Damn my church is a complete bunch of blatting sheep

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Door knocking brainwashed sheep.

No wonder athiest and other faiths get so pissed off at the Baptist in this town.

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know the bible says, " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" - Matthew 28:19

But it also says, "And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them." - Luke 9:5

Yes I am a Right Wingnut FundaMENATList. Yeah sure I would love to see everyone in heaven too. But I got my orders above. To me they are rather clear. Go preach, they don't want to listen go,leave them alone stop preaching, don't come a knocking no more.

What's my fruitloop of a pop pyschologist feel good Senior Pastor do, he sends out the smae people to the same houses time after time. No wonder no one likes the Baptist Church in this town.

Wasting the parishioners time sending them to the same people. Wasting the peoples time, if they didn't want to hear it the first time, why in the blue fucking hell would they want to hear it the next 70 times you send someone to thier door?

To me, Evangelism is like this: You go to the door, you ask if they are intersting, you don't go into the prerecorded "your a sinner and you need God Speech", they say yes you continue, they say no you thank them, you don't push the matter, you don't get whiny you offer the churches card. That's it, leave, go, vahmoose.

The best thing for my church would be to drop 34 of the unnecessary staff, force the pastor to do his job properly or leave. and Revamp the whole public relations cause it really sucks right now.

AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wiggles]

I am sooo glad I don't live in your little Baptist town. I'd make sure that I answered the door in the nude with a bat in hand.

I hope you've spoken your opinions to your Pastor. I'm sure those people could be implemented in other places.

 

[morninggirl5]

Door knocking brainwashed sheep.


What's my fruitloop of a pop pyschologist feel good Senior Pastor do, he sends out the smae people to the same houses time after time. No wonder no one likes the Baptist Church in this town.

Wasting the parishioners time sending them to the same people. Wasting the peoples time, if they didn't want to hear it the first time, why in the blue fucking hell would they want to hear it the next 70 times you send someone to thier door?

The best thing for my church would be to drop 34 of the unnecessary staff, force the pastor to do his job properly or leave. and Revamp the whole public relations cause it really sucks right now.

AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, Todd. You've got a good point. BUT, and you knew there was one. If it's like my church, that list of people to visit is contributed by the people in the church and if the pastor took them off the list, then he's got a church member on his back.... "Why didn't you visit so and so like I asked you to?"

BTW, it sounds like you go to one of those big city churches. You need to think smaller. I'm serious, what I've read from you, you really need to think smaller is better.

 

[Azwed]

Aren't most churches that way????


Thats the thing I dislike about them the most.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I am sooo glad I don't live in your little Baptist town. I'd make sure that I answered the door in the nude with a bat in hand.

I hope you've spoken your opinions to your Pastor. I'm sure those people could be implemented in other places.

If you didn't have the bat in hand I might . . . well thats another subject altogether

Yeah I have spoken/voiced my opinions to the Pastor but much like people trying to convince me here on lit that creation is wrong, it's like beating my head up against the proverbial wall.

 

[perks]

todd.....I'd like to help you out here, but how much of a fundamentalist can you be hanging out on a porn site?
that people are sheep, should be apparent to you as a fundamentalist....."all we like sheep have gone astray"..one of the names of Christ is "the Good Shepherd"...what part of the sheep thing did you not get?

Follow blindly...."faith" if you will...and you'll be slaughtered.

as to your "point"......fundamentalists seem to forget the one thing that Christ never forgot.....choice....CHOICE...he advocated it. There are paths to choose from...more than two contrary to popular fundamentalist opinion. He says choose. Those dogmatics, the fundamental money changers"scribes and pharisees" were kicked out of the temple by HIM. It's the dogma of your religion, dude, not the pure simplicity of the faith...

I meant to ignore this thread, but I couldn't help myself,
perky

 

[Azwed]

If you didn't have the bat in hand I might . . . well thats another subject altogether

Yeah I have spoken/voiced my opinions to the Pastor but much like people trying to convince me here on lit that creation is wrong, it's like beating my head up against the proverbial wall.

Now you know how we fell you knuckle head.

Todd you never told me why you created the Todd O vision name.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Damn my church is a complete bunch of blatting sheep

Ok, Todd. You've got a good point. BUT, and you knew there was one. If it's like my church, that list of people to visit is contributed by the people in the church and if the pastor took them off the list, then he's got a church member on his back.... "Why didn't you visit so and so like I asked you to?"

BTW, it sounds like you go to one of those big city churches. You need to think smaller. I'm serious, what I've read from you, you really need to think smaller is better.

What the Pastor needs to say to the people that say, "Why didn't you visit so and so like I asked you to?" is "We been there and done that, they aren't interested." Then the second Bible verse.

