Deeply shallow question

[stickygirl]

She was (and still is) a Goddes.

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Is that Margo?
Ooop, no - just saw your earlier post

 

[EmilyMiller]

Is that Margo?
Ooop, no - just saw your earlier post

Mina L-W.

I had heard of her before I went to the UK. She was in the US climbing press / web-sites. Still is, albeit in articles about climbing Moms.

Walked past her in Hathersage. Too shy to say hi. Yes me being too shy .

Em

 

[stickygirl]

Mina L-W.

I had heard of her before I went to the UK. She was in the US climbing press / web-sites. Still is, albeit in articles about climbing Moms.

Walked past her in Hathersage. Too shy to say hi. Yes me being too shy .

Em

pfft - I've walked past loads of famous people. Not one of them stopped to say hello to me. All the fame goes to theirs heads innit

 

[EmilyMiller]

pfft - I've walked past loads of famous people. Not one of them stopped to say hello to me. All the fame goes to theirs heads innit

Something about her always spoke to me. Silly girl crush I guess.

Em

 

[alohadave]

What's with all the fascination with female muscles? Nicely toned ass and even legs are nice to see for me, but upper body muscles in women? You guys are weird!

Back muscles are sexy as fuck. That and shoulders.

 

[alohadave]

a woman walking around with a frown on her face or with her shoulders slumped forward. Both tell me she'd not pleased with how she looks. The same goes for things like an exaggerated walk that makes her hips sway a bunch. That tells me she's trying to make up for what she thinks she lacks. I also don't like most forms of piercings and a lot of visible tattoos are a turnoff for me. All that decoration is probably there to take my eyes off what she considers to not be good enough.

I'm sorry, but both of these are really male-gazey. Someone walking around with a frown implies nothing about how they feel about their body. It means that they are frowning about something.

And tattoos do not necessarily mean anything other than they liked the design. I have multiple tattoos that I picked on the spur of the moment in the tattoo parlor. There is no other deeper meaning to what I chose, or where I put them.

You are reading your personal preference against tattoos and piercings into meaning something that they don't mean.

 

[stickygirl]

Something about her always spoke to me. Silly girl crush I guess.

Em

I've got crushes too and they're not silly. I tried to explain my crush on Prof Alice Roberts but no one understood.

 

[alohadave]

That's an interesting choice of analogy. AFAIK, nobody has identified a reason why such a big eyecatching tail would be advantageous for the peacock or his descendants, except in that peahens find it attractive. It's cumbersome and requires a lot of resources to grow. The generally accepted theory for why peacocks have such impressive tails depends on a positive feedback loop, and those don't require much at all to get them started.

One theory is that a male that can afford to grow such extravagant feathers that serve no other purpose is an indicator of the health of the male. "Look at me, I have so much extra energy to grow these useless feathers, that I'll be able to be a good, strong mate and provide you with healthy offspring."

Of course, it's all instinct and not something that females have a checklist that they are referring to, but they know that those feathers take a lot of energy to produce.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I've got crushes too and they're not silly. I tried to explain my crush on Prof Alice Roberts but no one understood.

I read one of her books and have seen her in a show about comparative anatomy. Smart is sexy, but she has got something going on as well. I get the impression she might be fun to get to know intimately . Not sure why.

Em

 

[alohadave]

We are the only mammals that develop breasts during puberty and keep them for life, so what you say can only be fact

I've read a theory that we developed breasts to indicate sexual maturity. Since we don't go i to heat, a visual indicator that a woman has reached childbearing maturity was useful when looking for mates.

 

[HordHolm]

I've got crushes too and they're not silly. I tried to explain my crush on Prof Alice Roberts but no one understood.

Alice Roberts is cool!

 

[onehitwanda]

I've got crushes too and they're not silly. I tried to explain my crush on Prof Alice Roberts but no one understood.

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Are you kidding me? She's gorgeous!

 

[EmilyMiller]

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Are you kidding me? She's gorgeous!

I’ve only been with girls around my own age, but I agree she’s definitely got something, quite a lot of things actually .

Em

 

[onehitwanda]

I’ve only been with girls around my own age, but I agree she’s definitely got something, quite a lot of things actually .

Em

we mature like fine wine

just saying.

 

[Nightspeed]

Well, first off, the only reason I'd be in a gym would be to ask questions about the location of a new buffet joint.

Secondly, what I notice first depends on if she's walking toward me or away from me. If the former, I look at the face first, then her boobs. If she's walking away then definitely her butt.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Gonna throw that one to the biologists in the house.

Yes, breast size pre-pregnancy has no correlation to breastfeeding ability, and breast size post-pregnancy doesn't either. Not to mention how many women end up with smaller breasts after finishing successful breast feeding. The important breast alvaeolae and ducts are quite far down and go round into your armpit (so get a lump in your armpit checked out!), with the breasts themselves being more fatty covering.

Being well-nourished enough to be fat and grow big tits might have been seen as a sign of health, but I suspect big breasts appeal to some men simply as a very very obvious sign that This Is A Female.

I've heard about many cultures going topless until the Christian missionaries came along, but no idea if it's true. There's also not much relationship between size of breasts and sensitivity, I hear, so it's not like certain cultures invented supportive covering because they had bigger breasts. Maybe cloth was cheaper and warm clothes more important in some areas?

Personally, I notice how people move,and some of them attract me. Then there's a certain type of expression. And fit bodies, but I don't focus on particular body parts. I suspect that's more common with men, judging by how porn for men loves zooming in on breasts or pussy or dripping cock, and female audiences tend to prefer a panning shot over the whole scene (a generalisation, obviously!)

