Cracker Q

[Goodnaturedguy]

I'm guessing I won't get an answer lol. How do you crack a password for a porn site?

 

[Bobmi357]

Most of the sites that offer passwords aren't really giving away a true password. If you're really lucky and have a buddy that is subscribed to a porn site, you could "borrow" his password/login.

There are plenty of resources online that describe the process of truly hacking into a website. But beware, its not as simple as just plugging in a few entries on a keyboard and walking away while a program runs.

Most breakins occur because the system administrator failed to keep the system current with all the necessary security patches.

I will also warn ya that hacking is a federal crime punishable by both a fine and a prison term. Its something you really want to think long and hard about before you get yourself involved in it.

 

[Goodnaturedguy]

I cvan't even type with two fingers I doybt I'll be hacking anytime soon. I guess I was hopeing some benevolunt member would give me a password. Yeah I know asking for handouts is of poor character, what can I say, thers something about the internet that makes getting free stuff sort of ok. Like the 2000 songs I have.

 

[sheath]

*grumbling...*

S.

 

[diorama]

i'm not sure where i stand on the whole free music over the internet thing. i mean, i didn't used to care, and in fact i still do it myself, justifying it with the fact that i do always buy the cds of those i think need and deserve it.... but now i have my own band i feel different about it, like 'don't copy his cd, it's only £2, just buy one, here! now!' I come over all possessive.

 

[Goodnaturedguy]

I only download old stuff so I don't think I'm actually taking any money out of anyones hands. And of course people should get paid for their creativity and hard work.

Plus I still buy cd's too. I honestly don't think I'm hurting anyone. Has music sales gone down since Napster?

 

[sheath]

Plus I still buy cd's too. I honestly don't think I'm hurting anyone. Has music sales gone down since Napster?

Yes. The music industry has been in a downturn for the last four years. Though consumers blame it on the high prices of CDs, they often don't consider WHY those prices are so high. One of the forerunning answers: internet downloading.

Royalties go on forever. Someone gets paid for that work, whether it be the record label, an heir of the artist, the musicians who worked on the album...SOMEONE gets paid. Even if you download 'older stuff', it is still taking money out of someone's pocket.

Internet downloading was originally offered by record companies, in hopes that a sample of a few songs might entice consumers to purchase the albums. Since then, it has become an industry that takes millions out of the pockets of musicians, recording artists, and songwriters (*sigh*) every single year.

When you consider that an artist does NOT make the majority of the sticker price for that album...and that the sales generated are channeled into many different directions for payment of those who contributed to the album...the loss of many sales means more than what you might think. Besides that, the record labels are not turning out as many gold and platinum albums...(gold: 500,000 units sold. Platinum: One million units sold.) When an artist goes through two or three albums and not a one hits platinum, the record label begins to reconsider whether or not they should allow that artist to remain under their contract.

For instance: A friend of mine has released an album on the country charts. It was released in April of 2002. By the record label merit listing, he has sold almost 400,000 copies. BUT. In a study of how much of his music has been downloaded, it is the equivalent of 120,000 albums. Assuming that only ten to twenty percent of downloaders actually BUY the albums (based on a study run by Universal South Music Group in late 2002), that means that my friend SHOULD have a gold album by now. But he doesn't, and that is hurting his postiion with the record label. He has kids to feed and a big mortgage to pay. He's just trying to make a living...but unfortunately, he might not be able to count on his contract much longer.

It's just one example of what internet downloads can do to the artist. I'm strongly for artist rights. I have seen many friends struggle to make a living in a business that caters more toward the 'big names' than the real talents, and downloads only adds to the bigger problem of bad record company structuring.

I tell everyone I know...please...if you are going to download, make sure that you download ONLY what the record labels actually offer, usually via artist websites. Do not pay someone else for the work! And if you like what you hear, please...buy the CD. It means a lot more to an artist than you might think.

S.