Its the smallest church in reasonable traveling distance, unless I feel like walking three hours, and I don't. Where I was before here was much better a nice country church 100-150 members, no hardocre beat your door own evangelism. no suits and ties, casaul dress, casual attitude.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

todd.....I'd like to help you out here, but how much of a fundamentalist can you be hanging out on a porn site?

I read Song of Solomon too

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Todd you never told me why you created the Todd O vision name.

because i like to keep track of how many post I make in a year

 

[morninggirl5]

Re: Re: Re: Damn my church is a complete bunch of blatting sheep

What the Pastor needs to say to the people that say, "Why didn't you visit so and so like I asked you to?" is "We been there and done that, they aren't interested." Then the second Bible verse.

Its the smallest church in reasonable traveling distance, unless I feel like walking three hours, and I don't. Where I was before here was much better a nice country church 100-150 members, no hardocre beat your door own evangelism. no suits and ties, casaul dress, casual attitude.

100-150? That's not small, but it's closer to what I meant.

 

[perks]

I read Song of Solomon too

that means what?....parts of the bible talk about incest too...daughters getting th eir fathers drunk to become impregnated by him....have you forgotten the commandments, brotha? Or do you just label yourself fundamentalist and pick and choose what you want to follow?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

that means what?....parts of the bible talk about incest too...daughters getting th eir fathers drunk to become impregnated by him....have you forgotten the commandments, brotha? Or do you just label yourself fundamentalist and pick and choose what you want to follow?

Mathew Chapter 22
34 ¶ But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Oh whoops did we changes from the dispenstaion of Law {Ten Commandments} to the dispensation of Grace {Blood of Jesus}? Whoops I forgot about that.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Damn my church is a complete bunch of blatting sheep

100-150? That's not small, but it's closer to what I meant.

Thats the smallest baptists I think you will find in New Brunswick. The anglicans have some numbers under 50 but, well there is some difference of doctrine I couldn't sit with.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

todd.....I'd like to help you out here, but how much of a fundamentalist can you be hanging out on a porn site?

<snip>

as to your "point"......fundamentalists seem to forget the one thing that Christ never forgot.....choice....CHOICE...he advocated it.

As much of a fundamentalist as I am (or more).

Look, despite what some people think on either side of the fence, being a fundamentalist Christian means that I believe in the fundamental tenets of Christianity.

What that does not mean is that I am not a sexual creature or that I shouldn't enjoy sex - despite what some of the so-called Christian "leaders" spout in their dogma. I see no conflict between being a Christian and being here, at least no more than any other religion.

We've been round and round about this before here, and each Christian here has varying levels of comfort with being here. Some are conflicted, some are not, but once I actually thought about it for myself and stopped listening to those who wanted to control my behavior through guilt, according their warped and prudish view of the world, I realized there was very little if any conflict.

That said, I have to agree with Todd that many churches (most? all?) have little if any idea of how to properly envangelize; they send their members out cold, with little knowledge or training, and little idea of the arguments/problems people have with Christianity. If they do have any info it is usually canned responses to questions.

What they need to do is train these people in informal logic (the art of debate), and run them through some trial runs, like they do in law school where the law students argue their case before a jury and judge as a dress rehearsal.

Also, finding someone who can argue well online would help; I know I have honed my ability to debate from long hours of debating online.

 

[Bindii]

Go preach, they don't want to listen go,leave them alone stop preaching, don't come a knocking no more.

Its a bit like some of the churches in my area, I'm no atheist but a couple of weeks ago some people knocked on my door to preach. Very nicely I told them that T had my own beliefs and that I was not interested in discussing them......two days later a 5 (foolscap) page handwritten sermon was dropped in my letterbox! It seems that they are determined to get their point accross even if we don't want to hear it....

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

that means what?....parts of the bible talk about incest too...daughters getting th eir fathers drunk to become impregnated by him....have you forgotten the commandments, brotha? Or do you just label yourself fundamentalist and pick and choose what you want to follow?

Which of the Ten Commandments is a Christian violating by being here?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

That said, I have to agree with Todd that many churches (most? all?) have little if any idea of how to properly envangelize; they send their members out cold, with little knowledge or training, and little idea of the arguments/problems people have with Christianity. If they do have any info it is usually canned responses to questions.

What they need to do is train these people in informal logic (the art of debate), and run them through some trial runs, like they do in law school where the law students argue their case before a jury and judge as a dress rehearsal.

Also, finding someone who can argue well online would help; I know I have honed my ability to debate from long hours of debating online.