 

[SimonDoom]

Are men actually fixated on boobs - I mean in a sexual way? I'm just throwing the ida out there, but as larger ones are visible and men are less restrained about making comment, they feel permitted to ogle and make purile comments. Are they attracted by them or using them as a means of subjugation via ridicule?

Yes, men are fixated on boobs, in a sexual way, without a doubt. Not all men, obviously, and not all in the same way, because universal statements about what people like are nearly always wrong. I don't claim to know the science behind it. But I can testify to the reality of the attraction.

 

[Rob_Royale]

But I can testify to the reality of the attraction.

Yep, what he said.

 

[Bramblethorn]

One theory is that a male that can afford to grow such extravagant feathers that serve no other purpose is an indicator of the health of the male. "Look at me, I have so much extra energy to grow these useless feathers, that I'll be able to be a good, strong mate and provide you with healthy offspring."

Of course, it's all instinct and not something that females have a checklist that they are referring to, but they know that those feathers take a lot of energy to produce.

That's a popular theory for ornamental plumage in general. But on its own, it's not a complete explanation for peacocks because the tails have become so extravagant that the costs of lugging them around likely outweigh any health advantages they might have been signalling.

The Fisherian runaway theory is that the trend towards fancy tails could have started out that way, but however it started, it then became self-fuelling and magnified long past the point where the tail was no longer a useful signal of health, but a more and more important signal of ability to produce sexy offspring.

Where the potential for that kind of feedback cycle exists, it can be near-impossible to know what got it started, because even the tiniest of initial preferences can magnify over generations. Evolution is at least partially a chaotic system, in the formal mathematical butterfly-effect sense. The tiniest difference in starting conditions, however many million years ago, and perhaps today we'd be seeing peacocks that were ridiculously long-legged or small-beaked instead of fancy-tailed.

 

[YDB95]

I believe you are generalizing things here based on your own preferences. I don't think I've ever looked at a clothed woman's pussy, or tried to notice the labia through some tights or something. I'd even say that I find camel-toes vulgar and off-putting. I am pretty sure that visual fixation on pussy isn't universal.

Same. If anything I make a point of avoiding any opportunity to see between her legs. (Full disclosure: I love hairy pussies, so if we're in a swimming pool I would undoubtedly try for a discreet look to see if she had a big bush. But that's the exception.)
Not an ass man either. Probably her face is the first thing I notice, and I'd be lying to say breasts didn't catch my attention.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I climbed a set of stairs once, does that count?

The woman ahead of me had a nice ass, and a thin mobile phone in her back pocket. I thought that would do until I got to the top of the stairs, and she might turn and I'd see her face. She had her a hair tied back in a low ponytail, with a black ribbon. I never got to see her face, because she went one way and I went the other, but in that moment, she was the sexiest woman in the world.

 

[SimonDoom]

One theory is that a male that can afford to grow such extravagant feathers that serve no other purpose is an indicator of the health of the male. "Look at me, I have so much extra energy to grow these useless feathers, that I'll be able to be a good, strong mate and provide you with healthy offspring."

Of course, it's all instinct and not something that females have a checklist that they are referring to, but they know that those feathers take a lot of energy to produce.

I suspect it's more a matter of the male evolving to catch the attention of the female's instinct to identify mates by visual means, whatever those visual means are. It's the same thing with turkeys, if you've ever watched them in groups in spring. The males strut, spread their tales, and try to catch the attention of the females, who have evolved to look for visual cues to find mates. The males with the most extravagant visual cues get the most chicks, so to speak. Many bird species seem to be this way. The males are usually more colorful or showier than the females.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Assuming that breasts evolved to attract male attention (and that’s a BIG assumption), I think it’s entirely possible that it’s not sexual, per se, but comfort. Or, at least, that was the initial reason, and eventually male humans, as most humans do, got some wires crossed.

In most primates, as you said, breasts don’t stay swollen before/after the period when they’re nursing. What if the initial impulse wasn’t inherently sexual, but comforting? Like, a memory of nursing, and of a time when the male didn’t have to be out hunting/gathering and trying to survive? When someone would just take care of him and make sure his needs, both physical and emotional, were met? Even today, when men talk of women, especially wives and long term girlfriends, it’s about how they make us feel safe and loved, as much if not more as anything else.

Interesting, because I was thinking that male mammals shouldn't be attracted to breasts - a female that is lactating is caring for her young and probably less in a position to mate and breed with them specifically than one who isn't.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Are men actually fixated on boobs - I mean in a sexual way? I'm just throwing the ida out there, but as larger ones are visible and men are less restrained about making comment, they feel permitted to ogle and make purile comments. Are they attracted by them or using them as a means of subjugation via ridicule?

I can assure you that many of us men enjoy boobs on a far less nefarious level. I personally have never ridiculed breasts (although come to think of it, my wife isn't particularly sujugated, so maybe that's where I'm going wrong). I will own up to the occassional ogle.

But perhaps what you are referring to is the 'fixation' aspect. No I'm not personally fixated, there's a whole bunch of other body part that make up visual appreciation. And I guess if you are an asshole who want to make a woman feel bad, then breast size is a fairly obvious area to compare her to 'the ideal woman'.

 

[Duleigh]

But, without immediately revealing what I do when I look at a girl, how about you?

For me it's always the eyes.

Looking at specific body parts like the breasts, ass, legs that's like being in a butcher shop eyeing the cut of meat you're planning on for dinner, but the eyes tell the story of that person. Do they sparkle with mischief? Are they looking for another conquest? Maybe a daddy figure?Are they clear with health and vitality? Do they meet you in conversation or do they dart away? Is there joy in those eyes or is something being concealed?

Padded bras and spanx can hide so much, but the eyes hide nothing.