 

[Etoile]

I was wondering when we'd see you check in on this, sheath!

 

[sheath]

I was wondering when we'd see you check in on this, sheath!

S.

 

[Bobmi357]

I too must take a stand that copying music online is theft. I don't care if you're copying a program, a novel or the latest song from the latest in group. Its still theft.

I'm not big into music, but I do write and market server based software. Its quite painful to me to find one of my programs floating around on a download site, knowing full well that each one of those downloads could have been money in my pocket. I've even had to abandon some programs that I've released because they hit the ftp sites.

Maybe Madonna can afford to let her music be downloaded, but I sure can't.

 

[serebreal]

If you care about the artist, go to one of their concerts and pay the $60 a ticket. Then they get some *dollars* into their pocket, instead of just a few cents as in the case of a CD.

Most famously, TLC, after their album Waterfall went platinum plus, actually owed their label money (in the six-figures range). The rediculously low royalties they got, combined with the fact that the artist must pay most of the studio and marketing fees, means that buying a CD only feeds the record execs. Why is P. Diddy worth 120 mil, and Dave Mathews only a small fraction of that? P Diddy owns his own record label.

Record companies are fucking evil, and if you aren't helping to kill them off, you're evil also. If you like the artist, 'steal' their music and PayPal them a dollar. It's generally 2-4x what they would get if you actually bought the CD. The only crook involved is the record label.

 

[isshogai7]

i don't advocate downloading music,but i still can't accept a cd has such a price.I won't mention the fact that the finished product's cost is under $5,but i mainly say that is not correct to make the customer pay a tax on virgin registration tools(like blank tapes and cds),especially if the names producing them are involved in the music industry(case in point:sony,aka cbs,aka tdk).In my country there's a 20% tax,since the music products are considered a luxury, and another one for the tv ads that a customer must pay.The last one is a theft.The ARTIST PAYS the record label to have some kind of publicity.The CUSTOMER PAYS to SEE the same publicity.How do you call this?
Another thing:music business is based on hype to create success.Insane amounts of money are spent for that;not many people can afford such a policy,that has created many monsters and bizarre situations.Ever asked to yourself why one atist takes most of the grammys?(the artist in question has created movement,therefore pushing other artists on the same rooster to sell more cd's).
Dweezil Zappa did put out a cd years ago.Instead of spend money on a video with no chance of being put in rotation,his mother did buy a space for an ad on prime time national television.In the late 80's,the Poison video was in rotation 23 times a day.Sooner or later,the song was drilled in national youth's minds,creating an hit.Other artists did get ONE pass at 2.30 in the morning.Same with other big names.And if that would have happened in Russia,ther would have been a talk of "brainwashing" people.
Sorry ,a little off topic.Many cd's have just a couple of good songs in them,many don't have even the artists play on them(remember milli vanilli?it's a standard practice,in music);with their price, less and less people are inclined to spend bucks on young talents or some obscure artist(i do,it broadens my tastes).For the mass,music is a DECORATION OF FRAGMENTS OF TIME between the other things they're doing.A more reasonable price and some kind of open mind would help a lot.You can't beat the downloading,since too many people think they're smart doing that.Having things for free.It's a battle as old as the world itself.
Lowering the price can be a small way to cope with that.

Only problem,artists will get less an less money. ,in a world where you need to go platinum to survive.If you have a gold record,detracting all the expenses,in a four piece band the net income per year wuould amout to about 900$ a month,like a regular employee.So much for the glitter and the babes in jacuzzi's.And no jets:david bowie did most of his US touring in a bus.Ah,"Fame",.........

 

[Noor]

Many people, even musicians who are rolling in money and royalties, tour by bus. I suspect it is not a money issue but one of conveniece.

I saw this on line this am:
Purchase and download "n.e.w.s." now for only $7.00 exclusively from MSN and Prince!
http://entertainment.msn.com/netcal/?netcal=370

 

[Etoile]

I too must take a stand that copying music online is theft. I don't care if you're copying a program, a novel or the latest song from the latest in group. Its still theft.

