Creative Punishement..

[D's mariposa]

I scanned through the library and didn't see a similar thread, but if there is and I missed it, sorry.

In Rough Play's thread, I had mentioned that D would with hold lovely wonderful spanking and such as punishment, and JM had echoed that sentiment. So now I'm wondering. Since "traditional" punishments elicit orgasms and other happy things, what would you do (or what would your Pick YOur Dominant Label do.) as punishment?

D has threatened to make me stand in a corner, or he'll take me to a play party nekkid except that he'll write whatever my transgression was across my chest. Or even worse.. I have a pathological hatred of oatmeal. I will NOT eat it. If I was on Survivor and someone said, "have a nice hot bowl of oatmeal or go out into the wilderness and hunt for bugs.." I'd say "hand me a shovel so I can go dig me some grub(s)..."

So D has reserved that for a really bad punishment.

(thanks AA for the PYDL moniker, it was inspired by your PYL comment elsewhere.)

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I made her change her AV to a duncecap for a few days...mostly, I make her sit next to me, but don't let her touch me or talk to me.

 

[Ebonyfire]

I don't punish, I discipline. If punishment is necessary, it is usually kick-him-to-the-curb time.

But one of my faves is using him as a foot stool while I watch TV.

If the back arches I have My crop to remind him by a whack to the nutsack. Very effective.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I don't punish, I discipline. If punishment is necessary, it is usually kick-him-to-the-curb time.

LMAO...

 

[Ebonyfire]

LMAO...

I liked the bit about the whack to the nutsack best!

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... (thanks AA for the PYDL moniker, it was inspired by your PYL comment elsewhere.)

quite welcome.

Ignore a gregarious animal, and you cut them to the core. The harshest form of punishment, vanilla or otherwise, will always be death, but what worse hell on earth for a pyl than to be ignored? Eb kicks them to the curb, and JM refuses contact. Do the rest of us need to chime in with different variations of the same theme?

i'm not trying to kill the thread, nor hijack it, but show me a worse censure, and you get the Brite Lite award for the day.

 

[A Desert Rose]

"Whip me,
Beat me,
Make me write bad checks."

 

[enigma nocturne]

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quite welcome.

Ignore a gregarious animal, and you cut them to the core. The harshest form of punishment, vanilla or otherwise, will always be death, but what worse hell on earth for a pyl than to be ignored? Eb kicks them to the curb, and JM refuses contact. Do the rest of us need to chime in with different variations of the same theme?

i'm not trying to kill the thread, nor hijack it, but show me a worse censure, and you get the Brite Lite award for the day.

Flog someone else and make the misbehaving one watch?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

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Flog someone else and make the misbehaving one watch?

Newp ... talk to the polies here, wouldn't work.

 

[niteshade]

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Newp ... talk to the polies here, wouldn't work.

It might take the ignoring to a higher level... not only refusing to talk to them or pay attention to them, but making them watch while You give Your attention to someone else. I am pretty sure that it would work for me. I can handle long periods of silence... I can take being ignored as I like being alone and could probably put myself in the right mindset to play mental games to distract myself. However, watching my pyl (that really is great, btw) play with another, while I am not allowed to participate, am totally ignored but expected to watch? I would never screw up that way again.

Edited to add that I like playing with others, so I guess that makes me a poly.

 

[catalina_francisco]

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It might take the ignoring to a higher level... not only refusing to talk to them or pay attention to them, but making them watch while You give Your attention to someone else. I am pretty sure that it would work for me. I can handle long periods of silence... I can take being ignored as I like being alone and could probably put myself in the right mindset to play mental games to distract myself. However, watching my pyl (that really is great, btw) play with another, while I am not allowed to participate, am totally ignored but expected to watch? I would never screw up that way again.

Edited to add that I like playing with others, so I guess that makes me a poly.

You echoed my thoughts perfectly. I am a loner of lifetime proportions, so being alone with my thoughts is often more of a reward than punishment. Only problem is, if I had to watch as he paid attention to another, depending on my mood of course, I could be just as difficult as I might just find it either fascinating and thought provoking, or a turn on. Is one of my fantasies, but needs the right timing I guess.

Catalina

 

[Ebonyfire]

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quite welcome.

Ignore a gregarious animal, and you cut them to the core. The harshest form of punishment, vanilla or otherwise, will always be death, but what worse hell on earth for a pyl than to be ignored? Eb kicks them to the curb, and JM refuses contact. Do the rest of us need to chime in with different variations of the same theme?

i'm not trying to kill the thread, nor hijack it, but show me a worse censure, and you get the Brite Lite award for the day.

Who said the goal was to find a "worse censure"? I for one, do not give a shit about censuring a sub. They behave to my standards or they get kicked to the curb. If they want to play games by a Sony PlayStation.

 

[niteshade]

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Who said the goal was to find a "worse censure"? I for one, do not give a shit about censuring a sub. They behave to my standards or they get kicked to the curb. If they want to play games by a Sony PlayStation.

I think they are going more on the basis of a more emotional relationship than you seem to require, Eb. If I am correct, they mean a relationship that is not based completely on service, as you have stated yours are. Maybe more along the line of your nilla relationship... If he fucks up hard core, you are going to let him know you were displeased, no?

