Cost of an Education

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Well it seems that the socialist are at it again. That Dick from Ill, Dick Dickler (what ever that senator democrats name is) wants student loans to be forgiven.

Why can't democrats address the cost issue? By forgiving student loans this will do jack shit to improve things. This is another kick the can down the road solution.

We need to address the costs for higher education and STOP all government grants and funding for universities.

More and more money is dumped into higher education and THESE people keep on raising the price. Why don't we end the madness? Just cut the junkie's off and make them bring down the price of education?

Forgiving student dept isn't a solution. Tossing more money isn't the solution as student loans keep getting bigger and price of education keeps getting more expensive.

Will congress and obama pull their head out of their ass and fix this?

simple solution - stop all funding for higher education.
 
I'm shocked that obama has no plan for this other than "forgiving" debt and tossing more money on the fire.
 


The Cult of Hope

by H.L. Mencken From Prejudices: Second Series, 1920, pp. 211-218

Of all the sentimental errors that reign and rage in this incomparable Republic, the worst is that which confuses the function of criticism, whether aesthetic, political or social, with the function of reform. Almost invariably it takes the form of a protest: “The fellow condemns without offering anything better. Why tear down without building up?” So snivel the sweet ones: so wags the national tongue. The messianic delusion becomes a sort of universal murrain. It is impossible to get an audience for an idea that is not "constructive"—i.e., that is not glib, and uplifting, and full of hope, and hence capable of tickling the emotions by leaping the intermediate barrier of intelligence.

In this protest and demand, of course, there is nothing but the babbling of men who mistake their feelings for thoughts. The truth is that criticism, if it were confined to the proposing of alternative schemes, would quickly cease to have any force or utility at all, for in the overwhelming majority of instances no alternative scheme of any intelligibility is imaginable, and the whole object of the critical process is to demonstrate it. The poet, if the victim is a poet, is simply one as bare of gifts as a herring is of fur: no conceivable suggestion will ever make him write actual poetry. And the plan of reform, in politics, sociology or what not, is simply beyond the pale of reason; no change in it or improvement of it will ever make it acheive the impossible. Here, precisely, is what is the matter with most of the notions that go floating about the country, particularly in the field of governmental reform. The trouble with them is not only that they won’t and don’t work; the trouble with them, more importantly, is that the thing they propose to accomplish is intrinsically, or at all events most probably, beyond accomplishment. That is to say, the problem they are ostensibly designed to solve is a problem that is insoluble. To tackle them with a proof of that insolubility, or even with a colorable argument of it, is sound criticism; to tackle them with another solution that is quite as bad, or even worse, is to pick the pocket of one knocked down by an automobile.

Unluckily, it is difficult for the American mind to grasp the concept of insolubility. Thousands of poor dolts keep on trying to square the circle; other thousands keep pegging away at perpetual motion. The number of persons so afflicted is far greater than the records of the Patent Office show, for beyond the circle of frankly insane enterprise there lie circles of more and more plausible enterprise, and finally we come to a circle which embraces the great majority of human beings. These are the optimists and chronic hopers of the world, the believers in men, ideas and things. It is the settled habit of such folk to give ear to whatever is comforting; it is their settled faith that whatever is desirable will come to pass. A caressing confidence—but one, unfortunately, that is not borne out by human experience. The fact is that some of the things that men and women have desired most ardently for thousands of years are not nearer realization today than they were in the time of Rameses, and that there is not the slightest reason for believing that they will lose their coyness on any near tomorrow. Plans for hurrying them on have been tried since the beginning; plans for forcing them overnight are in copious and antagonistic operation today; and yet they continue to hold off and elude us, and the chances are that they will keep on holding off and eluding us until the angels get tired of the show, and the whole earth is set off like a gigantic bomb, or drowned, like a sick cat, between two buckets...
 
I'm shocked you have no plan for getting a fucking job

I have a job and I agree with him. student debt should not be forgiven. this is just another example of the entitlement generation throwing a hissy fit.

you decided to go 100K in debt so you could party for 4-6 years and come out with a communications/art history/psych/elementary education degree, now you get to reap the consequences of your actions and pay your debts.
maybe if you had done 2 years at a community college and transferred to a private school when you decided to be an adult and get a degree in something that actually paid you wouldn't be in this mess.
 
I have a job and I agree with him. student debt should not be forgiven. this is just another example of the entitlement generation throwing a hissy fit.

you decided to go 100K in debt so you could party for 4-6 years and come out with a communications/art history/psych/elementary education degree, now you get to reap the consequences of your actions and pay your debts.
maybe if you had done 2 years at a community college and transferred to a private school when you decided to be an adult and get a degree in something that actually paid you wouldn't be in this mess.



and I did none of what you said
 


The Cult of Hope

by H.L. Mencken From Prejudices: Second Series, 1920, pp. 211-218

With all respect to Mencken, an educated citizenry at a reasonable cost is not an arcane concept that is beyond accomplishment.

