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[WickedEve]

I was informed that my thread for the witchy woman contest was removed because someone complained that it was spam. I apologize if it seemed that I was promoting my site. I've had several contests here, and many challenges. I simply enjoyed doing it. And I did host the contests at my site so I could do something special there by featuring the poems, making my silly little awards...
But that's not promoting my site. These contests were discussed here at lit, not at my site. The poems were usually posted here. My contests weren't just for my site. I expanded the contests to lit, because this is my home on the net. I spend my time here... but not anymore.

 

[karmadog]

NNOOOOooooooooo! Say it isn't so!

Please don't leave us.

 

[WickedEve]

kdog, this isn't a pout "i'm gonna leave" thread. I'm just bugged. I've had a bad day. I took my child to the doc and didn't get the best news. Then I find out about this. I think about how much effort I put into all the contests. I don't come on this board and post a link to my site and then leave. I've been here for a year participating and contributing. This was not promoting my site. I was just doing another contest because we've had so much fun with them. All the discussions and poems were posted here. It was more of a lit board activity than anything. I can't believe that someone would call it spam. I've seen spam on the board and it was never in the form of a contest that took this much damn work! lol
And yes, it makes one want to throw up their hands and leave. After this, I need a break or more.

 

[perks]

I'm sorry this happened Eve. I hope you take the break you need and come back to us.

I didn't think it was spam, either, and love all the work you've put into this site. You're a great part of this community.

I think that because the contest was to be in tandem with another site<yours> without the consent of this site, there might have been issues. That's the only thing that I can see that might have been a problem.

I hope you don't take it like literotica doesn't care about you or support you, because I'm sure that's not the case.

If you need anything, I'm here. Vent away, I've got strong shoulders.

 

[Laurel]

The dumping of that thread was nothing personal against WickedEve or her site. I let her know that in a PM when I removed it.

I received several complaints about the thread, and made a judgment call in removing it. After looking at it again, and thinking about it further, I still think it was the right decision.

Literotica is a large community, and many of the members here also run their own websites. In fact, a number of these fellow webmasters are personal friends of mine. Being involved in the running of a website, I think they understand even more so how important having an aggressively enforced anti-spam policy is. This is something that we have tried to enforce more or less objectively, friend or foe. A number of Lit webmasters promote their sites in their signatures and profiles, and I've never had a problem with this (except when some people have gone crazy and used huge banners, buttons, blinking text, etc.).

Again, this is nothing personal. Several people brought it to me as spam, and if we don't take action, then others may see this as a green light to start threads with the sole purpose of promoting other websites.

I apologize if you were offended. That was never my intention - which is why I PM'ed you to explain the situation originally.



With all of that being said, I just read your post about your bad day and your sick little one. Putting my stone-faced Moderator hat aside, I'm moving the thread back into the Poetry forum. In the future, please consider all of the stuff I posted above. Thinking about it further, I'm not sure if it's actually possible to have a stone-faced hat, but at least it'll now be possible for you to have your poetry contest.

Best wishes to your child as well.

 

[Rybka]

I was informed that my thread for the witchy woman contest was removed because someone complained that it was spam. I apologize if it seemed that I was promoting my site. I've had several contests here, and many challenges. I simply enjoyed doing it. And I did host the contests at my site so I could do something special there by featuring the poems, making my silly little awards...
But that's not promoting my site. These contests were discussed here at lit, not at my site. The poems were usually posted here. My contests weren't just for my site. I expanded the contests to lit, because this is my home on the net. I spend my time here... but not anymore.

I hope you do not leave us. You are one of the reasons that I frequent this site as often as I do. I realize that I am just a small fish in a deep sea, and any kelp or weed-line is deliciously attractive. ><)))°<

I don't understand why anyone would call the mention of your latest contest "SPAM" when no one has complained before. The Literotica site does not seem to object to direct links to separate websites. And at least your website is able to display poems as written. Something that Literotica cannot do as of yet.

Well. at least you have one (correctly displayed) poem entered in the contest that originated from this site. I would post it on Literotica, except that this website cannot display it as written.

Was the notification of removal a personal note from Laurel "Rumsfeld", or a computer generated notice? If the latter, ask the Web-Mistress for a personal explanation.

I am beginning to think that S.J. is not paranoid!


