Cruz & DeSantis Propose Term Limits Amendment

[ifrtbttrflys]

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in the Senate and Representative Ron DeSantis (R-FL) in the House introduced a Joint Resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution on Tuesday, January 3, 2017, which would limit Senators to two six-year terms and Representatives to three two-year terms. Currently, there are no limits.

If the proposed amendment is approved by two-thirds of the House (290) and two-thirds of the Senate (67), it then goes to the States for possible ratification where three-fourths of the State legislatures (38) must vote for it within seven years of it having passed out of Congress. If that happens, at the moment of ratification it would then instantly become Amendment XXVIII (28) of the Constitution for the United States of America.

Read the short Joint Resolution here:

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20170103_TermLimitsBill.pdf


52 Republicans, 46 Democrats, and 2 Independents comprise the Senate.

241 Republicans and 194 Democrats comprise the House of Representatives.

32 State legislatures are controlled by Republicans

12 State legislatures are controlled by Democrats

6 State legislatures are split

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nor should there be.



The people of a region deserve to get what they vote for.

 

[about_average]

I thought republicans were against a nanny state.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I say draft pols like draft army recruits.

 

[jaF0]

Term limits should be strictly enforced on every elected office at all levels nationwide. Two terms and out. Minimum of the equivalent of two terms before eligible for any other office at the same level of government.

Goal is to end career politicians. Make 'em get real jobs in between rippin' off the people.

 

[Wrong Element]

No chance. I'm old enough to remember the original conservative push for congressional term limits, but that lost about 99% of its appeal sometime in early 1995.


I'd go the other direction and repeal the 22nd Amendment instead.

 

[pointless]

Term limits should be strictly enforced on every elected office at all levels nationwide. Two terms and out. Minimum of the equivalent of two terms before eligible for any other office at the same level of government.

Goal is to end career politicians. Make 'em get real jobs in between rippin' off the people.

but that doesn't work. they just use their connections to get cushy corporate jobs or they become full on lobbyists so they can still meddle in our affairs.

 

[Conager]

I say draft pols like draft army recruits.

Mencken would agree with you. We really couldn't do any worse with just random citizens. Just make it like jury duty.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I thought republicans were against a nanny state.

Which thread do you think you are replying to?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Mencken would agree with you. We really couldn't do any worse with just random citizens. Just make it like jury duty.

What did Wm F. Buckley say about the Boston phone book?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Term limits should be strictly enforced on every elected office at all levels nationwide. Two terms and out. Minimum of the equivalent of two terms before eligible for any other office at the same level of government.

Goal is to end career politicians. Make 'em get real jobs in between rippin' off the people.

It doesn't, it just promotes them without merit.

You just run for the next higher office because that person has to leave too...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No chance. I'm old enough to remember the original conservative push for congressional term limits, but that lost about 99% of its appeal sometime in early 1995.


I'd go the other direction and repeal the 22nd Amendment instead.

I'd repeal the 17th...

 

[Liar]

I say draft pols like draft army recruits.

Only if there's some serious civics boot camp.

 

[pointless]

we don't do civics in the states anymore.

why? fuck if i know.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I would suggest that it makes people more open to the progressive agenda...

 

[Sean]

Term limits are inherently anti-democratic.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I say draft pols like draft army recruits.

Or like jury duty. That's called "sortition." Random selection was used a lot in ancient Athens to fill offices for very short terms.

But if we use it we won't have a Congress, we'll have a focus group, unqualified to do anything more than vote up or down on Administration proposals.

 

[KingOrfeo]

ISTM that if we have term limits, they should not be lifetime limits. Serve one term and you're out -- that destroys the advantage of incumbency -- but after sitting out a term you can run for another. It is very important to have experienced pols in Congress, not "citizen legislators."

 

[KingOrfeo]

Mencken would agree with you.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

ISTM that if we have term limits, they should not be lifetime limits. Serve one term and you're out -- that destroys the advantage of incumbency -- but after sitting out a term you can run for another. It is very important to have experienced pols in Congress, not "citizen legislators."

It doesn't, it just promotes them without merit.

You just run for the next higher office because that person has to leave too...

Same difference.

Experienced pols have us to the point that people are calling for term limits. It doesn't matter how you solve the problem of Congress when Congress comes and goes, but the bureaucracy is eternal and increasingly in charge...

 

[jaF0]

The purpose of term limits is to change the blood, not recycle it.

Do we really want Mitch and Newt swinging from House to Senate and back every few years? No, we want them out, period.

 

[ifrtbttrflys]

Term limits are inherently anti-democratic.

Which is definitely one of their most endearing appeals to a republican form of government, which America is purposely constituted as: America was legally founded as "anti-democratic".

In fact, another socialist would also be correct in stating that the Constitution's entire amendment process is "inherently anti-democratic", since common citizens ("common" = non-elected in this case) have no direct say in the amendment process.

An October 26, 2016 Rasmussen national telephone survey found 74% favored term limits, 13% didn't, with 13% undecided. That majority is similar to almost all other polls on the issue.

More Voters Than Ever Want Term Limits for Congress
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...oters_than_ever_want_term_limits_for_congress

The US federal government is virtually totally corrupted by political Party partisanship today - Americans understand that in unity probably better than any other issue.

There is, frankly, no better practical (compared to philosophical) tool available right now than term limits to not only begin cleaning out this long accumulated, COLLECTIVE corruption, but also to begin addressing the socialist's "democracy" disease which has been allowed to cripple this nation for far, far too long.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The purpose of term limits is to change the blood, not recycle it.

Do we really want Mitch and Newt swinging from House to Senate and back every few years? No, we want them out, period.

But if they're out, who's in? Not "citizen legislators," I hope. Government is complicated and should be left to career politicians, professional specialists.

 

[phrodeau]

But if they're out, who's in? Not "citizen legislators," I hope. Government is complicated and should be left to career politicians, professional specialists.

We need to think more modern.

Let's hire contractors to govern for us. Then, if they fail to do the job the way we want, we can refuse to pay them.

 

[Conager]

But if they're out, who's in? Not "citizen legislators," I hope. Government is complicated and should be left to career politicians, professional specialists.

Other than having been marginal lawyers what is it about professional politicians other than their ability to steal from the treasury that makes them uniquely qualified to run government?

You do realize that these marginal lawyers don't actually write one single word of the legislation that has passed? It is all written by better lawyers than them who are hired as lobbyists.

The legislature does have oversight over the bureaucracy but they do it so seldome that it is edsentially never. They leave it to the bureaucrats who are the fourth branch of government to do as they wish despite citizen objections.