Considering incest readers

[Axeltheswede]

My first post in the "Incest" category was written with a fairly narrow notion of readership. I thought readers were looking for a surrogate way to satisfy their personal desires.

After receiving feedback email from three incest story posts, I think reader motivations are more complex than that. Readers enjoy stong confllict/resolution stories. Incest has conflict inherent in the situation. By definition, characters have to overcome personal morality issues. Discovery would bring severe consequences.

I am interested to hear what others think about the incest audience. Who are the readers. What do they really want?

 

[ronde]

I haven't attempted an incest story to date, but after reading many I agree with your assessment. This type story has a theme of mutual consent to the relationship, but great moral conflict relative to it's social acceptance. I also believe that there are two other main themes of interest, at least in the younger male/older female stories.

One theme appears to me to be the male fantasy of being seduced and then "taught" by an older woman. These stories are much like those in the mature category, except that the older woman is related to the younger man. I think this fantasy is relatively common, because related women are easier to meet and talk with than strangers, are more likely to be encountered in private situations, and, especially in the case of mothers and sons, the male would have more trust in a related female. If men are truthful with themselves, most of us have had this fantasy with some related older female at some time or other.

The other theme that I frequently see is one of pure dominance. The son/brother/nephew first coerces and then dominates the related female. Usually, she responds in a negative manner, but then becomes submissive to his desires. I can only hazard a guess as to the motivation behind this fantasy. Possibly it is a BDSM fantasy with more accessible women.

To answer the question of who are these readers would require the services of a psychologist, but it probably doesn't matter. I believe incest stories are a way for some readers to "live" a fantasy in a socially acceptable manner, just as other readers "live" the three-some they are confident they will never really experience. I have been told by a female reader of this subject that she enjoys the feeling on intense love in the mother/son stories. Some probably just read them for the sex.

It is interesting that while most incest stories are M/F, and several are F/F , few are about M/M relationships. I have no idea why. It's just an observation. Maybe someone else has an explanation.

 

[Dragon Dreamer]

I think the lack of m/m incest stories in more indicitive of the writers at Literotica, rather than a proportion of writing in general. There are a large number of m/m incest stories at gay related story sites, it seems to be one of the more popular categories.

 

[vgrey]

conflict important

I think that axeltheswede has a very good point, that conflict is important for a reader to be drawn into a story. I think that an element of danger is probably exciting to a lot of people and with an incest story there are a lot of potential plot complications.

VG

 

[Whispersecret]

People often pooh-pooh incest stories, saying that "I never had a sexual urge about my mom/dad, so those stories don't interest me." But I think that if you talk to many incest fans you'll find that they don't beat off to thoughts of their own parents either.

I think that perhaps one factor in the daddy/daughter stories might be that women crave being desirable. We want to know that we are the most compelling creature you've ever seen/touched/met. In an incest story you get that to the nth degree. Not only is the heroine in the story desirable, but so much so that the male is able to overcome every scintilla of ethics he's ever been taught in order to have her.

Every woman would love to wield that type of control over a man. In these types of stories, we can, vicariously.

That's just my theory.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Most of them want more than:

"We can't! You're my {insert relative}!!!"

She/he sucked on his/her clit/cock.

"Okay! But only this once."

Beyond that, my only experience is in my own. I've got three chapters with good reviews from Lusty #1, mediocre reviews from Lusty #2, and some cheesed off people from Lusty #3.

Incest's main attraction is that it's totally taboo. A lot of people I've come into contact with regarding this issue aren't interested in their own relatives or placing themselves in that situation. What they're into is the total thrill of being a voyeur to someone else breaking one of our strongest taboos.

The forbidden is one of the strongest sexual attractants.

 

[Coolville]

