Conservative Viewpoints versus Hate Speech.

[Lazaran]

I hope we can agree that advocating violence for a demographic is hate speech. Saying "All Jews must die," is hate speech.

The claim that the Bolshevik movement was Jewish angers me, but I do not think it is hate speech. It is an overgeneralization that can be disproved: the vast majority of members in the Bolshevik Party, and in the Communist Parties of the Soviet Union were gentiles.

Nevertheless, the Marxist idea of life after the Revolution in the classless society resembles the Jewish idea of life after the coming of the Messiah. There will be no war, poverty, or crime. Everyone will enjoy his or her job.

I think the best articulation of life in the classless society was not provided by Vladimir Lenin, but by John Lennon in his song "Imagine."

Imagine​

Song by​

John Lennon
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No Hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
I
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

That ^ is competing with this:

I Me Mine. (The Beatles)

All through the day
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
All through the night
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Now they're frightened of leaving it
Everyone's weaving it
Going on strong all the time
All through the day I me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through the day I me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through your life I me mine

This^ - embodied by DonOld and the MAGAt republicans - is currently winning the day. (And, ironically, the "Christians” who are supposed to be all about generosity and opposed to materialism support DonOld and the MAGAt republicans.)

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[JohnEngelman]

That ^ is competing with this:

I Me Mine. (The Beatles)

All through the day
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
All through the night
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Now they're frightened of leaving it
Everyone's weaving it
Going on strong all the time
All through the day I me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through the day I me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
I me me mine
All I can hear
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Even those tears
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
No-one's frightened of playing it
Everyone's saying it
Flowing more freely than wine
All through your life I me mine

This^ - embodied by DonOld and the MAGAt republicans - is currently winning the day. (And, ironically, the "Christians” who are supposed to be all about generosity and opposed to materialism support DonOld and the MAGAt republicans.)

JFC

SAD!!!

Christian conservatives have not been good at selecting presidents to support. In 1980 most of them abandoned the most sincerely Christian president the United States has ever had to vote for a product of Hollwood who rarely attended church. In 2016, 2020, and 2024 they reached even lower and chose a foul mouthed, dishonest adulterer.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Man, I fucking HATE lima beans!

They're a sickly greenish color.

They smell awful. I get nauseous at the slightest scent of them!


That is also hate speech. I'm sure there are lima bean enthusiasts that will disagree with me. Should we censor their opinions?

I give zero shits if you say something I disagree with. Offend me. Please. People should be able to say what's on their mind, even if you don't like it. Imagine if your opinion was forbidden.

If we could vote on whether or not someone was allowed to say something I'd vote yes 100% of the time. Fuck censorship.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Man, I fucking HATE lima beans!

They're a sickly greenish color.

They smell awful. I get nauseous at the slightest scent of them!


That is also hate speech. I'm sure there are lima bean enthusiasts that will disagree with me. Should we censor their opinions?

I give zero shits if you say something I disagree with. Offend me. Please. People should be able to say what's on their mind, even if you don't like it. Imagine if your opinion was forbidden.

If we could vote on whether or not someone was allowed to say something I'd vote yes 100% of the time. Fuck censorship.

I love lima beans. Peas, not so much, but I love lima beans. I just got finished eating some.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Also, since I love heresies -- probably my first and most enduring love -- as well as blasphemies, obscenities, and anything else that knocks the human being out of his narcissistic solipsism, here are a couple more.

• God cannot be proven or disproven. The scientific position is agnosticism. Atheism is as much a religion as Christianity.
• There are more religions than Christianity, and these are not based in the human ego.
• Most Christians have no idea what their religion is, so they go with their gut... and this is the right course of action.
• If Christianity dies tomorrow, the same people in churches today will invent a new religion.
• Atheism seems to pair with communism and other mental health problems.
• Hitler was a vegetarian and art student which means he would have had an iPhone.

• Hitler was a vegetarian and art student which means he would have had an iPhone.