My only complaint with this is the 'novel' bit. Project Gutenberg and the prevalence of e-books result in not too many novels being traded illegally.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Yes. The music industry has been in a downturn for the last four years. Though consumers blame it on the high prices of CDs, they often don't consider WHY those prices are so high. One of the forerunning answers: internet downloading.

Of course the record companies blame internet downloading when sales aren't high - despite the fact there may have been about only half a dozen albums worth buying in the last four years.

Internet downloading was originally offered by record companies, in hopes that a sample of a few songs might entice consumers to purchase the albums

I'd really like to see a source that backs this claim up.

 

[SnowCrash101]

I'm guessing I won't get an answer lol. How do you crack a password for a porn site?

There are still channels in IRC for swapping porn passwords. The best thing to do is register in one site, and swap that password for access to other sites.

Regarding the music piracy... Well, I am in Asia--digital piracy capital of the world. I am aware of the moral issues, but I am a music junkie. Like all junkies, morality goes out of the window just to get a fix. So there... I am a self-confess Kazaa dependent.

 

[sheath]

Another thing:music business is based on hype to create success.Insane amounts of money are spent for that;not many people can afford such a policy,that has created many monsters and bizarre situations.Ever asked to yourself why one atist takes most of the grammys?(the artist in question has created movement,therefore pushing other artists on the same rooster to sell more cd's).
Dweezil Zappa did put out a cd years ago.Instead of spend money on a video with no chance of being put in rotation,his mother did buy a space for an ad on prime time national television.In the late 80's,the Poison video was in rotation 23 times a day.Sooner or later,the song was drilled in national youth's minds,creating an hit.Other artists did get ONE pass at 2.30 in the morning.Same with other big names.And if that would have happened in Russia,ther would have been a talk of "brainwashing" people.
Sorry ,a little off topic.Many cd's have just a couple of good songs in them,many don't have even the artists play on them(remember milli vanilli?it's a standard practice,in music);with their price, less and less people are inclined to spend bucks on young talents or some obscure artist(i do,it broadens my tastes).For the mass,music is a DECORATION OF FRAGMENTS OF TIME between the other things they're doing.A more reasonable price and some kind of open mind would help a lot.You can't beat the downloading,since too many people think they're smart doing that.Having things for free.It's a battle as old as the world itself.
Lowering the price can be a small way to cope with that.

Only problem,artists will get less an less money. ,in a world where you need to go platinum to survive.If you have a gold record,detracting all the expenses,in a four piece band the net income per year wuould amout to about 900$ a month,like a regular employee.So much for the glitter and the babes in jacuzzi's.And no jets:david bowie did most of his US touring in a bus.Ah,"Fame",.........

Since I'm not sure of the laws and taxes in your country, I really cannot comment on the first part of your statement here. I'm not knowledgable enough about that situation to do so.

The rest of it, though, I'll give it a go...

I agree, the music business lately is based on hype to some degree. That's the reason promotion truly fucking SUCKS when it comes from the record labels rather than outside sources. Since my area is in the country music/blues country genre, that's the only genre I can really comment on and know that I'm accurate. So...take Shania Twain, for example. She is on a label that is a small division of Universal, a behemoth of a company. The budget that is allotted to her label is pretty fucking poor. However...she maintains enough promotion to have not one, not two, but five (at least, lol) versions of her album recorded. FIVE versions. While other hitmakers in the country genre are basically ignored...Mark Wills and Steve Azar, to make a pretty clear point. Wills has seen enough hits to release a very respectable 'Greatest Hits' album. No fluff there...just good music. But promotion? Zip. Zilch. None. And quite frankly, in the country genre, Twain's work is shit. But all the promotion dollars are funneled into Shania. Why? She generates more sales as a cross-over artist. In the meantime, she is destroying the very core of the country music movement back to traditional roots. Hello, big money; goodbye, music with integrity.