If your emotions are involved, it would, IMO, be harder to "kick them to the curb" than to try and fix the behavior that you disagree with, unless it is such a large issue that you just can not handle being with that person anymore. I think punishment happens in nilla relationships too... and in the same manner described here, whether it is so openly stated or not.

How many of us have heard someone say they are "in the doghouse" with their s/o, and she is being a bitch, or being cold, or playing ice princess? Or that they have been banished to the couch, or have not had sex in a week cause she/he is pissed?

Just my opinion.

 

[s'lara]

The punishment is dependent upon the sub at hand.

You don't flog a masosub in an effort to express Your displeasure. Again, the creativity starts with what is known about the submissive/slave/bottom.

i do believe psychological punishments tend to be the worst. Some have been mentioned (isolation/isolation in plain view of others, etc.) and those (to me) were the toughest. You can't assauge those pains with an ointment or a balm.

Still ... a chance at redemption doesn't hurt. Especially if the punishment is on an emotional level such as with isolation.

lara

 

[AngelicAssassin]

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Who said the goal was to find a "worse censure"?

i did.

i wanted to hear what others who hadn't responded might pick.

 

[Ebonyfire]

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i did.

i wanted to hear what others who hadn't responded might pick.

Oh I am sure they will be along soon with tales of how much they love to hate the punishments their dominant gives them when they are "bad".

 

[Ebonyfire]

I am being sarcastic cause after all punishment is a negative outcome, and if it fails to be negative, then it is not punishment but discipline or play or whatever you want to call it.
So being creative is not as important as being effective. Unless punishment is used as a game, again then it is not punishment......

 

[A Desert Rose]

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Oh I am sure they will be along soon with tales of how much they love to hate the punishments their dominant gives them when they are "bad".

LMAO... okay Eb, you win in the sardonic category, hands down... you beat me. (ohhhhhh yes, beat me....)

I have to go to dinner now. I will be sure and catch up again real soon.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

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Oh I am sure they will be along soon with tales of how much they love to hate the punishments their dominant gives them when they are "bad".

Perhaps. Then again, i might get a little enlightenment out of their answers as well.

Catalina and niteshade already corrected one perception on the poly point of view for me. Odd how much of mind game a pyl can play upon themselves with little outside intervention.

 

[cellis]

For myself, if I were made to watch Himself play with out playmate and I could not participate but just was only able to watch... I would find that to a form of punishment indeed... especially if He told during the process that I could have been in her place or along side her, if I had done what I was supposed to do or if I had not done or behaved as i had to warrant such discipline...

For us it is never about punishment... there is no growth or learning in punishment... for us it is about discipline... and training... and growth....

 

[Ebonyfire]

For myself, if I were made to watch Himself play with out playmate and I could not participate but just was only able to watch... I would find that to a form of punishment indeed... especially if He told during the process that I could have been in her place or along side her, if I had done what I was supposed to do or if I had not done or behaved as i had to warrant such discipline...

I bet that would be hard for many subs, cellis. Good example.

 

[Ebonyfire]

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If your emotions are involved, it would, IMO, be harder to "kick them to the curb" than to try and fix the behavior that you disagree with, unless it is such a large issue that you just can not handle being with that person anymore

I believe an emotional Dom/me is a Dom out of control, and therefore can give his or her power away, which allows a sub to be passive aggressive. The result is the sub learns to manipulate the Dom/me to get punishment, even though the sub may abhor the punishment being meted out. It is control, pure and simple.

Emotions are always involved in a functioning D/s relationship. Loss of controll is something all together different.

I kick a sub to the curb when he deserves it. Make of that what you will. The sub knows exactly why he is being dismissed.

As for "fixing a behavour", that is not what this thread is about. It is about punishment. Punishment is not good for correction.

I did not say I do not "correct" My subs. As usual, assumptions have been made on what I really did say.

 

[His_sugar]

I can't say I have ever been punished. Corrected yes. Made to see the error of my ways? Of course.

Pain doesn't work as a punishment for me, it is what I crave. Silence, as they say is golden. It would be a horrible punishment.. however, I am lucky to have a Dom that doesn't believe in silence as a punishment. He is an excellent communicator and sometimes I think His evil mind knows that actually discussing the problem is worse than silence. It forces me to face issues head on.

 

[D's mariposa]

Re: Re: Creative Punishement..

quite welcome.

Ignore a gregarious animal, and you cut them to the core. The harshest form of punishment, vanilla or otherwise, will always be death, but what worse hell on earth for a pyl than to be ignored? Eb kicks them to the curb, and JM refuses contact. Do the rest of us need to chime in with different variations of the same theme?

But then again it does depend on the pyl... Due to the way the sperm donor "raised" his female children (and I am being exceedingly generous phrasing it that way...) ignoring me totally would bring an emotional response response that would not be appropriate to the crime. You had said that it would be hell on earth to be ignored. After the way I grew up, too much of that sort of hell on earth would result in me ending it, permanently.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thought in my present state I may have missed something so checked the dictionary and found listed as a definition under discipline was punishment. According to Oxford discipline is a set oforders or rules which are meant to control, of which punishment is the more action oriented part which reinforces trained obedience in the subject when they transgress from the set pattern. So it still remains for me as much as I do not like punishment, nor do I ever seek it, I am not perfect and sometimes attract his punishment as part of my training process aimed at becoming the slave he requires and deserves.

Catalina