Wait just a minute…now you’ve gone a bridge too far! How dare you impugn the almighty Apple!

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

Christian conservatives have not been good at selecting presidents to support. In 1980 most of them abandoned the most sincerely Christian president the United States has ever had to vote for a product of Hollwood who rarely attended church. In 2016, 2020, and 2024 they reached even lower and chose a foul mouthed, dishonest adulterer.


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Dear Christ hanging on the cross…false equivalency.

You do realize you can be a Christian and not exactly be a practicing, if the doors are open you’re there kind…right? We’re not all saints.

President Carter is a good man. A Godly man. Bless his heart he tried to bring that to DeeCee. Even sent his poor kid to public school in that war zone…something no other president has done. Sadly he was weak policy wise, and the country embraced a former actor turned politician who knew how to get things done. The right man at the right time.

I do love your “foul mouthed adulterer” comment though! I guess you’re a tad too young to remember a certain adulterous rapey Wihelm Jefferson Clinton and his foul mouthed wife…

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Man, I fucking HATE lima beans!

They're a sickly greenish color.

They smell awful. I get nauseous at the slightest scent of them!


That is also hate speech. I'm sure there are lima bean enthusiasts that will disagree with me. Should we censor their opinions?

I give zero shits if you say something I disagree with. Offend me. Please. People should be able to say what's on their mind, even if you don't like it. Imagine if your opinion was forbidden.

If we could vote on whether or not someone was allowed to say something I'd vote yes 100% of the time. Fuck censorship.

I ate them, too, with all the hate that I can conjure. They should be banned because of my hate.

 

[AceDesSpades]

butter beans in butter


manna mañana

 

[TastySuckToy]

God cannot be proven or disproven.

Burden of Proof fallacy. The positive claim carries the burden of proof, and appeals to ignorance can easily be rejected.

The scientific position is agnosticism.

The scientific position is atheism, a lack of belief. Science concerns itself with evidence based models and theories, not beliefs.

Atheism is as much a religion as Christianity.

Athiesm is the lack of belief, not the assertion of one. You may as well be calling bald a hair color.

Atheism seems to pair with communism and other mental health problems.

Lacking belief in something can pair with absolutely anything you care to pick.

Atheism/theism are terms to do with belief.
Agnostic/gnostic are terms to do with knowledge.

For example, I would call myself a gnostic atheist. Meaning I don't believe in a god and would claim to know there isn't one.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Burden of Proof fallacy. The positive claim carries the burden of proof, and appeals to ignorance can easily be rejected.

Actually, debating the existence/non-existence of God is properly referred to as the Ontological Argument.

Your claim that the "Burden of Proof" applies here does not apply.

Hope this helps.

#Philosophy101

 

[TastySuckToy]

Actually, debating the existence/non-existence of God is properly referred to as the Ontological Argument.

There is no logical reason or evidence to even suppose the existence of a god. It's a concept created via the exact same reasoning of "I don't know/understand, therefore a wizard must have done it."

People may debate the idea for the sake of debate, but the idea itself holds no more substance or logic that debating the existence of Santa Clause.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There is no logical reason or evidence to even suppose the existence of a god. It's a concept created via the exact same reasoning of "I don't know/understand, therefore a wizard must have done it."

People may debate the idea for the sake of debate, but the idea itself holds no more substance or logic that debating the existence of Santa Clause.

Tell me you didn't click the link without actually saying "I didn't click the link".

Be better.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Tell me you didn't click the link without actually saying "I didn't click the link".

Be better.

The ontological argument is debating the conclusion of a god.

I pointed out that such a conclusion has no basis in logic or evidence to even be considered in the first place.

Be better.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The ontological argument is debating the conclusion of a god.

I pointed out that such a conclusion has no basis in logic or evidence to even be considered in the first place.

Be better.

That is a specious interpretation.

Be better.

 

[TastySuckToy]

That is a specious interpretation.

