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By Dan Zak, Published: March 15

In 1996, he voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

In 1999, he voted to prohibit gay couples in the District from adopting.

Two years ago, his son told him he was gay.

And this week, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) announced a change of heart, saying he had decided to support same-sex marriage. The stance puts him at odds with two-thirds of Republican voters and the rest of his fellow Republicans in the Senate.

“I have come to believe that if two people are prepared to make a lifetime commitment to love and care for each other in good times and in bad, the government shouldn’t deny them the opportunity to get married,” Portman wrote in an essay for the Columbus Dispatch.

For a Midwestern conservative who served in the George W. Bush administration and made Mitt Romney’s short*list for vice president, Portman’s reversal was both striking and of the moment.

Public opinion has been shifting rapidly in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage, and in two weeks, the Supreme Court will hear arguments on the constitutionality of California’s Proposition 8 and the Defense of Marriage Act. Yet just eight years ago, Portman’s own state was ground zero in a national, and largely successful, movement against gay marriage.

The main reason for Portman’s shift? Family — specifically his son Will, a junior at Yale University.

The Portman family makes big decisions together after much contemplation, said J. Dennis Hastert, a former Republican House speaker who has been close to the Portmans since the senator was in the House leadership in the 1990s.

“Rob’s the kind of person who’d give it a lot of thought and a lot of personal time and insight before he makes a decision like that,” Hastert said. “ . . . It’s certainly going to rile some people in the party, especially to the right, but I think it’s a personal decision and a decision that goes along with Rob’s thinking. I think he’s very concerned that our party is a big-tent party.”

The announcement surprised former congressman Thomas M. Davis of Virginia, who also served in House leadership with Portman.

“He’s been traditionally very risk-averse on those issues, but he’s very cerebral,” Davis said. “You do not see any Republicans just coming out on this issue. It’s changing, but this is not the safe place for Republicans with ambition. So you’ve got to think this is a sincere move on his part.”

As the news spread through the political world Friday morning, Portman was unreachable in the Tennessee wilderness, where he was on his annual kayaking and mountain-biking trip with Will and his other son, Jed. (right, the guy that ain't gay, just sayiing)
 
Portman was unreachable in the Tennessee wilderness, where he was on his annual kayaking and mountain-biking trip with Will and his other son, Jed. (right, the guy that ain't gay, just sayiing)

God hates the gays. Expect an unexplainable, untimely 'accident' in the backwoods of Tennessee.
 
I'm glad that Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio has reconsidered his view on gay marriage upon realization that his son is gay, but I also find this particular window into moderation—memorably dubbed Miss America conservatism by Mark Schmitt—to be the most annoying form.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/03/15/rob_portman_and_the_politics_of_narcissism.html

The writer is sort of right, its why I posted this. If his son wasnt gay, what would his stance be? These people are frauds.....but I wish they would shut the fuck up about climate change.....christ sake
 
The writer is sort of right, its why I posted this. If his son wasnt gay, what would his stance be? These people are frauds.....but I wish they would shut the fuck up about climate change.....christ sake
I too wish that they would shut the fuck up about Christ.
 
Progressive by convenience.

Actually, considering the anti-gay marriage platform of his political party, he's just created some serious inconveniences to his professional life.

I don't see anything in his motives worth reprimanding. The bad thing would be if his view of gay marriage hadn't been affected by knowing about his son's sexual orientation.

Movable in Minneapolis,
Ellie
 
Barack Obama

Issue: Gay marriage

Original issue: While President Barack Obama had supported civil unions for gay couples, he had said that gay marriage was against his religious beliefs. In 2008, Obama said: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

The flop: President Barack Obama declared his personal support for gay marriage on May 9, 2012, on ABC's "Good Morning America," signaling a historic shift. He said, "I've been going through an evolution on this issue."
 
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John: Homer, I won your respect, and all I had to do was save your life. [be your son.] Now, if every gay man could just do the same, you'd be set.
 
Actually, considering the anti-gay marriage platform of his political party, he's just created some serious inconveniences to his professional life.

I don't see anything in his motives worth reprimanding. The bad thing would be if his view of gay marriage hadn't been affected by knowing about his son's sexual orientation.

Movable in Minneapolis,
Ellie

True. Convenience wasn't the perfect word.

It's more the fact that it took the issue hitting his me-sphere for him to be able to emphatize with those who are disenfranchised.

Did he change his core principle now or did he use to adopt one that made him win primaries? That's the convenience part.
 
True. Convenience wasn't the perfect word.

It's more the fact that it took the issue hitting his me-sphere for him to be able to emphatize with those who are disenfranchised.

