Community Values?!@#

catalina_francisco

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I have had it mentioned to me of late by a few posters that we seem to be going in a direction here of separating and segregating, and that it is of concern to them. I have to agree in part, though for the most part I do not think it is people's intention when they begin a thread which invites participation of people only from a particular country (not cultural discussions, but discussions only between those of a particular country or culture), or of a particular role (eg. all switches or all subs or all Dom/mes etc. invited as the ones wanted in the thread), or set up a thread for visiting or posting to a particular poster, usually the thread starter...much more likely it is done without thinking how it might look or feel to others.

We have over the years managed to establish a fairly cohesive community here full of characters and personalities of varying and sometimes unique qualities, with diverse experiences and knowledge to share with everyone. For the most part I think that is what makes it one of the best and busiest BDSM forums on the net which has not fallen foul to descending into nothing but posing, bitching, inane chatter and bragging. It is a place where many have found they can come for unbiased and honest advice and support, and from many viewpoints, not to mention friendship...some of us have been fortunate enough to meet others from here and loved the experience. :cathappy: Hey, and don't forget our many marriages and relationships which have occurred between fellow BDSM Litsters.....that has to be some kind of record, if not magic!!

While I appreciate some people might want to come to the forum and just have one thread to visit, or a place they can call theirs, it doesn't do much toward maintaining the sharing nature we have encouraged and developed here where everyone Dom/me, sub/slave, switch alike is treated and seen as an equal member of the community. It also is not possible by Lit rules which state a thread starter does not won that thread or rule what happens within it. We are not here to establish hierarchies, or play out roles to the degree Dom/mes hold top position and command the attention and respect of all others beneath them....we come here as equals to share our experiences, joys, sorrows, disappointments, frustrations, bad moods, good moods, triumphs, thoughts and knowledge and hopefully support each other and grow a little from the whole blend of personalities, roles, and lives lived.

I don't want this taken the wrong way, or as a way of singling out people, as it is not the intention because as I said, I believe most if not all do not establish threads with the intention of appearing to exclude others or place themselves above everyone else or be seen as 'special' or with more knowledge than the rest...I just want to encourage people to think outside their first thought and see how their actions might impact on some, and the community spirit as a whole. There are some here, both past and present who have commanded respect and trust without it being their intention, but done so through their words and the way they have established trust with others through the truth of those words, openness, and their sharing with everyone. As I said, it is much like when you meet someone online as a prospective partner....you learn to trust and respect them bit by bit through their behaviour and words, not because they tell you that you must or limit knowledge to their thoughts only....Shadowsdream is one who springs to mind who has developed that level of trust in this community....there are others also. We are a community, have been for several years, hopefully we will continue to be. :rose:

Catalina :catroar:
 
There are people with unfortunately thin skin, who see exclusion and rejection at every turn, intended or not. Tis a pity, but it's an unavoidable reality of humanity. There are folks who get their knickers in a knot at every available opportunity.

Inclusion and acceptance are great values and character traits. But that doesn't make the occasional "Boys Only" or "Women Only" or "Left-Handed Gay Pangolean Anteaters Only" thread a bad thing. Sometimes the object of the thread is to meet and communicate with people in similar situations. After all, we Owners can't speak of the yearnings of a slave's heart from personal experience unless we have ourselves been a slave at some point in our journeys.

Yes, _some_ exclusive threads are _intended_ to be divisive. Most are not. Most are intended to draw in a target demographic, no more, no less, and that's okay. I may not _be_ a gay male, but I can certainly post in a gay male thread. I may not be a lesbian, but I suppose if I wanted to butt in to a Lesbian Only thread I could. My personal philosophy is to be myself and go where I am welcome and wanted, and to leave those who don't want me or mine in peace to pursue their own vision of happiness.

My ego is not so large, nor so fragile, that if someone starts a thread that actively or intentionally excludes me (or those like me) that I feel some sort of compulsion to foist myself upon them and enlighten them of the error of their ways for leaving me out. So if someone wants to start a Brownie/Girl Scout Uniform Fetishists thread they should feel safe from my wrath.

People should be able to walk their own path in peace, and if we can share a bit of our paths along the way, that's all to the good.
 
Evil_Geoff said:
My ego is not so large, nor so fragile, that if someone starts a thread that actively or intentionally excludes me (or those like me) that I feel some sort of compulsion to foist myself upon them and enlighten them of the error of their ways for leaving me out. So if someone wants to start a Brownie/Girl Scout Uniform Fetishists thread they should feel safe from my wrath.

People should be able to walk their own path in peace, and if we can share a bit of our paths along the way, that's all to the good.

That is all well and good Geoff, however shouldn't that kind of thread be put in the right place?

I personally do not care one way or the other, however, it makes me curious to break out things into numerous categories so that people have to repeat themselves and answer the same GD questions fifty times. If the US people break themselves into 50 states then how much fun will that be to post?


I rarely post now because I have said what I have to say and then said it again two more times because people are too lazy to read what I post in the first place.