Be better.

The ontological argument is nothing more than debating a conclusion based upon arbitrary assertions that have no rational justification, including the 'greatest being' premise.

Be better.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The ontological argument is nothing more than debating a conclusion based upon arbitrary assertions that have no rational justification, including the 'greatest being' premise.

Be better.

Total mischaracterization. I'm done with your deflections.

Toodles!

 

[TastySuckToy]

Total mischaracterization. I'm done with your deflections.

Toodles!

Rest assured running away is something many defenders of irrational beliefs and assertions of any deities do, when it's pointed out how ridiculous said beliefs and assertions are.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rest assured running away is something many defenders of irrational beliefs and assertions of any deities do, when it's pointed out how ridiculous said beliefs and assertions are.

You believe what you want to believe.

I've found that to be quite a common mindset amongst people like you and your "elk".

I refuse to continue to debate with folks unable or unwilling to accept common definitions of generally accepted concepts.

You can postulate that two plus two equals five all day long and declare "victory" when the other side shakes their head and walks away.

You might even be able to convince yourself that you "won".

Again, toodles.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I refuse to continue to debate with folks unable or unwilling to accept common definitions of generally accepted concepts.

I haven't rejected definitions or concepts, I've rejected arbitrary assertions and premises. Something the ontological argument entirely relies upon.

The fact you cannot understand that is proof how ill equipped you are to even have the conversation.

Again, toodles.

Yes, you said you were running away last reply. You don't need to keep repeating yourself.

 

[AlexBailey]

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I give zero shits if you say something I disagree with. Offend me. Please. People should be able to say what's on their mind, even if you don't like it. Imagine if your opinion was forbidden.

If we could vote on whether or not someone was allowed to say something I'd vote yes 100% of the time. Fuck censorship.

So you’d be okay if the owner of a local newspaper or blog singled out your family and children, saying they were polluting the blood of the community and needed to be removed from the gene pool before they can breed? Then posted your address and pictures of your family?

I’m asking because I wonder if your hate of censorship has any thought or reflection from the victim’s perspective.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Dear Christ hanging on the cross…false equivalency.

You do realize you can be a Christian and not exactly be a practicing, if the doors are open you’re there kind…right? We’re not all saints.

President Carter is a good man. A Godly man. Bless his heart he tried to bring that to DeeCee. Even sent his poor kid to public school in that war zone…something no other president has done. Sadly he was weak policy wise, and the country embraced a former actor turned politician who knew how to get things done. The right man at the right time.

I do love your “foul mouthed adulterer” comment though! I guess you’re a tad too young to remember a certain adulterous rapey Wihelm Jefferson Clinton and his foul mouthed wife…

Everything the Christian right hated about Clinton has been far worse about Trump.

 

[dmallord]

The concept of hate speech is just the new version of blasphemy for modern ideologies.

Is is still bad then?

 

[Politruk]

The ontological argument is, in a nutshell: God is perfect by definition; nonexistence would be an imperfection; therefore God exists.

Now, of course, argument from definition could be used to prove the existence of a perfect anything.

Besides, it's based on a false premise. There is no logically necessary reason why the supreme being should be a perfect being.

 

[dmallord]

I ate them, too, with all the hate that I can conjure. They should be banned because of my hate.

Maybe so, but I would ban you for that continued use of the dancing babes in EVERY damn thing you post!

 

[Typo Fu Master]

So you’d be okay if the owner of a local newspaper or blog singled out your family and children, saying they were polluting the blood of the community and needed to be removed from the gene pool before they can breed? Then posted your address and pictures of your family?

I’m asking because I wonder if your hate of censorship has any thought or reflection from the victim’s perspective.

In my personal circumstances, that would be very, very difficult to do convincingly. Assuming they pulled off your entirely implausible scenario, I would most definitely hate them for doing so. Nobody likes being a victim. I still support their free speech. Freedom is a double edged sword. And the world is full of assholes.