Conscientious Objectors?

MissTaken

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Well, I wonder what this guy was thinking they were training him to use the guns for?

Then, I think anyone who enters the military needs to be aware that they are being trained to kill people or assist others to kill people. Is this a secret?

But, all sarcasm aside, I would much rather have soldiers such as this, at home in their easy chairs rather than have them fighting side by side with my friends or relatives. Best to have those who aren't certain away from the battle and those who can do the job, protecting my family, friends and country.



"SAN FRANCISCO (AFP) - A US Marine reservist who deserted his unit turned himself in and declared himself a conscientious objector, officials said, becoming one of the first to do so since war erupted in Iraq .

Lance Corporal Stephen Funk, 20, who signed up for the Marines and went through boot camp last year, underwent expert marksman training before realizing he did not want to join in the violence.

"I wasn't thinking about the violence ... how my beliefs against violence would be challenged," Funk told reporters before his surrender.

"I was just thinking of it as something to do as I passed by time to become a California resident, and to learn new things."


He turned up at his Marine base in the California city of San Jose, south of San Francisco, to register as a conscientious objector, becoming one of the first members of the US armed forces to do so since war erupted last month.


"He turned himself in this morning around 10:00 am (1800 GMT)," said Captain Patrick O'Rourke of the Marines' 1st Beach Terminal Operations, 4th Landing Support Battalion.


"This a common thing, it's nothing special," he said playing down the significance of Funk's action that came amid a blaze of publicity as US forces battled towards Baghdad.


Funk will be interviewed by a chaplain, a psychiatrist, and a Marine investigator before a panel decides whether he will be punished or not.


Funk's Marine reserve company received orders to deploy for possible war last month, prompting the soft-spoken youngster to decide he was not cut out for killing, the San Jose Mercury Herald said.


He was declared AWOL (absent without leave) after failing to turn up as ordered when his unit was shifted to the Camp Pendleton Marine base that lies nears the city of San Diego.


"I believe that it is impossible to achieve peace through violence," Funk said in a statement released by his lawyer Stephen Collier. "I hope other soldiers will find the courage to follow their beliefs," he added.


Funk will not be detained or punished while waiting for his application to be processed and will simply have to turn up for duty until his petition for conscientious objector status until a decision is made, O'Rourke said.


More than one hundred military personnel were granted conscientious objector status during the first Gulf War (news - web sites) that erupted in 1992.


While military officials said they did not expect to receive many applications from conscientious objectors, pacifist groups reported a rise in requests for information since Washington began mobilizing for war with Iraq.


"Our call volume has doubled," Teresa Panepinto of the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors told the Mercury Herald. "
 
Many young men and women join the military to get money for school or job training. Few actually believe they'd end up in a war...I'm not surprised.

Our force in Iraq is, above all things, young. The average age is 22. It's easy to make a choice, like joining the military to get cash for school, without considering the repercussions. I almost joined up for the money for college before I remembered that I suck at following orders and don't like regimentation. It never even entered my mind that I might end up having to fight, any more than it entered into the mind of my best friend's little brother, who's currently a marine.
 
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Would I be correct in thinking that he is now referred to as:

former Lance Corporal Stephen Cunt? :p

Give him 25 years in Alcatraz with the cockroaches. Maybe do what the Iraqi's do and put a bullet in his head.

He's the type of kid that got picked on at school. If you don't lock him away, a few years from now he will be shooting down a classroom of kids or bombing an Oaklahoma building.

I know the type.

They sit in my office every day on my leather couch telling me their problems. ;)
 
I understand your POV, deliciously naughty.

However, if you hadn't opted out at that point, you might have during boot camp or recognized your limitations well before you had been in the military long enough to have gotten that cash and training.

Yes, I know many think of it as a job. But certainly, it is far more than that.

Now, this I dont' understand:

""I was just thinking of it as something to do as I passed by time to become a California resident, and to learn new things."

What is this citizenship stuff, do you think?
 
People have the right to be Conscientious Objectors. What they should be aware of is the moment they take that oath, they should know they will be asked to kill or have a part in killing another human.

I hope the Marine is punished to fullest extent of the law.

BTW, Clinton had the DOD take out the question asking. "Are you a Conscientious Objector?" (pussy clause)


Chaplains and Doctors are the only ones who should be allowed to serve and not be asked to harm another.
 
MissTaken said:


Now, this I dont' understand:

""I was just thinking of it as something to do as I passed by time to become a California resident, and to learn new things."

What is this citizenship stuff, do you think?

Not citizen, resident. Perhaps he wanted to become a California resident in order to reap the benefits, such as lower tuition in our UC program.

