Defining Incest

[Hypoxia]

Expanding on my prior bit: Guy sees exposed sister, jerks on her. It's a grand all-family vacation at a steamy tropical resort, so he also sees and jerks on scantily-clad mom, aunty, grandma, etc. If it's only family then it MUST be incest, hey?

 

[kurrginatorX]

???????

So much for the simple "yes" or "no." Thread closed.

 

[8letters]

I have always understood that the original taboo against what we commonly think of as incest was that it caused problems for the breeding stock. Make a child with your brother or sister or mother or father and that child is/was likely to ‘inherit’ all sorts of ‘defects’. Better not to do it. Better not to take the risk.

I think a lot of the taboo has to do with the trust you have to have among family members to make a family work. To pick the Duggars as an example, brother-sister sex has to be completely unacceptable, something so fundamentally wrong that the kids don't even think of it. Someone outside the family couldn't date a Duggar kid without a chaperone, but there was no way the Duggar parents could prevent the brothers and sister intermingling without supervision.

Mother-son and Dad-daughter incest is somewhat similar in that they are betrayals of the wedding vows and also a betrayal of the basic trust a family has to have in order to operate.

 

[Requiax]

So much for the simple "yes" or "no." Thread closed.

Hang on... you come to a discussion forum - a discussion forum for writers, for people whose favourite activities include sitting down and typing out hundreds of words at a time - order them not to have a discussion at all... and then act peevish when they disregard your instructions?

Oh, you sweet summer child...

If you wanted a yes/no vote (and why? So you can go back to your buddy and say “I polled 30 people and 25 say you didn’t commit incest, looks like you’re cool”?) you should’ve just done a poll...

 

[regularguy13]

That is disgusting!!!! And yet.....

And yet it has potential! Love the wife beater tee shirt and who doesn't enjoy a passed out drunk?

kurr, i'm putting this idea/event in my 'story idea' closet. I'm working on a couple of things currently. If i write something using this. i will touch base with you and certainly give you credit! r

 

[RetroFan]

Where do stories about step siblings fit? Would they be incest stories, or be better suited to another category?

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Mother-son and Dad-daughter incest is somewhat similar in that they are betrayals of the wedding vows and also a betrayal of the basic trust a family has to have in order to operate.

8letters - I'm not particularly interested in the genre, but a question on this approach. How about an adult child and their widowed parent? Wedding vows essentially end at the death of a partner and it's now two adults, say 25 and 45 years old.

My mind says Eeew (like I said, not a fan) but not sure why - two consenting adults. Assume they're living apart, both independent financially and so forth. Child not a virgin, etc etc.

Thoughts?

 

[ElectricBlue]

- two consenting adults. Assume they're living apart, both independent financially and so forth. Child not a virgin, etc etc.

Or mature age sibcest? I've only written one purist incest story here (brother sister ten or twelve years after she's left home and the country, and they're now mid twenties/early thirties), and a sort of faux incest follow up (where the protagonists were the young man and his sister's girl friend). Both went down well with the I&T crowd, because there was romance and babies in the end (not the sibling's child, though).

But a mature, sibcest story keeps gnawing away in my mind, all death and Electra and sublimation, death of parents and so on. I'll start writing it one day, and screw with my psyche, I'm sure.

 

[8letters]

8letters - I'm not particularly interested in the genre, but a question on this approach. How about an adult child and their widowed parent? Wedding vows essentially end at the death of a partner and it's now two adults, say 25 and 45 years old.

My mind says Eeew (like I said, not a fan) but not sure why - two consenting adults. Assume they're living apart, both independent financially and so forth. Child not a virgin, etc etc.

Thoughts?

Personally, I think a parent-child relationship is incompatible with a romantic relationship and even at 25 the child is probably going to be looking for support and guidance.

I only write incest and all but one of my stories are siblings/half-siblings/cousins falling in love over time. Many people have asked me to write a mother-son story. I can't think of a mother-son situation where they treat each other as adults enough to fall in love.

 

[8letters]

Where do stories about step siblings fit? Would they be incest stories, or be better suited to another category?

Incest/Taboo. If the relationship is considered taboo because its between family members, then it belongs in I/T.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Personally, I think a parent-child relationship is incompatible with a romantic relationship and even at 25 the child is probably going to be looking for support and guidance.