Let's just recognize the failure of the market to properly allocate in this instance, correct it, and move on.
 
Well it seems that the socialist are at it again. That Dick from Ill, Dick Dickler (what ever that senator democrats name is) wants student loans to be forgiven.

Why can't democrats address the cost issue? By forgiving student loans this will do jack shit to improve things. This is another kick the can down the road solution.

We need to address the costs for higher education and STOP all government grants and funding for universities.

More and more money is dumped into higher education and THESE people keep on raising the price. Why don't we end the madness? Just cut the junkie's off and make them bring down the price of education?

Forgiving student dept isn't a solution. Tossing more money isn't the solution as student loans keep getting bigger and price of education keeps getting more expensive.

Will congress and obama pull their head out of their ass and fix this?

simple solution - stop all funding for higher education.

Just default on paying back student loans.

It's the American way.
 
With all respect to Mencken, an educated citizenry at a reasonable cost is not an arcane concept that is beyond accomplishment.

Let's just recognize the failure of the market to properly allocate in this instance, correct it, and move on.

clearly, we have move way beyond "reasonable"

those in government keep on tossing more money into education. and as there is more help in way of grants, donations, student loads, this and that, educators like crack addicts keep on raising the price of education.

if Dick Derbin or what ever his dumb ass name is (aka a democrats from corrupt Ill) gets his way and forgives student loans, what will they do next year when more people are in debt? then in 10 years?

this is the problem with democrats. they have no plan and want others to pay for everything.

this is why we have people like Merc, TheThrobe, RichardDaily, BadBabbysitter, LT, Royie and the many other obama nut jobs that are always standing in line with their hand out looking for "Free"
 
The reason I cannot continue my education has absolutely nothing to do with money.

I am cursed with below-average intelligence and the college curriculum would simply be too difficult and advanced for me.
 
clearly, we have move way beyond "reasonable"

those in government keep on tossing more money into education. and as there is more help in way of grants, donations, student loads, this and that, educators like crack addicts keep on raising the price of education.

if Dick Derbin or what ever his dumb ass name is (aka a democrats from corrupt Ill) gets his way and forgives student loans, what will they do next year when more people are in debt? then in 10 years?

this is the problem with democrats. they have no plan and want others to pay for everything.

this is why we have people like Merc, TheThrobe, RichardDaily, BadBabbysitter, LT, Royie and the many other obama nut jobs that are always standing in line with their hand out looking for "Free"

I agree with you that just flat out forgiving the loans is not the answer. I also agree that propping up the Demand side is doing a lot to keep the costs of education high because for whatever reason the supply is reasonably constrained and not easy to move.

So let's have government take action on the supply side: We need high quality, engineering, science and technology based University level education. That means expanding the campus and teachers for State run colleges and universities and it will take federal financial involvement. I am even for tipping the scales of that education investment away from majors like "12th century french poetry" so we can get back in the global math and sciences competition and create the next innovation to get more jobs.

But there has got to be investment in education. If the Republicans would at least get to the table and talk about the right way to approach education then there would not be any room for discussions about just wiping away the current student loan debt.
 
The reason I cannot continue my education has absolutely nothing to do with money.

I am cursed with below-average intelligence and the college curriculum would simply be too difficult and advanced for me.

The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
I agree with you that just flat out forgiving the loans is not the answer. I also agree that propping up the Demand side is doing a lot to keep the costs of education high because for whatever reason the supply is reasonably constrained and not easy to move.

So let's have government take action on the supply side: We need high quality, engineering, science and technology based University level education. That means expanding the campus and teachers for State run colleges and universities and it will take federal financial involvement. I am even for tipping the scales of that education investment away from majors like "12th century french poetry" so we can get back in the global math and sciences competition and create the next innovation to get more jobs.

But there has got to be investment in education. If the Republicans would at least get to the table and talk about the right way to approach education then there would not be any room for discussions about just wiping away the current student loan debt.


you sir are correct, we need those people. education is a great example as to socialism running amuck. they don't care about costs and year after year the price of that education just keeps on shooting upward.
 
you sir are correct, we need those people. education is a great example as to socialism running amuck. they don't care about costs and year after year the price of that education just keeps on shooting upward.

Wow. You had a rare but reasonable point. A reasonable poster actually agreed with you and adds more reasonable points. And you poop derp all over it.

That didn't last long.
 
With tuition and interest on the national debt and entitlements racing to the stars, you gotta figure that sooner or later one or all of them are gonna run outta gas and fall back to Earth. And when it happens perfessers across the fruited plain are gonna leap off bridges.
 
Wow. You had a rare but reasonable point. A reasonable poster actually agreed with you and adds more reasonable points. And you poop derp all over it.

That didn't last long.

LOL!!
 
The cost of not educating far outweighs the cost of educating.

I agree, but the cost of education is going up faster than the number of hookers Bill Clinton had sex with. oh wait, that was elliot spritzer.

point is, educators are not responsible with their spending.

if we cut government funding in all forms the price of higher education will become reasonable and affordable to everyone
 
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