When will be end? It won't.

Eb
 
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Ebonyfire said:
I rarely post now because I have said what I have to say and then said it again two more times because people are too lazy to read what I post in the first place.

When will be end? It won't.

Eb


IMO, that's a damn good thing...that it won't end, that is.

I don't think it's a matter of "too lazy"...it's a matter of wishing for live time interaction, as much as can be done in an online forum. I HATE searching for and getting answers to questions by reading posts made ages ago. The people may not even be around anymore to appreciate my comments to their input, or to add their thoughts to my input. It has a very researchy feel about it that frankly, is very boring. The library for instance...it's nice and all, I'm glad it's there for those that want it, but I've never used it because I prefer discussion to research, even at the risk of being redundant.

If we didn't talk about anything that had already been talked about for fear of annoying the people that happened to participate last time, this would be a very very quiet forum. I haven't seen an original question in a very long time. I HAVE, however, seen original input and answers to those same old questions as experiences are so varied, as are opinions.

So...yeah. I hope it never ends! :)
 
I don't actually think this is an issue about people being too thin skinned because those who have mentioned it to me have not been upset and ranting, but they have been concerned with the direction it is going given it is becoming more and more prevelant. Perhaps it is more realistic to suggest those creating threads which segregate and divide people up as being thin skinned otherwise why would they feel the need to do so instead of participate with everyone in the forum as a whole? :confused: I like to think of it as a stitch in time might save nine.

It would be a shame if we logged in one morning to destress and have some good discussion only to find there is an Evil Geoff thread, a Catalina thread, a Grace thread, a shy_slave thread, a Shadowsdream thread etc etc., all existing under each posters name with the hope everyone would gather on that thread to discuss anything that came up...basically if we all have our own threads, who is going to visit who, and how is anyone going to know what is being discussed where and when or even if there is any discussion and knowledge sharing taking place? It could end up that you have 10 threads discussing subspace or some other topic at the exact same time...doesn't seem very efficient or fun to go that way.

I would think that is more like creating a chat room (or several chat rooms) than actually having a forum where people come to discuss BDSM or lurk and have some of the questions they do not feel ready to ask, answered. It is not a chat room or a role play forum...it is a BDSM discussion forum where we have all managed to have fun and also learn without dividing up into small groups. Sort of reminds me of the discussion not so long ago about how cliquish the forum was becoming and at the time I didn't see it as such...perhaps I was just too distracted.:eek:

Catalina :catroar:
 
I love you all!

See how much my outlook has improved today?

:D

That's largely because of you!

Fury :rose:
 
FurryFury said:
I love you all!

See how much my outlook has improved today?

:D

That's largely because of you!

Fury :rose:


See, I said the place was magic....we heal people, we make them fall in lurve and marry, we distract beyond belief, and on a good day we make them all fall into our temptations. :D

Catalina :catroar:
 
catalina_francisco said:
See, I said the place was magic....we heal people, we make them fall in lurve and marry, we distract beyond belief, and on a good day we make them all fall into our temptations. :D

Catalina :catroar:

Temptations! I like that part!

LOL!

And distractions too!

Fury :rose:
 
Let's start a war
A nuclear war
At the Gay bar
Gay bar
Gay bar
Gay Bar
 
Ebonyfire said:
That is all well and good Geoff, however shouldn't that kind of thread be put in the right place?

I personally do not care one way or the other, however, it makes me curious to break out things into numerous categories so that people have to repeat themselves and answer the same GD questions fifty times. If the US people break themselves into 50 states then how much fun will that be to post?


I rarely post now because I have said what I have to say and then said it again two more times because people are too lazy to read what I post in the first place.

When will be end? It won't.

Eb



Man, can I ever agree with that! :cool:
 
Let's see... this isn't 2002. But it (the complaint) looks like something similar. I remember six or seven shit-stirrer threads to every one useful thread, and everyone was so tweaked, newcomers got chopped off at the knees. This place doesn't seem to operate that way anymore, and it's a little disconcerting that some folks may think it is.

And I realized something. I did a search of all my posts in this forum going all the way back, and it depressed the hell out of me. I'm answering questions I answered four years ago, or ones I asked four years ago. With the same frikkin' information. I've become totally stagnant, moreso even than when I signed on here for the first time. So I'm a little bummed right now.
 
SpectreT said:
This place doesn't seem to operate that way anymore, and it's a little disconcerting that some folks may think it is.


Well from where I sit it is just the same tune in a different key. It depends on who you are.
 
Ebonyfire said:
Wizard! How the hell are you and yours! You are one of the people I have missed.

Eb



LOL Hi ya Eb, we are doing very well and hope all is well with you also for sure....


I still check in here myself pretty often and just lurk and read.... love to enjoy the threads...
 
Ebonyfire said:
Well from where I sit it is just the same tune in a different key. It depends on who you are.