Empathy and conviction aren't always inseparable. A person can empathize with others but still disagree with them.

That said, it's always an issue hitting one's me-sphere that forms one's opinion about that issue, whether it comes in the form of indoctrination, education, personal experience, etc.

Did he change his core principle now or did he use to adopt one that made him win primaries? That's the convenience part.

I would call that the dogmatically cynical part. Believe it or not, sometimes people change their minds without ulterior motives. Even politicians.

Uncomplicated in Utah,
Ellie
 
While I'm glad Rob Portman has come around, why did it take an event that impacted him personally? He said in his statement that his son coming out gave him the opportunity to change his mind as if he didn't have that opportunity each and every day.

Just like Sen. Kirk hated Medicaid until he had a stroke and realized that he would have been screwed if he was poor - and only wants to provide Medicaid assistance for stroke victims. These guys shows what we call "conditional empathy", indifference or opposition to an issue until it affects ME. These guys will oppose anything until it affects them personally. It makes you wish they had to deal with more issues than just those that are inside their insular bubble and squarely fit their party platform.
 
I would call that the dogmatically cynical part. Believe it or not, sometimes people change their minds without ulterior motives. Even politicians.

Uncomplicated in Utah,
Ellie
What can I say, too much cable news has steeled my heart. I tend to believe the worst of a politician until proven otherwise.
 
True. Convenience wasn't the perfect word.

It's more the fact that it took the issue hitting his me-sphere for him to be able to emphatize with those who are disenfranchised.

Did he change his core principle now or did he use to adopt one that made him win primaries? That's the convenience part.


Rob Portman lives in a village outside Cincinnati called Terrace Park. I grew up just minutes from it. It's the quintessential bubble town, literally hidden away from the world. You will not find it unless you're specifically looking for it. It's all-white, all upper middle class or wealthy. When you drive there (if you can find it), it's a lot like being in The Shire - from its very homey pastoral appearance to its Hobbits who literally live in a bubble.

The racial makeup of the village was 98.6% White, 0.1% African American, 0.4% Asian, 0.2% from other races, and 0.7% from two or more races. As of 2009 the median household income in the village was $135,574, and the median income for a family was $144,452.[8] The percentage of households with incomes higher than $200,000 makes the village the wealthiest in the Cincinnati area.[9]

Wikipedia.
 
There's nothing like self interest to motivate the soul.

One day most conservatives will wake up and realize that the freedom to marry whoever we want is in their own best interest and is consistent with conservative ideology.
 
While I'm glad Rob Portman has come around, why did it take an event that impacted him personally? He said in his statement that his son coming out gave him the opportunity to change his mind as if he didn't have that opportunity each and every day.

Just like Sen. Kirk hated Medicaid until he had a stroke and realized that he would have been screwed if he was poor - and only wants to provide Medicaid assistance for stroke victims. These guys shows what we call "conditional empathy", indifference or opposition to an issue until it affects ME. These guys will oppose anything until it affects them personally. It makes you wish they had to deal with more issues than just those that are inside their insular bubble and squarely fit their party platform.

For many people it's personal experience that causes a change. The fact that Kirk and Portman changed their views is a good thing. Empathy of any kind is better than none at all.
 
There's nothing like self interest to motivate the soul.

As much as it hurts to do so, I have to agree. Like many of those in congress if it doesn't benefit them personally, then they're against it. It matters not at all if it's best for the nation or the majority of citizens; whether it's the right thing to do or the best thing to do; it's all about "what's in it for me".

Rare is the individual who can put aside their own personal feelings or profit to do what is best for the rest.


Comshaw
 
Rob Portman lives in a village outside Cincinnati called Terrace Park. I grew up just minutes from it. It's the quintessential bubble town, literally hidden away from the world. You will not find it unless you're specifically looking for it. It's all-white, all upper middle class or wealthy. When you drive there (if you can find it), it's a lot like being in The Shire - from its very homey pastoral appearance to its Hobbits who literally live in a bubble.



Wikipedia.

Yeah so? What's where he lives got to do with gay marriage? Sounds like a nice neighborhood, free of graffiti, noise and kids banging on plastic buckets
 
If his son wasnt gay, what would his stance be?

If his son wasn't gay, I suspect the Senator would have a homophobia level just shy of julybaby04.

Closer to home, look at your buddy miles (buddy miles, get it? I crack myself up). Miles goosesteps mit der Republicans 99% of the time. The only difference between him and a 100% stereotype is he doesn't join in with Vetty and AJ when they go homo-bashing. And if someone on the left says something anti-Gay, he has an aneurysm.

This leads me to believe one or more of his daughters is gay. Probably the fat one.
 
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