And I can understand his point of view. Joining the military can seem like a fun thing with the added bonus of college money. Boot camp does not necessarily prepare a person for the real consequences of war. I enjoy archery and marksmanship, and briefly considered enlisting. But I realized that shooting at a target that looks like a man and actually shooting a man are two different things.
 
Probably best for all those considerded. At least he didn't throw a grenade into a tent full of comrades....
 
People, we are talking about the Marines.

Every man and woman is expected to be an Infantryman first.

That is no secret.

Infantrymen kill, we don't sell cookies or have tupperware parties.


If anyone here thinks the military is just about college money you are gravely mistaken. To clear your thinking I suggest you run full speed and dive into a brick wall. (tuck and roll)
 
Whats that marine motto every Marine is a rifelman first?

He should have joined the army/navy/airforce and been a mechanic or communications tech if he had issues.
 
Pyper said:
Not citizen, resident. Perhaps he wanted to become a California resident in order to reap the benefits, such as lower tuition in our UC program.

*snip*

But I realized that shooting at a target that looks like a man and actually shooting a man are two different things.

Thanks for clarification and as for the second part...

that is what I mean.

You got it! You figured it out before being told you were going over to fight in a war!

Why couldn't this little man?

Oh well, we are better off with him at home.
I do hope there is disciplinary action, though. As I said before, he didn't wake up this morning and just realize he was trained to kill.
 
I agree with Azwed. The stupid shit joined the Marines...the Jarheads...the Leathernecks. Killing machines.

He should have become a chaplains assistant in the Air Force if he's such a coward.

I hope he doesn't get discharged and gets sent to some post out in BFE.
 
Azwed said:
Whats that marine motto every Marine is a rifelman first?


He should have joined the army/navy/airforce and been a mechanic or communications tech if he had issues.


Azwed, I understand the point you are trying to make. While every branch has it's view of the other, to say this piece of shit should have joined one of the other three is ridiculous.

Being in the military is supporting the death of another human. Everything from paper pushers to scrubbing barnacles off of a cruiser.

A true Conscientious Objector wouldn't have joined in the first place.
 
HeavyStick said:
Azwed, I understand the point you are trying to make. While every branch has it's view of the other, to say this piece of shit should have joined one of the other three is ridiculous.

Being in the military is supporting the death of another human. Everything from paper pushers to scrubbing barnacles off of a cruiser.

A true Conscientious Objector wouldn't have joined in the first place.

True I know and even those positions could see combat in an emergancy.

Its fucked up no matter what.
 
Azwed said:
Whats that marine motto every Marine is a rifelman first?

He should have joined the army/navy/airforce and been a mechanic or communications tech if he had issues.


Yeah, those army guys never get shot at.

Fuckin wanker.
 
"Send him to the front! Do you hear me? To the Front! I'll not have cowards in my Army!"
*From the movie, "Patton"
 
Problem Child said:
Yeah, those army guys never get shot at.

Fuckin wanker.

Bah the marines do all the work and you know it. ;)
 
I object to killing also or rather the need to have to kill or even fight.

Now having said that, I noticed that it hasn't kept me from getting into fights ( I think i've only won two in my whole life) or stopped anyone from shooting or otherwise trying to kill me.

I know if i'm forced to i will kill, but i'm against it.
 
Azwed said:
Geezze joke.

Damn touchy army guys.


It's alright. It's not your fault that you couldn't get into either the Army or Marines, what with your flat feet and hemmorhoids, O' twin of Frimost.

hehe.
 
Problem Child said:
It's alright. It's not your fault that you couldn't get into either the Army or Marines, what with your flat feet and hemmorhoids, O' twin of Frimost.

hehe.

Ouch.

Its my knees silly not feet thats my roomate.

Hemmorhoids is an old persons problem remember granpa.
 
posted by Azwed:

Whats that marine motto every Marine is a rifelman first?

He should have joined the army/navy/airforce and been a mechanic or communications tech if he had issues.


I hate to tell you this YoYo, but the Marines don't have a lock on that one. Every, let me repeat that, EVERY, recruit that goes into the U.S. Army is trained as a rifleman. And there is good reason why. A friend of mine joined the Army, went through extensive training to be a helicopter mechanic, and ended up in a rifle platoon with the 1st Cav. in 'nam.

Even if you get to do the job you're trained for that's no guarantee you'll not have to do some shooting. I spent a few nights in perimeter bunkers on several firebases, even though I was a mechanic. And ask some of those support people captured in Iraq about not getting into the shooting end of the war.

So do me a favor, think before you open your mouth, yes? It really would make for a much more intelligent and interesting conversation.

Comshaw
 
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