Cutest pet ever!

[Marquis]

Reputable zoos make it so the animal doesn't get...welll...bored. They have animal enhancement, such as fish frozen in ice for a toy for bears, or they'll switch around what the enclosure looks like.

And as I said, that enclosure IS their territory and IS their life. You don't see a wild pride of lions or a pack of wolves going out beyond their marked lands, unless there's a need to. Their routine is pretty monotonous too, if you want to get down to it. Eat, sleep, sleep some more, defend their territory, mate, sleep. Actually compared to animals out in the wild, zoo animals have it positively heavenly. There's meals every day, don't have to worry about George in the next territory over trying to steal your girls, these strange two-leggers get rid of all the parasites and crap; if you get sick you have medical care...an animal in a zoo lives longer than an animal in the wild, and I don't think it's any less of a fuffilling life--it's just different.

A pride of lions usually claims a territory that can be hundreds of square miles.

Would you trade your freedom for security?

I mean, I have a big problem with the Patriot Act and what you're talking about is a little more severe, I think.

How'd you like to be imprisoned by a superior species that views your existence as a series of meals, naps and fucks?

I'm not a vegetarian. I don't even necessarily have a problem with zoos and I do think they make their best effort to offer the animals some kind of decent life. But let's not be coy about this, they're there for our visual consumption and enjoyment, we're not doing these wild animals any favors.

 

[Betticus]

Why do people think that there is something wrong with keeping cute lil animals for our pleasure?

We have such a strange notion of fairness and making things "right" in our world when that is the exact opposite of basic survival instinct.

 

[PublicAffection]

A pride of lions usually claims a territory that can be hundreds of square miles.
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What about man? Each family used to own acres of land, and do with it what they would. Now we live 300 units to a condo-high rise, and work in cubicles with no windows and very little leg-space.

We don't just do it to other species, we've done it to ourselves as well.

 

[DVS]

It sounds like there would be deer mills like there are puppy mills. The mass producing of the animals can make them weak, sickly and suseptible to disease. There are puppu mills around these parts that have been shut down, because the dogs were inbread. That makes the blood line very weak as well as the dogs themselves weak against diseases.

I don't know if these deer would be the same, but something about that ad tells me they are mass producing little deer because the demand is great. The little guy already looks weak by nature. Breeders see big bucks (no pun intended) selling lots of does (again, no pun intended).

 

[Marquis]

What about man? Each family used to own acres of land, and do with it what they would. Now we live 300 units to a condo-high rise, and work in cubicles with no windows and very little leg-space.

We don't just do it to other species, we've done it to ourselves as well.

I live in a high-rise condo.

Because I choose to.

 

[Netzach]

Why do people think that there is something wrong with keeping cute lil animals for our pleasure?

We have such a strange notion of fairness and making things "right" in our world when that is the exact opposite of basic survival instinct.

I have no problem with people keeping stuff they know how to keep. I have a problem when you have pitbull, ferret, sugar glider, bird, and potbelly pig rescues crammed to the gills with the casualties of people who thought a high maintenance pet would be "cool" and have no intention of doing follow through.

 

[intothewoods]

Why do people think that there is something wrong with keeping cute lil animals for our pleasure?

We have such a strange notion of fairness and making things "right" in our world when that is the exact opposite of basic survival instinct.

Define "cute lil animal." A cat is domesticated. Same with dogs. A baby panda looks like a cute little animal to me, but they grow up to be rather vicious. Just because it looks cute doesn't mean it would make a good pet. And more importantly, that deer isn't domesticated. A demand for exotic species as pets provides incentive to poachers. Not to mention the disease factor mentioned earlier.

I don't think I get your basic survival instict comment. Choosing a pet seems to be pretty removed from our basic survival instincts.

 

[graceanne]

I have no problem with people keeping stuff they know how to keep. I have a problem when you have pitbull, ferret, sugar glider, bird, and potbelly pig rescues crammed to the gills with the casualties of people who thought a high maintenance pet would be "cool" and have no intention of doing follow through.

