Cross vs. Mosque

[off2bed]

A simple cross in the Mojave Desert that happens to be on federal land that isn't being used for anything has to be removed.

But a Muslim place of worship has to be built on the site of a Muslim terror attack on New York.

Why?

 

[busybody..]

http://www.moonbattery.com/Ground-Zero-Mosque-Imam-Feisal-Abdul-Rauf-small.jpg

because a CROSS is a sign of EVIL!

DUMMY!

 

[off2bed]

You lefties say the mosque is ok because we must show we are a nation tolerant of all religions.

Why doesn't that apply to the Mojave Desert cross?

Because it's on federal land?

Why is it ok to defile ground zero with an offensive memorial to those who caused it, but not ok to put a cross that offends atheists on land owned by the government?

WTF is the difference?

 

[busybody..]

 

[off2bed]

Well? What is the difference?

 

[busybody..]

well

clearly one is ON Fed land

and some such BS

the other is private land

you know

SOME BS LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[off2bed]

What about the Islamic crescent pointing toward Mecca at the Flight 93 Memorial? That's a National Park. Federal land.

 

[off2bed]

Islam proves that might makes right.

They go ballistic and kill 3000 people, and the left is terrified to say no to them ever again. The Muzzies get their way. It's how they do things.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

A simple cross in the Mojave Desert that happens to be on federal land that isn't being used for anything has to be removed.

But a Muslim place of worship has to be built on the site of a Muslim terror attack on New York.

Why?

Because the cross was on Federal Land and the Constitution forbids the State from recognizing a religion.

Because people have a right to practice their religion and the Constitution protects that.

It's the same fucking Amendment, you idiot.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

A simple cross in the Mojave Desert that happens to be on federal land that isn't being used for anything has to be removed.

But a Muslim place of worship has to be built on the site of a Muslim terror attack on New York.

Why?

And you know it isn't being built on the site, right?

And, even it were, so fucking what?

If you'd like to fight to about this meet me at a Mosque.

There's one in the Pentagon.

 

[Wrong Element]

You lefties say the mosque is ok because we must show we are a nation tolerant of all religions.

Why doesn't that apply to the Mojave Desert cross?

Because it's on federal land?

Why is it ok to defile ground zero with an offensive memorial to those who caused it, but not ok to put a cross that offends atheists on land owned by the government?

WTF is the difference?

YES!!

Good God, you're an idiot.

 

[busybody..]

What about the Islamic crescent pointing toward Mecca at the Flight 93 Memorial? That's a National Park. Federal land.

I was KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But DCL shows that DUMMIES abound!

 

[busybody..]

well

clearly one is ON Fed land

and some such BS

the other is private land

you know

SOME BS LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see?

I KNEW IT!

 

[richard_daily]

The Cage Match To End All Cage Matches!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

If this were a real thread, by a real poster, with a real thought in his real mother-fucking head, it would be titled "Church vs. Mosque" and he'd be asking "How come Liberals allow this Mosque at Ground Zero, but fight against anyone, anywhere, putting up a Christian Church!"

But because that doesn't happen, he has to invent this bullshit "Controversy!"

 

[off2bed]

And you know it isn't being built on the site, right?

Part of the landing gear fell on the site. It's ground zero.

How is a privately funded cross next to a vacant desert highway "government recognizing a religion"? You do realize what the amendment means, right? It means the government won't establish (not "recognize," you stupid fucking moron) a Church of America like the Anglican Church. It doesn't mean all religions (except Islam) must be banished from federal property. Only intolerant misguided ignorant people who despise all religions (except Islam) believe that.

 

[busybody..]

Part of the landing gear fell on the site. It's ground zero.

How is a privately funded cross next to a vacant desert highway "government recognizing a religion"? You do realize what the amendment means, right? It means the government won't establish (not "recognize," you stupid fucking moron) a Church of America like the Anglican Church. It doesn't mean all religions (except Islam) must be banished from federal property. Only intolerant misguided ignorant people who despise all religions (except Islam) believe that.

you diminsh yourself

when you engage them

 

[off2bed]

you diminsh yourself

when you engage them

Cockroaches still have to be exterminated. That doesn't make me a cockroach.

 

[busybody..]

Cockroaches still have to be exterminated. That doesn't make me a cockroach.

but

your

shoes

get

dirty


YOU KNOW THE ANSWER

WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Part of the landing gear fell on the site. It's ground zero.

Just a note to everyone living left of the GW -- please stop calling it "Ground Zero" and acting like it's Christian Jerusalem. If you keep parking here we're just going to fucking tow you to Queens.

How is a privately funded cross next to a vacant desert highway "government recognizing a religion"?

It is, but in a weenie way, and I don't disagree with the Court's assessment that, in this particular case, the cross carried meanings "other" than religious. If the court had decided it was purely a Christian symbol it would have been removed.

establish[/B] (not "recognize," you stupid fucking moron) a Church of America like the Anglican Church. It doesn't mean all religions (except Islam) must be banished from federal property. Only intolerant misguided ignorant people who despise all religions (except Islam) believe that.

"Recognize" is correct, and I used the word specifically, because recognizing a specific faith is one way to "establish" a religion. Not by filing papers in court or granting a license, which isn't what the clause means, but by "recognizing" the ascendancy of one religion over another. It DOES mean all religions are to be banned from Federal property, though "God" is allowed. Which is why you can remove the Ten commandments, because it "recognizes" Judaism and Christianity as "more than" other faiths. Recognition of this kind is HOW you establish religion.

I'll put "recognize" into quotes one more time, just to piss you off.

 

[richard_daily]

Cockroaches still have to be exterminated. That doesn't make me a cockroach.

Yeah, I wouldn't insult cockroaches like that either...

 

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[where]

Part of the landing gear fell on the site. It's ground zero.

parts of the 9/11 attack fell all over the place. does that make the whole of NYC exempt from building religious establishments?

 

[satindesire]

Here's the logical argument for this situation.

We, in the US, have rules. Rules that makes sure that we can say pretty much whatever we want, worship whoever or whatever we want to, and practice our religions on our own time in our own private property.

It doesn't LEGALLY matter if it's insensitive, or that it'll cause pain to some people who lost friends or family in the attack. The fact of the matter is, the rules in the US state that it's perfectly legal for them to build their mosque there if they want to, and if the government interferes with the mosque building, that would be ILLEGAL and against the rules that protects EVERYONE ELSE from building their religious buildings anywhere else.

This isn't about feelings, emotions, or who's gonna cry because of it.

All rules have to apply equally to all people, or the freedom that makes the US such a wonderful country to live in isn't REAL FREEDOM.

If you want to protest the mosque building, go to NY and protest. But don't try and get the government to do your dirty work for you because you're too lazy to do it yourself. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST, but you don't have the right to ask Obama to do it for you.

End of thread.

 

[unregistered]