OK, taking what you are saying for a point of discussion, how about an Oedipus scenario? Oedipus was damned by the gods, blinded himself in guilt. Yet he did not know. In legal terms, mens rea, the guilty intent, was not there, yet the sin was. Or Electricblue's emigre sister? No power imbalances. So now what?

Emotionally, I would find consensual sibling incest the 'least-Eeew' of the lot. Must think on that.

 

[KindofHere]

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[ElectricBlue]

It's fiction, it shouldn't bother you. A man turning into a mermaid is a bit more disturbing than damaged siblings.

But a mermaid is never real. A sister is...

 

[KindofHere]

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[ElectricBlue]

Not if your scenario and characters are fiction.

Ah, but digging into the psyche of twelve year old boy who's first eyeball of a naked woman was his seventeen year old sister ironing her school uniform. Chloe's catholic school girls are coming from behind on that one... As I say, a psycho drama gnawing to get out.

 

[KindofHere]

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[Wyldfire]

Ah, but digging into the psyche of twelve year old boy who's first eyeball of a naked woman was his seventeen year old sister ironing her school uniform. Chloe's catholic school girls are coming from behind on that one... As I say, a psycho drama gnawing to get out.

Age of consent issue for this site. Age of consent or over or admin gets cranky. No twelve year olds even in discussion.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Oedipus is a fictitious scenario. Need to find a real example.

It's a classic example expressing a well-nigh universal societal convention or moral judgement. I think my question remains valid, even if I haven't provided a 'Joe and Margery Smith, 1927, Melbourne' example. We are in any case discussing this on a forum dedicated to fictitious scenarios.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

But a mermaid is never real. A sister is...

I take it you never had sisters. About the most unreal creatures on the planet.

 

[Wyldfire]

It's a classic example expressing a well-nigh universal societal convention or moral judgement. I think my question remains valid, even if I haven't provided a 'Joe and Margery Smith, 1927, Melbourne' example. We are in any case discussing this on a forum dedicated to fictitious scenarios.

Yeah, but when you bring in old Eddie Rex, you bring in Gods and curses and stuff. Most of the fiction here is just plain old stupid human mind shit......

 

[Wyldfire]

I take it you never had sisters. About the most unreal creatures on the planet.

I will have you know I resemble that remark.

 

[NoJo]

I have sons, nephews and brothers, but no sisters, daughters or nieces. Perhaps that's why the only incest I can relate to (no pun intended) is mother/son.

I had to take care of my mother for many years, who suffered from dementia. She died recently. My first (and probably last) incest story (tbp) is based on my experiences. And no, we didn't have sex. But she thought I was her husband. A better writer than me could make the tale of her decline into a comedy, but for me it was a very sad and stressful period of my life.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Yeah, but when you bring in old Eddie Rex, you bring in Gods and curses and stuff. Most of the fiction here is just plain old stupid human mind shit......

Yeah, but all good fiction is plain new stupid human mind shit, yes?

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm not interested in reading incest tales. I've written quite a few and may eventually write more. I do so, not for the lulz, but as puzzle pieces.

* Components: People, places, situations, attitudes.
* The puzzle: How to make breaking a major social taboo plausible?

Plausibility is the key. Once you can fake that, you can do anything.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not interested in reading incest tales. I've written quite a few and may eventually write more. I do so, not for the lulz, but as puzzle pieces.

* Components: People, places, situations, attitudes.
* The puzzle: How to make breaking a major social taboo plausible?

Plausibility is the key. Once you can fake that, you can do anything.

The sex drive can make almost anything plausible. People make lots of pronouncements about this or that not being realistic or never happening, but the reality is that if something physically can happen between two people, it probably has happened. Maybe not a lot, but "not a lot" is plenty enough for the world of fiction and fantasy.

But I agree, the key to making this type of story work is the artfulness with which the author gets the main characters over the hurdle of the taboo. It's about as big a taboo as there is, and the challenge of getting over it is what makes these stories interesting and erotic. To read and to write. For some people, anyway.

It doesn't take a lot to make it "plausible." But there has to be something.

I would agree that step incest is incest, but because the taboo isn't quite as big it's not as compelling to some readers. Adoption incest, same thing. But the blood tie isn't essential for it to work as an incest story. A good example is SpacerX's Six Times A Day, which is a totally crazy gazillion chapter, infinitely long incest epic in which mom and son don't finally do the deed until something like chapter 35. It's a crazy but fun and pretty well-written saga, and the author does a good job of maintaining the tension between mom and adopted son over dozens of chapters. So it can work.