That's one of my biggest complaints about people and pets. I have a friend who's got a medium sized dog, and she keeps him in her single wide trailer. Because my friend is disabled (and she was disabled when she got him) he never goes for walks. The only 'excercise' he gets is when she ties him up in her 50 sq ft yard. I'm sorry - that's abuse. You do not take active larger dogs and pen them in small area. We used to have a 1 acre yard, so we got a lab. When we moved to an apartment I gave her to my mom, cause my mom lives on three acres. I was not going to force my poor dog into a tiny apartment. It would have been hell for everyone involved.

 

[Betticus]

Define "cute lil animal." A cat is domesticated. Same with dogs. A baby panda looks like a cute little animal to me, but they grow up to be rather vicious. Just because it looks cute doesn't mean it would make a good pet. And more importantly, that deer isn't domesticated. A demand for exotic species as pets provides incentive to poachers. Not to mention the disease factor mentioned earlier.

I don't think I get your basic survival instict comment. Choosing a pet seems to be pretty removed from our basic survival instincts.

Survival instinct is to take what we need or think we need. Basic human instinct is to take what you want.

 

[sureibu]

I also want a pygmy marmoset... talk about cute. However the chances of me getting one, like the deerlet, is slim to none. I currently have a no more pets policy, since I created the policy I have to stick to it.

 

[intothewoods]

That's one of my biggest complaints about people and pets. I have a friend who's got a medium sized dog, and she keeps him in her single wide trailer. Because my friend is disabled (and she was disabled when she got him) he never goes for walks. The only 'excercise' he gets is when she ties him up in her 50 sq ft yard. I'm sorry - that's abuse. You do not take active larger dogs and pen them in small area. We used to have a 1 acre yard, so we got a lab. When we moved to an apartment I gave her to my mom, cause my mom lives on three acres. I was not going to force my poor dog into a tiny apartment. It would have been hell for everyone involved.

I can't stand pet owners who do this either.

 

[JMohegan]

Humans are omnivores at the top of the food chain. As such, I personally see no ethical difference between a guy who walks into the woods to shoot an animal for dinner, and the hawk who occasionally swoops down to pick off wild cottontails in my backyard.

But the farther we get from that guy-in-the-woods scenario, the more ethically problematic our behavior becomes.

We put dolphins in tanks because we like to see them jump. Keep parrots in cages because we like the way they talk. Pack cattle in stalls so cramped and unsanitary that they're fed antibiotics with every freakin' meal to fend off illness. Put snakes, hippos, crocodiles, and so many others into cramped, concrete prisons at our zoos. Raise generation after generation of rabbits in small wire cages so we can harvest their fur, or sell them as pets.

Etc.

I agree with Marquis. Pretending that all of this is anything other than the exploitation of animals for our own personal convenience and entertainment is disingenuous at best.

We may draw the line between acceptable and unacceptable treatment in different places, but ultimately nobody's hands are clean. We're just talking about varying shades of cruelty, and lack of compassion in different degrees.

 

[JMohegan]

Why do people think that there is something wrong with keeping cute lil animals for our pleasure?

We have such a strange notion of fairness and making things "right" in our world when that is the exact opposite of basic survival instinct.

Here is information on the leaf muntjac deer, from scientific sources rather than an exotic pet trade-promoting bullshit site.

To answer your question, I think it would be wrong to purchase that deer for a pet because:

1) The idea that an animal suited for a mountainous, dense forest habitat in Asia would be happy in a suburban Arizona home seems pretty freakin' absurd to me.

2) The idea that a creature, who doesn't even socialize with its own species, would be happy cuddling and cavorting with you seems no less ridiculous.

3) I don't know what viruses or diseases are carried with that animal, and don't want to find out by learning that you, your neighbors, your cat, or the bees & butterflies in your yard have fallen ill.

4) I really hate the idea that people tramp through the jungles and forests of this planet with snares, nooses, etc., destroying habitats, decimating species, and transporting them in incredibly cruel conditions. Purchasing an exotic animal encourages people to do just that.

 

[Betticus]

Okay, for all of you PETA members let me rephrase this subject.