Regards,                 Rybka

PS: Please excuse any/all typo/grammatical mistakes tonight. I am pissed, and progressively getting that way (more)!

 

[WickedEve]

perky, she received "several spam complaints."

I hope someone else will start another contest that is on this board exclusively. The witchy woman contest will still be on my site. But I'd also love to see more contests here since so many of us were enjoying them. We have a good community here that will only keep being that way if we all participate and contribute. I know that daughter and U.P. were wonderful about providing us with poetic stimulation... until they left. After they left, I missed the contests and other activities that they started, so I took it upon myself (and I know some others did) to keep things going. Though, it appears that I handled it wrong. I simply wanted to share activities that I had on my site with my friends here. I didn't stop think that it could be considered spam by a few.

 

[WickedEve]

Rybka, I could deep fry you, deep you in tarter sauce, and eat you.

 

[WickedEve]

The dumping of that thread was nothing personal against WickedEve or her site. I let her know that in a PM when I removed it.

I received several complaints about the thread, and made a judgment call in removing it. After looking at it again, and thinking about it further, I still think it was the right decision.

Literotica is a large community, and many of the members here also run their own websites. In fact, a number of these fellow webmasters are personal friends of mine. Being involved in the running of a website, I think they understand even more so how important having an aggressively enforced anti-spam policy is. This is something that we have tried to enforce more or less objectively, friend or foe. A number of Lit webmasters promote their sites in their signatures and profiles, and I've never had a problem with this (except when some people have gone crazy and used huge banners, buttons, blinking text, etc.).

Again, this is nothing personal. Several people brought it to me as spam, and if we don't take action, then others may see this as a green light to start threads with the sole purpose of promoting other websites.

I apologize if you were offended. That was never my intention - which is why I PM'ed you to explain the situation originally.



With all of that being said, I just read your post about your bad day and your sick little one. Putting my stone-faced Moderator hat aside, I'm moving the thread back into the Poetry forum. In the future, please consider all of the stuff I posted above. Thinking about it further, I'm not sure if it's actually possible to have a stone-faced hat, but at least it'll now be possible for you to have your poetry contest.

Best wishes to your child as well.

I didn't even see your post laurel until just now. I was on that thread and the person who complained is still upset for some silly reason. Why didn't he/she complain about my other contest? Anyway, I edited it. I told everyone to post to the thread and that we would do the voting here like we did with the space contest. But now that I read your response, I'd like you to remove the thread.

 

[nakedangelina]

Wicked Eve

WE, with all you have given to us in the Lit Poetry community, I am shocked that anyone would have the balls to complain about spam. You are the backbone of this, at least since I have been here. It is bullshit to call it spam, you are not a newbie with 10 posts putting up a porn link in a thread. You care about this place, and the people, and anyone who knows you can see that. I may not post often, but I read through the threads daily, and have enjoyed the hell out of the contest thread, the Please Play with me Thread was a hoot behind the sceens. I can totally understand if you need to take a break, I would be furious if I were in your shoes. Just please know that you have many people here that you have touched and influenced that stand behind you 110%.


(pardon the french, guys, my daddy was a sailor)

 

[WickedEve]

Re: Wicked Eve

WE, with all you have given to us in the Lit Poetry community, I am shocked that anyone would have the balls to complain about spam. You are the backbone of this, at least since I have been here. It is bullshit to call it spam, you are not a newbie with 10 posts putting up a porn link in a thread. You care about this place, and the people, and anyone who knows you can see that. I may not post often, but I read through the threads daily, and have enjoyed the hell out of the contest thread, the Please Play with me Thread was a hoot behind the sceens. I can totally understand if you need to take a break, I would be furious if I were in your shoes. Just please know that you have many people here that you have touched and influenced that stand behind you 110%.


(pardon the french, guys, my daddy was a sailor)

Thanks, but I see Laurel's point now. I mentioned my site too much. I just get too carried away. I wanted to do something special. That's why I featured the poems there, made the awards, and special pages...etc... things I can't do here. The contests were basically done here at lit. This is were we discussed them and posted them. If anyone has followed any of the contests that I've done in the past, they would know that most everything took place here on this board.

I'm just bothered that several people were upset by this. And knowing that laurel obviously sees it as some form of spam makes me feel worse. I'm not a spammer. And I don't want to be here anymore if someone thinks that about me.