I'm really not sure where you come up with the end of that statement...where you venture into actual dollar amounts an artists makes from a particular album. Since every contract is different, it's impossible to put a dollar amount out there as a general rule for what an artist makes. Where do you get the numbers for an artist with a gold record? It all depends on that particular contract, and the contract of their players. So I can't agree with the last statement.

And if you would, please clarify the statement about artists not performing on their own albums? Milli Vanilli was not the norm, I don't believe. What other artists have been accused and found guilty of this practice?

And tour buses...hell, there are many reasons why. I'm sure there are other reasons than these I am naming here...these are the ones I can throw out there from my own personal experience. My man, for example, would NOT take a plane. No way. Traveling by bus is much more desirable. In the US, it is a matter of convenience. When you fly, you have to carry your whole band...your equipment...and you have to then rent a van to carry all that once you get to your destination. In the case of large bands, you are traveling with at least one bus for the band and a tractor-trailer full of equipment. Put that on a plane? Hell, why bother. It's much easier to load it into a bus and hit the road. Plus, being on the road allows you greater access to your fans...more time to work on serious songwriting and such for upcoming albums...time to practice your craft...and a much easier life than jetting around. Besides that, it does save money in many cases.

No, it's not glamorous. It's a job that quite often takes an artist away from his home for weeks or months at a time. It's something that takes one hell of a lot of heart to keep going. But for someone who lives to bring their artistry to a crowd of screaming fans, it's worth the lifestyle.

S.

 

[sheath]

Of course the record companies blame internet downloading when sales aren't high - despite the fact there may have been about only half a dozen albums worth buying in the last four years.

Howdy, Spin. Nice to see you venturing out of the GB.

Good point. The labels are falling quite often into the trap of pushing more music to generate more sales, not pushing BETTER music to generate more sales. But of course, why would they? The better music would only be downloaded.

I like the direction that Mercury and other labels are taking right now...to include little 'extras' on the CD that you cannot find anywhere else, such as a CD/DVD that offers videos, behind-the-scenes footage, and other little perks. All for the same price as your average CD. It pushes more CDs out there, and makes more money for the artist to boot. It's a healthy trend for the industry, I think.

I'd really like to see a source that backs this claim up.

I'll search for a link to that information. My source is from memo F-131, Sony Music Company, December 2001. It was distributed through the Nashville office. It states that the original downloading was offered by Sony, only months before the advent of Napster, and quickly followed by independent labels (Audium, for example). After that, BMG and Universal got into the act. It was originally offered direct via artist websites, for free. Napster came into the picture and the circus began.

 

[isshogai7]

"Since I'm not sure of the laws and taxes in your country, I really cannot comment on the first part of your statement here. I'm not knowledgable enough about that situation to do so. "

The tax about virgin mediums applies to your country too,it was one of the reason behind the whole pmrc scandal in the 80's(meaning why labels did help promoting the use of stickers) .By the way,please check who is ( i think still is) Shania's husband.Then check her record sales.'nuff said

"The rest of it, though, I'll give it a go...
the very core of the country music movement back to traditional roots. Hello, big money; goodbye, music with integrity. "

If you want integrity,you should be go back to woody guthrie,or even pete seeger.To be known,you have to accept compromises.
That's life.

"I'm really not sure where you come up with the end of that statement...where you venture into actual dollar amounts an artists makes from a particular album. Since every contract is different, it's impossible to put a dollar amount out there as a general rule for what an artist makes. Where do you get the numbers for an artist with a gold record? It all depends on that particular contract, and the contract of their players. So I can't agree with the last statement."

My statement is based on research published,also,to guitar for the practising musican,an old july issue.The one dollar was the AVERAGE fee an artist may get from cd sales,detracting all the expenses.It's ok,tough,it's not the first time i've been misunderstood.