I see both point and some do want that interaction I'm sure and that is a good point or argument but I do know when I joined I read every thread I could before posting because I didn't want to ask something that was just ask. I don't mind saying the same thing over and over but so much could be learned by just reading this board. I can say for a fact I have watched it all cycle over and over, same topics, different folks posting a lot but same questions...


I love to see folks participating....
 
SpectreT said:
Let's see... this isn't 2002. But it (the complaint) looks like something similar. I remember six or seven shit-stirrer threads to every one useful thread, and everyone was so tweaked, newcomers got chopped off at the knees. This place doesn't seem to operate that way anymore, and it's a little disconcerting that some folks may think it is.

And I realized something. I did a search of all my posts in this forum going all the way back, and it depressed the hell out of me. I'm answering questions I answered four years ago, or ones I asked four years ago. With the same frikkin' information. I've become totally stagnant, moreso even than when I signed on here for the first time. So I'm a little bummed right now.






Another old friend....Spectre, great to see ya...


Nope not 2002, not 1999 either when there was 50 of us on the entire site and we all knew one another, knew there wife's and about there kids or problems in there life. We really were a family in those days... No even close to that now. I have learned so much from so many others over the years. I really have watch a few boards cycle threw the rewind button.
Funny thing with the changes that we can stop, I have walked away with quite a few friends that I still post with today and still talk on the phone with... Friends from here and years ago...
 
saw_man1 said:
For what it's worth and at the risk of sounding trite; what’s old news to you is brand new to quite a few people here.
I can't tell you how many threads I've read (and Dixi can attest to this) asking for advice, from, presumably people with experience in this lifestyle to just be shot down as soon as it's offered. The thread starter has a kazillion reasons why a response from someone like Dixi, can't/won't/doesn't work. And she's right, it does become disheartening.
 
Ebonyfire said:
That is all well and good Geoff, however shouldn't that kind of thread be put in the right place?

I personally do not care one way or the other, however, it makes me curious to break out things into numerous categories so that people have to repeat themselves and answer the same GD questions fifty times. If the US people break themselves into 50 states then how much fun will that be to post?


I rarely post now because I have said what I have to say and then said it again two more times because people are too lazy to read what I post in the first place.

When will be end? It won't.

Eb



Psssss...... Hey Eb, you know your so sexy when you talk like that.... :cool: :cool:
 
SpectreT said:
Let's see... this isn't 2002. But it (the complaint) looks like something similar. I remember six or seven shit-stirrer threads to every one useful thread, and everyone was so tweaked, newcomers got chopped off at the knees. This place doesn't seem to operate that way anymore, and it's a little disconcerting that some folks may think it is.

And I realized something. I did a search of all my posts in this forum going all the way back, and it depressed the hell out of me. I'm answering questions I answered four years ago, or ones I asked four years ago. With the same frikkin' information. I've become totally stagnant, moreso even than when I signed on here for the first time. So I'm a little bummed right now.

LOL, well I still like you heaps...perhaps this is one of those messages from the depths of the universe to help motivate you into action...I need them regularly sometimes, though not as much as in the past....think age is beginning to tick loudly and I am realising there is a limit to how long I have to do a million and one things and then some. :D
 
catalina_francisco said:
LOL, well I still like you heaps...perhaps this is one of those messages from the depths of the universe to help motivate you into action...I need them regularly sometimes, though not as much as in the past....think age is beginning to tick loudly and I am realising there is a limit to how long I have to do a million and one things and then some. :D



Let me say this, I take my hat off to you. I have often checked in here and see that your posting and going strong! Your patients is way more than I have for some of the issues I see here....


I have gotten somewhat of an attitude for the more stupid shit and might say something that someone just don't want to hear.....


Your one of my heroes here.... :cool:
 
I'm confused. Just what kind of threads are we talking about, here? Those that talk about a sub's place to hang out, or a Dom's place, or all of the "what's your sign" threads, or the "how did you decide on your name" threads, or the threads where newbies can ask questions, etc.?

I did notice one recently created thread where some newbies were asking questions. A couple of them even said "finally" they had a place where they could ask questions. I don't understand that.

I think it's just people don't know how or don't want to take the time to search the forum before asking questions, or starting threads. It is all a cycle, really. New people come and go, and there are some of us who stick around. Someone new thinks they have a good idea for a thread and start one, then some old timers come and complain, because it's the second or third time that thread was started.

Of course, it isn't the same, for the person who started the thread. They weren't here when the other threads were started, and they want to feel as if they are part of this community. So, when they think they have an idea for a thread, they go for it. And, actually, just searching and finding an origional thread that was started by someone who has been gone for four years and adding your post to it just sometimes doesn't cut it. People want to leave their mark...and seeing the posts and views add up, they feel they have "arrived".

Now, was this what we are talking about, or am I still confused? :confused:
 
Kajira Callista said:
why are there two of these threads :confused: I dunno if i am supposed to post to both or not now *cries*



LOL Be safe Kajira, post on one and post a link to the other.... ;)
 
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