I want one of these lil deer as a pet for no other reason than I can do it, it's for my own personal enjoyment.

I am willing to exploit this tiny animal and I won't even give much thought to the feelings of the animal or the wild ones in the forests. I won't worry about diseasing my neighbors pets or the local wildlife. All that matters is that I am happy.

Thank you.

 

[Rosie_Riveter]

Okay, for all of you PETA members let me rephrase this subject.

I want one of these lil deer as a pet for no other reason than I can do it, it's for my own personal enjoyment.

I am willing to exploit this tiny animal and I won't even give much thought to the feelings of the animal or the wild ones in the forests. I won't worry about diseasing my neighbors pets or the local wildlife. All that matters is that I am happy.

Thank you.

Well then. I hope the lil tiny animal bites you on the ass.

 

[Betticus]

Well then. I hope the lil tiny animal bites you on the ass.

No way, it'll love me and be my lil deer subbie.

 

[Life_Noir]

Define "cute lil animal." A cat is domesticated. Same with dogs. A baby panda looks like a cute little animal to me, but they grow up to be rather vicious. Just because it looks cute doesn't mean it would make a good pet. And more importantly, that deer isn't domesticated. A demand for exotic species as pets provides incentive to poachers. Not to mention the disease factor mentioned earlier.

I don't think I get your basic survival instict comment. Choosing a pet seems to be pretty removed from our basic survival instincts.

Mmmm Actually the current scientific decision is that there is no such thing as a domestic cat....
However... There are breeds that we have fucked with to the point where they can no longer survive in the wild at all..
Dogs are domesticated...Cats are not. *lol* And generally don't even fake it well..
*grin*
Now.. one for the other side... There is a periodic ongoing argument about restocking Elk to the Carolina's...Where Elk were one of the native species..
These Elk would come from the western ranges.. Note: Just across the country a bit..Nothing really exotic..
The argument is that the western Elk have parasites that may spread to the Whitetail deer population...
*Shrug*
And that is a situation where there is no question even of it being an "exotic"..

Best negative example of all this happy shite though... The history of New Zealand since the advent of man.

 

[graceanne]

a suburban Arizona home seems pretty freakin' absurd to me.

Not to be picky, but Betticus lives in New Mexico.

 

[graceanne]

No way, it'll love me and be my lil deer subbie.

Admit it, you like being bit on the ass. Perv.

 

[Betticus]

Admit it, you like being bit on the ass. Perv.

What? There's no law against that!

 

[graceanne]

What? There's no law against that!

I'm gonna te-ell! I'm gonna te-ell.

 

[intothewoods]

Mmmm Actually the current scientific decision is that there is no such thing as a domestic cat....
However... There are breeds that we have fucked with to the point where they can no longer survive in the wild at all..
Dogs are domesticated...Cats are not. *lol* And generally don't even fake it well..
*grin*
Now.. one for the other side... There is a periodic ongoing argument about restocking Elk to the Carolina's...Where Elk were one of the native species..
These Elk would come from the western ranges.. Note: Just across the country a bit..Nothing really exotic..
The argument is that the western Elk have parasites that may spread to the Whitetail deer population...
*Shrug*
And that is a situation where there is no question even of it being an "exotic"..

Best negative example of all this happy shite though... The history of New Zealand since the advent of man.

I have no doubt mine could survive on his own. He's the boss of me. He also didn't cost $500.

 

[Betticus]

I'm gonna te-ell! I'm gonna te-ell.

You hush up there!

 

[intothewoods]

Okay, for all of you PETA members let me rephrase this subject.

I want one of these lil deer as a pet for no other reason than I can do it, it's for my own personal enjoyment.

I am willing to exploit this tiny animal and I won't even give much thought to the feelings of the animal or the wild ones in the forests. I won't worry about diseasing my neighbors pets or the local wildlife. All that matters is that I am happy.

Thank you.

You're welcome?

 

[Netzach]

I have no doubt mine could survive on his own. He's the boss of me. He also didn't cost $500.

Mine was free.

Till the vet bill.