"And if you would, please clarify the statement about artists not performing on their own albums? Milli Vanilli was not the norm, I don't believe. What other artists have been accused and found guilty of this practice? "

This is an industry standard since day one.Examples? too many.Remember Warrant?Or spice girls,or that matter?Aerosmith didn't play all the songs on their first record,for example.In the 80's,a rave rewiew of a gig was made in la when ,in fact,all the music was played on something called the synclavier.Nobody did know that,at the time.Lotsa of samples in concert too,starting from backgrounds vocals to other instruments.Ask session men about who played on records:You'll hear funny stories.Case in point,a small one: robben ford did play, uncredited, on a kiss record.

"And tour buses...hell, there are many reasons why. I'm sure there are other reasons than these I am naming here...these are the ones I can throw out there from my own personal experience. My man, for example, would NOT take a plane. No way. Traveling by bus is much more desirable. In the US, it is a matter of convenience. When you fly, you have to carry your whole band...your equipment...and you have to then rent a van to carry all that once you get to your destination. In the case of large bands, you are traveling with at least one bus for the band and a tractor-trailer full of equipment. Put that on a plane? Hell, why bother. It's much easier to load it into a bus and hit the road. Plus, being on the road allows you greater access to your fans...more time to work on serious songwriting and such for upcoming albums...time to practice your craft...and a much easier life than jetting around. Besides that, it does save money in many cases."

Usually big names in 70's did take planes,while eqipment and crew did use the buses and tractors.Buses have become a more costeffective way of traveling.The bowie tale was told by his guitarist,who also did make an accurate list of the expenses for his club tour.And the bus is not a great way of traveling,just a more money saving one.Usually songwriting is done in hotels or in the stadiums,during free time.

"No, it's not glamorous. It's a job that quite often takes an artist away from his home for weeks or months at a time. It's something that takes one hell of a lot of heart to keep going. But for someone who lives to bring their artistry to a crowd of screaming fans, it's worth the lifestyle."

S.

It's something you choose to do,accepting all the good and bad things that come with it.And,teather is much harder.After years of knowing both sides of music biz, i'm more in awe of firemen,nurses and cops.


By the way,i'm only answering to your questions(and i'm quite surprised you did comment my post),i'm not tryn to start a debate.I did quote you just to explain myself more fully.I hope this will not sound bad to your ears.

 

[sheath]

It's something you choose to do,accepting all the good and bad things that come with it.And,teather is much harder.After years of knowing both sides of music biz, i'm more in awe of firemen,nurses and cops.


By the way,i'm only answering to your questions(and i'm quite surprised you did comment my post),i'm not tryn to start a debate.I did quote you just to explain myself more fully.I hope this will not sound bad to your ears.

I've read through your post...and I do have a few things to say, issh.

First of all, your tone is quite as I expected. Of course, we both know why, so I won't go into it on the open board for all the public to see.

Secondly...I have no idea where to start, because every single comment you have made is conjecture. I'm wondering about real examples here, issh. I've been in those studios, on those buses, and writing those songs...and that is what my man does now, on a daily basis. I've been there, not just 'heard' about it from some guitarist who claims to be with 'some' band. I'm sorry if I sound a little harsh, but quite frankly, you sound like the worst kind of groupie...the kind who pretends to know what he's talking about, but really does not.

Please elaborate further on your comments, issh. And please, give very clear examples in answer to my questions. Explain the relevance of the Lange/Twain union to the larger question of virgin mediums? And please explain the relevance of her record sales to proving integrity in music. Elaborate on the 'woody guthrie and pete seeger' comment? Please give me the number of the issue, or at least the title of the magazine, that you are discussing when quoting an 'average' payout on a typical CD. And how do you get the '900 dollars' reference out of that? I'm not sure where you are getting the lists of names such as Warrant, Spice Girls, etc. that you cite for not using their own work on albums? (Please kindly note that 'sampling' and 'not performing on their own albums' are two very different things.) I won't ask you to elaborate on the comments about buses and songwriting, since I am well aware that your comments are not accurate.