Indeed, the incest genre is fascinating.
I remember it well - the first time I had access to non-stop internet was at film school. I sat there and did what comes naturally - surfed for porn. I had a mate in my class who did the same. All of a sudden my fantasies had narrowed down to young, virginal girls. I had no idea why. It was never something I had thought about before. My mate was just as surprised to discover he longed for images of pissing Japanese girls in school uniforms. But so be it, and off we went.
I had never had any incest fantasies in my life but when I started to venture farther out onto the net, I discovered the Incest chat rooms and was drawn to them. It felt weird but it was groovy.
I fell quickly into the daddy & daughter-without-knickers (ooh, bad girl) world. It was strange, new, and titillating.
And, if you look at the numbers of chatters in those rooms, incest is always one of the most popular.
Makes you think. I always remember the film director Luis Bunuel's words about fantasy:
"the fantasy is like a muscle. It needs to be trained. Every day, a writer should - in his fantasy - rape his mother, kill his father and betray his country."
Only but overcoming these otherwise dreadful thoughts can one free the fantasy. Works for me.
Regarding Whisper's comment about women craving to be desires in daddy/daughter stories, I think the same is true for the daddies.
What does a man crave more than the undying love of a woman? A young woman. A young woman who has, throughout her life, looked up to her dad as being the ultimate man.
That is a truth in most cases and the sexual development springs out of that, taking it one step further.
True, KillerMuffin, most writers need a little more fantasy in writing incest stories. There is much finesse to be found in the genre.
Generally, I think it's an interesting reflection on society that so many chatters chat incest, so many websites have images of incest and lolitas.
It is, indeed, the last taboo so we relish in it.
Even here in Europe where we experience so much more sexual freedom - incest and lolitas are the rage.
While I'm on a roll (bear with me) I find the cultural differences between America and Europe to be restrictive. Two of my newer stories Teaching the Boy and Reversal of Fortune were rejected until I changed the age to 18. I didn't even think about that when I wrote it. In most EU countries, the legal age for sex is 15 or 16. (12 or 13 if both parties are under 15). Here in Denmark you can buy hard-core porn at 16 and pose nude in the tabloids at 17. Maybe Literotica should set up a mirror in Europe so that 370 million Europeans can exercise their socially accepted norms, instead of being restricted by another country's norms on the WORLD wide web.
Am I rambling here...........?

 

[ZIP CODE]

Most of them want more than:

"We can't! You're my {insert relative}!!!"

She/he sucked on his/her clit/cock.

"Okay! But only this once."

A lot of people I've come into contact with regarding this issue aren't interested in their own relatives or placing themselves in that situation. What they're into is the total thrill of being a voyeur to someone else breaking one of our strongest taboos.

The forbidden is one of the strongest sexual attractants.

Exactly!!!!!!!!

Well said.

 

[NoJo]

Incest

"Consent" in sex is ambiguous;
consensual incest is probably as rare as consensual paedophilia.

Your compatriot Thomas Vinterberg, has made one of my favorite incest films ever -- Festen. Maybe not erotica, but...

 

[Coolville]

"Consent" in sex is ambiguous;
consensual incest is probably as rare as consensual paedophilia.

No doubt about it. Which makes the incest genre probably the most fantasy-filled on the site. No restrictions.

 

[Idle_Hands]

There's really no point in discussing the reality of incest when it comes to this genre of erotic fiction. It's all clearly fantasy, and while some of it is just as lame as anything on this site, some is incredibly hot.

While the taboo is certainly a part of the attraction, I think it may have more to do with dramatic tension.

I think that the best erotic fiction unfolds it's action slowly and carefully, building one's anticipation all the while. Incest provides built-in dramatic tension, as we watch to see how the characters will overcome this taboo (ok, so it's clearly a factor).

-ih

 

[Sweet_Intensity]

Re: Incest

"Consent" in sex is ambiguous;
consensual incest is probably as rare as consensual paedophilia.


Joe;

Paedophilia is, by definition, non-consentual. A child cannot consent.

Anne

 

[NoJo]

Sweet Intensity, you're right. And you've made me notice I've been spelling consentual wrong. I hope it wasn't a Freudian slip!

 

[jon.hayworth]

A lot of people have read my take on incest before, but I will reitterate it.
The legal prohibition of incest - 1st degree blood relationships is universal. Prohibitive Laws are only made to control what people do not what they may do. e.g. Maybe in the forseeable future there will be so many space vehicles that there will need to be space lanes and one way systems etc., around the Solar System. However that day is not yet and no-one has tried to introduce such International Legislation.

Therefore it seems to me that incest is probably a universal impulse that we all screw the lid on and deny having.

However from a story telling / reading aspect the incest story is great, because it contains all the essential components. The Goal (to screw someone), the obstacle (legal and social taboos), the Dilema and finally the Resolution.

Read my story "Mothers Old Photos", I think I did a pretty good job of playing with all those ingredients.

jon

 

[TheEarl]

I think you're right. Sex without tension or friction is too easy IMHO. Readers like conflict. Plus there is the social taboo thing, the fact that it's naughty. I think that brother-sister stories (when 18ish) are so popular because its a combination of innocence and wickedness.

The Earl