I think you have hit the nail on the head STG. there is a lack of training in my church at least, probably most churches but I know in my for sure. The Pastor just makes these, what I call "Week before pushes" shoving the people willing enough to so something out a week beofre an event.

Your illusion to law school dress rehersal is so bang on , i can't really improve upon that.

Also online debating has taught me lots as you suggest though, when it becomes arguementative there is very little value or accomplishment.

Thank you for your input, I value it in a twisted mentor{you} learnee{me} way, I do read just about most of your threads when you get religious

 

[Wiggles]

I don't know who's religion this agrees or disagrees with, I'm not very good on that subject......

But shouldn't these door knockers be directed into doing something a bit more useful?
I would think helping some old lady mow her yard, or holding a daycare center for single moms trying to get off welfare would be more helpful than knocking on their door to get her into church to fill up the collection plate.

Have you brought any alternatives to your pastor? Maybe being a good example in a community would be better than sending weekly/monthly reminders to their doorsteps.

I could be Way off the mark here. This really isn't my thing.

 

[Lili]

*laughs* I once had some Baptists come to my door at 11am. I had just gotten home from an early early shift at work. I was sick, tired and thorougly pissed off that someone had let them into the building.

Just to try and get rid of them, I told them I didn't believe in god at all and not to waste their time. They -still- tried to get me to let them in, even tho I'd just stepped out of the shower and had on only a robe and a towel.

Morons.

Good luck changing your pastor's mind, tho!

Lili

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Damn my church is a complete bunch of blatting sheep

Its a bit like some of the churches in my area, I'm no atheist but a couple of weeks ago some people knocked on my door to preach. Very nicely I told them that T had my own beliefs and that I was not interested in discussing them......two days later a 5 (foolscap) page handwritten sermon was dropped in my letterbox! It seems that they are determined to get their point accross even if we don't want to hear it....

Exactly my point. Not everyone wants to here, not everyone needs to have it shoved down thier letterbox.

I would encourage anyone who gets this sort of stuff dropped off after a declination of thier info the first time to send it back to the church C.O.D.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

I don't know who's religion this agrees or disagrees with, I'm not very good on that subject......

But shouldn't these door knockers be directed into doing something a bit more useful?
I would think helping some old lady mow her yard, or holding a daycare center for single moms trying to get off welfare would be more helpful than knocking on their door to get her into church to fill up the collection plate.

Have you brought any alternatives to your pastor? Maybe being a good example in a community would be better than sending weekly/monthly reminders to their doorsteps.

I could be Way off the mark here. This really isn't my thing.

Those are very good suggestions and this is generally my personal route of evangelism, is through helping out in my community.

I bought a lawnmower and usually have a 3-4 block area i hit in the summer for free to the elderly. I got some cheap gardening tools and do a bit of weeding in the same area.

I generally get better repsonse and interest in God stuff through this than door knocking. Even thought I still believe door knocking has its place done correctly and meekly

 

[perks]

Oh whoops did we changes from the dispenstaion of Law {Ten Commandments} to the dispensation of Grace {Blood of Jesus}? Whoops I forgot about that.

are you telling me, seriously, that a "fundamentalist" negates the entire old testament...the larger portion of the bible, because of the blood of ...oh to coin your terminology "the Lamb'?

perks

and I didn't say a christian violates anything by being here....I said a fundamentalist does....we're talking dogma here, not spirituality.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

thorougly pissed off that someone had let them into the building.

They -still- tried to get me to let them in, even tho I'd just stepped out of the shower and had on only a robe and a towel.

Good luck changing your pastor's mind, tho!

Lili

Your first staement is one of my pet peeves especially when I did some church stuff in New York, CEF wanted us to push all the button whatever it took {ends justify the means} to get into the apartment buildings with the security buzzers. I refused. I would ring a bell and identify myself and my reason for being there., get rung in if they wished me in, go straight to that apartment, conduct whatever cicilities needed done, out side to ring another apartment. This thouroughly pissed my partner who once inside wanted to go from door to door.

Your second statement goes in conjunction somewhat with what STG said, a lack of training, and ccoth and manners. If it had been I, I would of offered a crad and simply left. no more if, ands, or butts.

Third statement, thank you, though I fear it a losing battle.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I didn't say a christian violates anything by being here....I said a fundamentalist does....we're talking dogma here, not spirituality.

I am specifically not talking about dogma because I am not responsible for other people's dogmatic beliefs, nor is any religion responsible for its followers warping its teachings (we just went over this in another thread).

I am talking about the underlying beliefs of Christianity, the true meaning of fundamentalism, not what someone like Jerry Falwell says is Christianity - as I said, I am not responsible for what he feels, says, believes, preaches - I am responsible for being consistent and true to my religion, not someone else's dogma.