See my point? It all looks like conjecture to me. But since you don't want to start a debate, please don't feel like you have to explain yourself any further. I will certainly understand.

And since we both know why you are surprised that I commented on your post, I won't surprise you again. Take care.

S.

 

[isshogai7]

I've read through your post...and I do have a few things to say, issh.

First of all, your tone is quite as I expected. Of course, we both know why, so I won't go into it on the open board for all the public to see.

Secondly...I have no idea where to start, because every single comment you have made is conjecture. I'm wondering about real examples here, issh. I've been in those studios, on those buses, and writing those songs...and that is what my man does now, on a daily basis. I've been there, not just 'heard' about it from some guitarist who claims to be with 'some' band. I'm sorry if I sound a little harsh, but quite frankly, you sound like the worst kind of groupie...the kind who pretends to know what he's talking about, but really does not.

As always,it seems that manners are something that some people don't have a clue of.The guitarist is reeves gabrels,he's been the bowie guitarist from many years,he has written those things on guitar for the practising musician.By the way,i've been in the music biz from quite some time.Learn manners before throwing nonsense to other people.I've stated facts,not something i don't know anything of.


Please elaborate further on your comments, issh. And please, give very clear examples in answer to my questions. Explain the relevance of the Lange/Twain union to the larger question of virgin mediums?

I did answer to your statement about taxes applied to cds.The comment about shania twain did not have any relation at all,i was tellin that the fact that her husband is a producer whiz certainly has helped her in so many ways.That was plain english.


And please explain the relevance of her record sales to proving integrity in music. Elaborate on the 'woody guthrie and pete seeger' comment?

Those two did play for the people,not for making bucks.I was tryn to say that,unluckily,many people make records to become famous,other talented ones were and are forced to accept compromises.It's the nature of the beast.About sales,quantity doesn't match quality,all too often.


Please give me the number of the issue, or at least the title of the magazine, that you are discussing when quoting an 'average' payout on a typical CD. And how do you get the '900 dollars' reference out of that?

Guitar for the practising musician,july 1996 issue.There's everything analized and written in detail.Check it out.I did cite that one to avoid the risk of talking about numbers without evidence.


I'm not sure where you are getting the lists of names such as Warrant, Spice Girls, etc. that you cite for not using their own work on albums? (Please kindly note that 'sampling' and 'not performing on their own albums' are two very different things.)

I know the difference between sampling and performing.Read or better,ask to any session musician about that.I did tell you about aerosmith,since steve hunter did openly talk about it.Ask bob ezrin,ask michael wagner.Steve lillywhite on the "dirty work" record by rolling stones.The list is endless.

I won't ask you to elaborate on the comments about buses and songwriting, since I am well aware that your comments are not accurate.

Nice to read that you accept other point of wiews.You are aware of me being inaccurate.Fine by me,i didn't know you were the Gospel.By the way,i speak after talking with musicians and reading tons of musician diaries.


See my point? It all looks like conjecture to me. But since you don't want to start a debate, please don't feel like you have to explain yourself any further. I will certainly understand.

And since we both know why you are surprised that I commented on your post, I won't surprise you again. Take care.

It's funny to be misunderstood in such a bad way.
I don't need to make conjectures to you,really.I have other things to do in life.I did explain my point of wiew,totally respecting your's.If you choose to be harsh,more power to you.Mine it was not a personal attack,at any level;you've read it this way.

How gracious by you that you will understand.


Please,learn to speak on adult level,instead of playng torquemada.You will gain in appeal.

you think i'm a bastard?fine.It is YOUR opinion,i respect that.I will survive to that.Mainly from the fact that is not true.

So holier than thou.

May happiness surround your life,sheath.And i mean it in the nicest possible way.Really.

 

[sheath]

LMAO

Thanks for the giggles, issh.



S.