 

[lickmyboot]

This sucks. I didn't see it as spam at all. I'm just glad it wasn't taken down for "religious" reasons.

Please don't leave us WE. You're one of the main reasons I enjoy coming to the boards.

 

[nakedangelina]

Re: Re: Wicked Eve

I'm just bothered that several people were upset by this. And knowing that laurel obviously sees it as some form of spam makes me feel worse. I'm not a spammer. And I don't want to be here anymore if someone thinks that about me.

WE, you are not a spammer, you are an important part of this community, damnit.

I am pissed that anyone made you feel this way. I am getting out of here for now.

 

[TheDR4KE]

Please add my name to the list of people whom you can turn to for support when you're feeling down.

I don't think your post was spam, and I think there are some clear deciding issues there, mostly if not solely to do with whether the attraction of literotica readers to an external site would make income for the external site and/or reduce readership for here.

What you were doing would really in fact maintain and increase literotica visits, and I don't believe you were getting any income from folks visiting your site. You probably spend more money or time on the upkeep of that than our time spent chatting with you could easily repay.

Take some time out and draw on the strength of your friends and family.

Blessings on you and yours, particularly your little one who clearly can do with some healing energy at this time also.

Love,

Drake

PS Laurel, I understand your actions, and I wonder if there is a spam policy of some sort written up? I've just spent 10 minutes looking for one but to no avail.. Thanks, D

 

[WickedEve]

Thank you, Drake.
Actually, I was looking for the spam policy too. I'm sure it's right in front of me but I can't see it! lol
I was thinking about all the times on this board that one of us has posted a link to an interesting poetry site for others to visit. We're not promoting that site, we just want other memebers on the board to check something interesting out. It's done all the time. Is that spam? A link is posted. What if I have a new drawing or something on my site, can I tell my friends here to go check it out? I seriously don't know the answer.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I can't believe it! Who would have the nerve to do such a thing? Several complaints about the thread? By whom? Everyone in the Poetry Feedback & Discussion board knows that Eve is the most important poster here! Just look at her last two competitions: all entries were made from regular posters from this board; all poems were discussed here, even the voting! Most, if not all of the poems are also here at Lit.

AND, the least important thing, really:
spam is unsolicited commercial message sent to a large number of addresses.

Laurel, have you even seen Eve's site? Commercial? How? Frankly, I think you should be thankful Eve went through all this trouble. Literotica has been the only real beneficiary of it.

I'm disgusted, the only reason someone would dream of reporting that thread was to destroy the poetry board...

 

[Laurel]

This is totally separate from Eve's specific post, as we have already talked with Eve, and we're cool with her.

There are various reasons why people visit Literotica. One of those reasons is that they know we have and enforce a strict anti-spam policy. Part of that policy is that we do not allow users, registered or not, to use the Literotica forum to promote other sites. It doesn't matter if those sites are profit or non-profit, upside down or right-side up, black or white, blue or green. Literotica was not started as a place for people to visit looking to promote other sites. There are millions of bulletin boards, link lists, and search engines where people can promote other sites. This just isn't one of them. Anyone who has been here for a while knows this.

Without strict anti-spam rules, the Lit forum would be quickly overrun by people looking to promote something. This is not my opinion - that's the way the Internet works.

Again, the specific issue with Eve has been long since resolved, happily for both of us, but feel free to bump this thread as you see fit.

 

[WickedEve]

Thank you for removing the thread. I feel better. It was nice for you to restore it against your better judgment. But I didn't like you compromising for me.

Lauren, thanks for the hissy fit. All of this has taken the wind from my sails. I'm just going to fade into the background for a while until this is forgotten. I'm blushing with embarrassment. But sad about the contest. It's not the same now that I can't share it with you all.

 

[Senna Jawa]

I received several complaints about the thread,

Why such a discretion? Why wouldn't they complain openly, in public? Why are you covering for them?

We are not talking about national security, nuclear secrets, personal medical records, or protecting underaged troubled individuals. There is no reason for such behind Eve's and our back acting by those complainers. It should be public or it should be disregarded.

... and made a judgment call in removing it. After looking at it again, and thinking about it further, I still think it was the right decision.

