Damned if she does..

[His_sugar]

.... damned if she doesn't...

Don't you think MissT has taken enough crap this week? She has made a place for our silly nonsense ( which quite frankly i am surprised so many people are bitching, due to the number of comments like "This isn't bdsm related" in the middle of threads, by non GB posters ).

As a moderator, i feel for her. i use the old "Can't please everyone, all the time" when i have to make decisions.. but this has gotten to the point it is rediculous.

There are a ton of other boards out there.. don't like this one? Move along.

 

[lovetoread]

Tis the nature of people to not want to change. They'll get over it.

 

[zipman]

Tis the nature of people to not want to change. They'll get over it.

"Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine."

 

[Richard49]

I have NO compassion for those that give bullies premission publically to be bullies and then cave into them

 

[patient1]

.... damned if she doesn't...

Don't you think MissT has taken enough crap this week? She has made a place for our silly nonsense ( which quite frankly i am surprised so many people are bitching, due to the number of comments like "This isn't bdsm related" in the middle of threads, by non GB posters ).

As a moderator, i feel for her. i use the old "Can't please everyone, all the time" when i have to make decisions.. but this has gotten to the point it is rediculous.

There are a ton of other boards out there.. don't like this one? Move along.

It's impossible to please people that complain when the content rule isn't enforced,
But continue to complain when it's universally enforced.

 

[bunny bondage]

i think we should all throw MissT a party or something to make up for it. with lots of cake.

 

[Mastersprincess]

i think we should all throw MissT a party or something to make up for it. with lots of cake.

Best idea I've heard in a long time.....but just one question:

Who gets to jump out of the cake?



princess

 

[FungiUg]

I have NO compassion for those that give bullies premission publically to be bullies and then cave into them

Them's fightin' words, mister! Step outside... wet bus-tickets at 10 paces!

Anyway, so you have said Richard. But I have yet to see any evidence to your claim, or any constructive criticism from you in regards to how these "bullies" should have been handled.

If you have some ideas on how MissT could improve things, then speak up! I for one would be grateful, rather than these snide stab-in-the-back comments. Or are you trying to emulate these "bullies" of yours?

 

[Richard49]

Them's fightin' words, mister! Step outside... wet bus-tickets at 10 paces!

Anyway, so you have said Richard. But I have yet to see any evidence to your claim, or any constructive criticism from you in regards to how these "bullies" should have been handled.

If you have some ideas on how MissT could improve things, then speak up! I for one would be grateful, rather than these snide stab-in-the-back comments. Or are you trying to emulate these "bullies" of yours?

My private PMs to Miss T over abuse go back to when lance the moron singled me out and even threatened to call the polioce on me ..........

I even PMed her about all this before I brought my position public

She sees this abuse thing as free speech
I do not .......

My suggestion would have been to NEVER endorce publically abuse by calling it free speech ..........

I have also suggested that those that no not understand this as abuse might want to take a class from there local Women's Resourse Center

Snide stap in the back remarks ? Nope
I went to Miss T privately ...........
I shared my concerns about the behavior before Lancaster and what's her name started doing it .......
I went back to her privatly
she does not see or is unwilling to admit
that her approval of abusive behavor by calling it free speech
at lest contributed to all this

So I believe I have handled it as an adult
that dislikes abuse
and have handled it in an open and up front way

 

[catalina_francisco]

If you have some ideas on how MissT could improve things, then speak up! I for one would be grateful, rather than these snide stab-in-the-back comments. Or are you trying to emulate these "bullies" of yours?

I think that has been said a dozen of times already FungiUg, just follow the rules of the BDSM talk and allow the ‘fluff’ of the community. We do not need a new forum, we just need to stop fighting, arguing and respects each others opinion even if they are ridiculous.

About supporting or not supporting MissT, I have publicly supported MissT for the actions she took before creating this thread. I think she was doing an admirable job until now of course. I am sorry if this upsets her and if she feels threatened by all of the sincere concern of many. However that comes with the job as moderator. Actually if anything the discussion has been supported and encouraged by MissT, I think she is adult enough, big enough and strong enough to hear honest concern and opinions.

Francisco.

 

[FungiUg]

I think that has been said a dozen of times already FungiUg, just follow the rules of the BDSM talk and allow the ‘fluff’ of the community. We do not need a new forum, we just need to stop fighting, arguing and respects each others opinion even if they are ridiculous.

Welcome to the real world. However you slice it, people are gonna find stuff to fight about! I remember one board I was on, there was a huge bun-fight over the word "dear"! Seriously!

