resue our precious little star.
And I am too tough for any low blow to hurt. You aren't real to me. Just words on a screen.
millionaires are not like Bill Clinton.
We don't have a cool Mil in the checking account.
Usually no more than about $20,000 in CD's, a few more in savings.
But two homes, retirement, miscellaneous investments, land, a few steers, trucks and automobiles, barns, guns, jewelry, etc. and before you know it, you're a millionaire.
Glad to see that at least someone see's I am not the sterotypical right-winger. I'd rather be that than a millionaire turned Liberal like Bill Gates just to get Clinton off my back. Or babs. Or Baldwin. Or any of the guilty liberals who cry alligator tears over thier wealth and what the rest of us should do with ours.
I'm the same thing I've always been. A hard working grunt and I don't want Liberal America to come take from my family to give to the less fortunate.
I can do that on my own.
Again, I didn't wring my habds over that fate of Chinese Girls and the horror stories. We paid cash money to our government and thiers for the right to go resue our precious little star.
And I am too tough for any low blow to hurt. You aren't real to me. Just words on a screen.
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he is a remnant of the old Democratic Party then. There are many wings of it, just like there are lots of wings of the Republican Party
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what?
Tom Daschle's the guy who way boosted the farm supports for conservation, apple farmers, etc. a couple of days ago. The GOP only wants to help RICH MEGAFARMERS, and they don't make much effort to hide it. Don't forget Bush was gonna "punish" Jeffords by blocking the dairy compact from continuing....
Tom Daschle's the guy who way boosted the farm supports for conservation, apple farmers, etc. a couple of days ago. The GOP only wants to help RICH MEGAFARMERS, and they don't make much effort to hide it. Don't forget Bush was gonna "punish" Jeffords by blocking the dairy compact from continuing....
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