You own the place, so you do not even need to explain anything. By definition your decisions are "right". This does not give you any right to do what you did to me, and actually to other participants of this board too. And you cannot redefine, use and abuse words as you please. What Eve was doing was not any spam. Yes, she was informing us about her site. You may (irrationally) ask her not to do it. But Eve didn't spam. There was no characteristic of any spam.

The situation is much more serious in my case. You crossed some lines which you should not. I hope that you are mature enough to realize it. I am patiently waiting for your full apology. Others may allow you to act like this at the expense of their selfesteem. But I value my rights. Your ownership of Literotica does not mean that you can violate them.

-- Wlodzimierz Holsztynski (Senna Jawa)

 

[Angeline]

Well I'm Entering that Contest

at that other site, which is extemely classy and has very cool artwork and great poetry.

It's just a difficult situation. Laurel recognizes, if she didn't already that the regulars on this board (really, everybody) holds the Wicked babe in pretty high estem (though god knows why the way she sluttishly flounces around here--or is that what's her name, Emelda McFlurry).

Laurel does not want to bend the rules too much--I can respect that--this site has always been pretty clear about the spamming thing. I've been chastized in Literotica chat for posting links to my poems. (and having said that Senna, my self-esteem is still ok! )

I suspect laurel feels that she has to make some hard decisions in the name of equity.

I think I'm going to submit some new poems of mine to that WE place if she's interested.

 

[stargirl32]

umm cant all the " ads " we put under our posts also be classed as spam ,, premoting our work ,, no matter where its sited??????





hugs to all poeticly incorrect posters ,,

 

[WickedEve]

Yes, Angeline, I'm interested.

But for the sake of our poetry community here, I have started a new Literotica Witchy Woman contest.

As for the matter of spam, I'm still bothered by that. I will try to let it go, but I did see one thread on another board that consisted of 5 pages of links to sites, with descriptions that encouraged visits. I saw nothing wrong with it. The group on that board is a community like we are. They hang out on that board and stay there mostly. They may visit these sites of interest but then come immediately back to their lit board. Actually, all the boards around here constantly post site links. "Hey check out this cool thing at ----.com" We do it on this board. I'm not sure if clear rules on this are written somewhere, but we do need to know the rules. I don't want to take advantage of Laurel's forum. I'm grateful to have this place. But some of us do put a lot of energy into this place (because we enjoy it) and we do want to feel a sense of fairness. I want to be fair to those who complained, but I want fairness too.

 

[KillerMuffin]

One of the things I like about this entire discussion board--not just the poetry place where I don't spend a lot of time--is the fact it's mostly unmoderated and it's mostly very fair. I've never heard of anyone complaining about the moderators playing favorites. I'm not a new person, but I am one of those people that moves in and runs roughshod over others. I also think that we need new people to grow. Fresh opinions and fresh ideas. I believe that one of the most important things a new person can see when entering the forum is that the moderators will treat them, with 3 posts, exactly the same as they treat me, with *blush* a lot of posts.

I don't think WE was spamming because the verb spam requires intent and her motives in doing what she did were absolutely wonderful. She just wanted to help Literotica's poets.

The problem wasn't with her or her thread at all. The problem stems from everyone else. If WE can do that, well, why can't I? I have a site myself, I could create a story contest and run with it. A Nice Guy has a site and runs a few others for people. He could create a story contest, too. Except that ANG runs for-profit websites. They aren't pay-sites, but they advertise paysites. They offer free content to the public. I don't have a paysite and my only motive in running it is to have a spot to give people a chance to sign up for my list service. But if I could run one, why couldn't ANG? To him (I'm picking on him, but I don't believe he would feel this way) there's no difference in sites and you'll never convince him there is. They both have free content and neither of them intend to compete with Literotica as story sites. If I were allowed to run it, then in all fairness, so should he. This is why I think she was right. It sucks because WE gets absolutely nothing in return for her efforts beyond the satisfaction of helping others. But playing favorites is never the right way to go.

 

[Suzi]

Hmmmmmm....*listens attentively*

*hugs Wicked Eve*

I like you already!

 

[WickedEve]

Re: Hmmmmmm....*listens attentively*

*hugs Wicked Eve*

I like you already!

I like you too, and one reason is because that's a totally cool Egyptian AV!