The question is how you deal with it. You can't stop the fighting and arguiing. It will always happen. As P.B. Walker said in an earlier post, it does seem to be cyclical.

So "let's all be nice to each other" (to paraphrase), while an admirable sentiment, is impractical.

About supporting or not supporting MissT, I have publicly supported MissT for the actions she took before creating this thread. I think she was doing an admirable job until now of course. I am sorry if this upsets her and if she feels threatened by all of the sincere concern of many. However that comes with the job as moderator. Actually if anything the discussion has been supported and encouraged by MissT, I think she is adult enough, big enough and strong enough to hear honest concern and opinions.

She is, I'm sure. At least, my opinion of her echoes your own there. However, I've seen all these negative statements, and very little about how to address the perceived problems.

Personally, I don't see having the "fluff" posts in a separate area as being a problem. I didn't see them being in with the community as a whole as being a problem either. But I do think that the separate area will encourage people to chat, and personally I think that will help build more of a community.

The fighting is the divisive element. And the separate board won't address the fighting. But unless you decide to ameliorate the "free speech" policy, I personally don't see how you can avoid it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Let’s be nice to each other helped Ghandi kick the Brits out of India.

The US has a policy of fighting terrorism and not giving into it. Why should we be different? Why should we give them what they want just because they can shout a lot?

The problem is not solved by creating a sub forum, what are you going to do if that fails, create a sub forum inside the sub forum. If people feel they need to post a thread that has nothing to do with BDSM well fine have it in there, after a while it will be forgotten and most will just ignore it. Give them their freedom of speech, or let people decide in which forum they want to post. Put the threads back where they originated.

Let the new forum exist and let the users themselves decide where they want to post. That is the solution to the problems.

Francisco.

 

[FungiUg]

Let’s be nice to each other helped Ghandi kick the Brits out of India.

Er no. Organised passive resistance did.

The US has a policy of fighting terrorism and not giving into it. Why should we be different? Why should we give them what they want just because they can shout a lot?

Er, I don't think we are dealing with terrorism, and I'm not the US government. Are you? Funnily enough though, Israel also has that same policy. And have a wander down Gaza strip sometime to see how well it can work. (That's sarcasm, if you were wondering.)

The problem is not solved by creating a sub forum, what are you going to do if that fails, create a sub forum inside the sub forum. If people feel they need to post a thread that has nothing to do with BDSM well fine have it in there, after a while it will be forgotten and most will just ignore it. Give them their freedom of speech, or let people decide in which forum they want to post. Put the threads back where they originated.

Why not give it a go, see if it works, before pronouncing doom? Be open minded? See what happens? As for creating a sub-sub-forum... no, it would be more likely wrapped up and folded back into the main community, I would imagine.

Let the new forum exist and let the users themselves decide where they want to post. That is the solution to the problems.

Eggs-zachary!

And here it is, and oh my, we're using it! How terrible! Do I need to be punished for my sins?

 

[MissTaken]

[

Eggs-zachary!

And here it is, and oh my, we're using it! How terrible! Do I need to be punished for my sins?

I have a lovely paddle that just might help with the punishment piece!



Thank you fungiug and francisco,

Your conversation has been helpful and enlightening. Truly.

 

[FungiUg]

I have a lovely paddle that just might help with the punishment piece!

Hmmm... tell ya what, let me try it out and see if it's suitable. Just bend over darlin'... that's it...

 

[le_kinklet]

Welcome to the real world. However you slice it, people are gonna find stuff to fight about! I remember one board I was on, there was a huge bun-fight over the word "dear"! Seriously!

The question is how you deal with it. You can't stop the fighting and arguiing. It will always happen. As P.B. Walker said in an earlier post, it does seem to be cyclical.

So "let's all be nice to each other" (to paraphrase), while an admirable sentiment, is impractical.



She is, I'm sure. At least, my opinion of her echoes your own there. However, I've seen all these negative statements, and very little about how to address the perceived problems.

Personally, I don't see having the "fluff" posts in a separate area as being a problem. I didn't see them being in with the community as a whole as being a problem either. But I do think that the separate area will encourage people to chat, and personally I think that will help build more of a community.

The fighting is the divisive element. And the separate board won't address the fighting. But unless you decide to ameliorate the "free speech" policy, I personally don't see how you can avoid it.

i have to agree Fung, as you know i have managed several comunities, although i have scaled right down to one, which you can visit by visiting my profile, but the free speech thing is so hard to avoid. They are open forums and unfortunately some ppl think they are free to turn them into boxing matches too! So some one said one day if you do not want to know about it hit the delete button it aint so hard, and yes put it down to free speech, cos after all we all have our own opions, and that does not mean we have to agree on all of em! We can agree to disagree too! that settles alot of things in most cases!
OOPS! Did it again

 

[JupitersGirl]

After having read this forum for months, it is apparent to me that MissTaken expends a lot of time and effort insuring that this forum is well organized, focused and fun. Don't you think she deserves a couple of weeks worth of trial before her idea is condemned out of hand? I do.

 

[His_sugar]

i am somewhat amused at how 'black and white' some people are seeing this issue.

Given a week in MissT's shoes, i bet most would be done with it. Everyday i have people telling me how to moderate, and i think to myself.. "Uh huh, you just think it is sooooooooo easy".. 9 out of 10 would run screaming the first time someone yelled at them.

For those that do live life in the black and white zone, how lovely for you.. i prefer the gray area myself.. much more to learn, much more to try and much more to do...

 

[James G 5]

Best idea I've heard in a long time.....but just one question:

Who gets to jump out of the cake?



princess

Jump out of it hell
it'd be a lot more fun to get naked, roll around in it, and lick it off one another......

 

[James G 5]

I have a lovely paddle that just might help with the punishment piece!

Me too!
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5182315#post5182315

 

[catalina_francisco]

i am somewhat amused at how 'black and white' some people are seeing this issue.

Given a week in MissT's shoes, i bet most would be done with it. Everyday i have people telling me how to moderate, and i think to myself.. "Uh huh, you just think it is sooooooooo easy".. 9 out of 10 would run screaming the first time someone yelled at them.

For those that do live life in the black and white zone, how lovely for you.. i prefer the gray area myself.. much more to learn, much more to try and much more to do...

I am sure that moderating a board is not that easy as some think. However if i understand correctly from MissT earlier postings it was not her decision. We are not attacking MissT quite the contrary, at least not me. Nor are we questioning her position as a moderator.

What we arguing is the decision that has been made and shoved down our throats without consulting, without asking if this is what we wanted.

So like I have suggested elsewhere, if this is such a good decision to be made for us, let the decision taker defend her decision.

Francisco.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I am sure that moderating a board is not that easy as some think. However if i understand correctly from MissT earlier postings it was not her decision. We are not attacking MissT quite the contrary, at least not me. Nor are we questioning her position as a moderator.

What we arguing is the decision that has been made and shoved down our throats without consulting, without asking if this is what we wanted.

So like I have suggested elsewhere, if this is such a good decision to be made for us, let the decision taker defend her decision.

Francisco.

To begin with, I like and read your posts and those of Catalina. I find your posts to be well thought out and non-condescending. I agree with a great deal of the posts you both make.

With that said and before someone really rude comes along and says it in an unkind manner... this board is owned and therefore is not a democracy. We have no say and they owe us no explanation. I know someone (and I know specifically who that will be) will come along and say this in the most unkind way possible.

Again, I find you both to be an asset to this forum. Thank you.

 

[catalina_francisco]

To begin with, I like and read your posts and those of Catalina. I find your posts to be well thought out and non-condescending. I agree with a great deal of the posts you both make.

With that said and before someone really rude comes along and says it in an unkind manner... this board is owned and therefore is not a democracy. We have no say and they owe us no explanation. I know someone (and I know specifically who that will be) will come along and say this in the most unkind way possible.

Again, I find you both to be an asset to this forum. Thank you.

Thank you, and your posts are appreciated as intelligent and valued by us also. Though I realise the board is owned by someone, I fell as I pointed out yesterday it is a bit of a Catch 22.....without the participation of responsible posters, readers, and writers who frequent Lit, and who have an active role in the development of high respect Literotica has gained in the outside world so to speak, there is no site. You have to have participants to operate otherwise there is little point or satisfaction for the owners I suspect, so the wise thing then is to give them the respect to treat them fairly and honestly in an open way.

As for rude people, well I have noticed an over supply of them lately and feel they are only going to prove their own value in the long run by their disrespect for others and freedom as a whole.

Catalina

 

[snoozebutton]

i think we should all throw MissT a party or something to make up for it. with lots of cake.

I say we make HER the cake. Yummy hehe.....

 

[Zaudika]

I say we make HER the cake. Yummy hehe.....

Now that's one of the best ideas i've heard all morning!... Think of the places that we can have her hold the candles! Ooooooo!..