Combined Moderation Morality Question

[oggbashan]

Make the vampire in her 30s having become a vampire in her 20s and the story should pass with no problem.

 

[Voboy]

Warp the death age from sixteen to eighteen.

Problem solved. No more vitriol, no more uncertainty, no more problems.

Seems simple to me. It’s only an extra 24 months. I don’t get all the wailing and gnashing of teeth. This is Lit. There are submission rules.

And, frankly, I don’t really understand why thin-skinned people even bother asking advice. This is a forum, not a group of yes-men.

 

[KeithD]

Electric blue and Keith, you’re both full-of-yourselves, obnoxious pricks. Really, take a look in the mirror. You’re piss poor people. No, you’re not better than everyone here. No, you don’t know what other people are thinking. No, you don’t get to hand down judgment based on how amazingly intuitive you are about what other people think.

You’re just dicks.

Later. I won’t be back to this shit forum for another decade.

At least the post ended well.

 

[Rob_mDear]

Sigh. Let me explain this to you, and then I’ll never return.

You seem to think I’m the bad guy here. I’m not, and the fact that you can’t see that is exactly your problem, all of you.

Re-read what I wrote. Until Keith and Electric Blue, and then Hypoxia and others started to attack me, I was cordial, honest and candid. I did not attack you. I simple responded in kind

People here decided to read into my motives, presume to understand them or me based on a few paragraphs of text and their own personal experience, and then to get angry at my perceived intentions. It was your chance to scold me. Your chance to tell me what you know I’m doing and thinking. Your chance to be holier than thou.

That is exactly what is wrong with these boards. People here behave as if they’re gods in this private little world you have, and it’s disgusting. Your behavior is awful. Take a moment to re-read the thread. View it as an author should, trying to understand how a reader is going to perceive your words.

Do you get it yet? You were harsh, cruel, judgmental, and total unjustified. It’s obnoxious. Add to that Keith’s childish “at least the post ended well” bullshit and you have every thing that’s wrong with these boards, right there, in a nutshell.

I should have known better. These boards are full of egotistical, damaged people that have no idea how to really connect with other people; maybe that’s why so many of you are locked in a world of writing erotica, because true empathy and connection is beyond you. All you have is words in a tiny little Internet fantasy world where your private club is at the top of the food chain.

There, I’ve said my piece. I know you won’t read or understand a word of it, because in your narcissistic thought-pattern you view everyone as the subhuman enemy, and you are the gods. Fine. Enjoy wielding the thunder.

 

[KeithD]

I guess this means you lied when you said you wouldn't be back for ten years.

Posting stories here for eleven years should damn well mean you know the posting rules. They aren't EB66's or Hypo's or my rules, but we have to deal with them with argumentative "it's all about me" posters like you constantly.

 

[oggbashan]

The original post asked if it was OK for a vampire to be stuck at age 16. The simple answer is no, not on Literotica, given the further information in that first post.

If the person asking the question won't accept that answer, despite having said that the age was not really critical - then the statement that it was not critical is not true.

The 'no sex before 18' is fundamental to Literotica.

 

[MelissaBaby]

These boards are full of egotistical, damaged people that have no idea how to really connect with other people; maybe that’s why so many of you are locked in a world of writing erotica, because true empathy and connection is beyond you. All you have is words in a tiny little Internet fantasy world where your private club is at the top of the food chain.

I think that what these boards, or at least this one, are full of is passionate, dedicated people who put a great deal of time, effort and heart into crafting stories for other people to enjoy. It should come as no surprise that they object when someone comes along and threatens their opportunity to do so here by trying to find ways to skirt around the clearly stated site rules, and potentially putting the site at risk.

 

[Hypoxia]

Until Keith and Electric Blue, and then Hypoxia and others started to attack me, I was cordial, honest and candid.

Excuse me. Please point to a post where I 'attacked' you.

I merely pointed out that Laurel (site goddess) will reject a story she thinks shows what appears to be an underage human having sex. If a character in an underage body is shown in sex, the story is not for LIT. Is that clear enough?

 

[KeithD]

I think that what these boards, or at least this one, are full of is passionate, dedicated people who put a great deal of time, effort and heart into crafting stories for other people to enjoy. It should come as no surprise that they object when someone comes along and threatens their opportunity to do so here by trying to find ways to skirt around the clearly stated site rules, and potentially putting the site at risk.

Nailed it.

 

[NotWise]

I think that what these boards, or at least this one, are full of is passionate, dedicated people who put a great deal of time, effort and heart into crafting stories for other people to enjoy. It should come as no surprise that they object when someone comes along and threatens their opportunity to do so here by trying to find ways to skirt around the clearly stated site rules, and potentially putting the site at risk.

I agree with MB, and at the same time I don' t see an automatic rejection for the story described in the OP.

As I understand it, the woman was "turned" at sixteen, and the there's no sex in the story until the character is at least twenty.

You would have to make sure that the event of her being "turned" at sixteen has no sexual connotation or that the event is alluded to, but never described. Normally I expect that a sexual connotation would be interpreted into the event, so that could be a problem if it's described.

Starting the story when she's sixteen is asking for trouble. You would be better off starting closer to the time of the events, when she is at least twenty.

Describing the woman physically shouldn't be that much of a problem. Sixteen-year-old girls are physically mature. You probably wouldn't be able to tell from a picture of her whether she was sixteen or twenty four unless there were clues in setting, clothing, or hairstyle.

You would definitely want to avoid descriptions in which she is not fully mature, or which emphasize features that readers might associate with youth. Even though she does not age after she's turned, you might be able to describe injuries or other changes that highlight the passage of time.

You could be more confident that the story would be accepted if you avoided writing the story with her being "turned" at sixteen. If you do write it that way, then whether or not the story is acceptable depends on how you write it.

 

[Hypoxia]

I agree with MB, and at the same time I don' t see an automatic rejection for the story described in the OP.

As I understand it, the woman was "turned" at sixteen, and the there's no sex in the story until the character is at least twenty.

Her chronological age does not matter. Her body appears underage. Laurel bans 'apparent' underage sex. Laurel will reject this story.

 

[NotWise]

Her chronological age does not matter. Her body appears underage. Laurel bans 'apparent' underage sex. Laurel will reject this story.

As I said, a sixteen year old girl is physically mature, and normally appears physically mature. Describing her would not necessarily lead to a rejection based on underage sex.

 

[KeithD]

As I said, a sixteen year old girl is physically mature, and normally appears physically mature. Describing her would not necessarily lead to a rejection based on underage sex.

Describing her in sexual terms would. Why are you shoveling this misleading information? You've been here long enough to see where the Web site's edge is. I've had Laurel reject (initially, to subsequently post as submitted) stories not coming anywhere close to this edge on the basis of "possible" underage.

 

[NotWise]

Describing her in sexual terms would. Why are you shoveling this misleading information? You've been here long enough to see where the Web site's edge is. I've had Laurel reject (initially, to subsequently post as submitted) stories not coming anywhere close to this edge on the basis of "possible" underage.

Why do you think he's going to describe his 20+ character in sexual terms that make her appear to be underage? Particularly since a sixteen-year-old may not look at all under age.

He clearly knows there's a potential problem. Given that it's known, I'd expect him to avoid it.

There are several potential problems with the story concept, but none of them would necessarily get the story rejected. It depends on how it's written.

 

[Voboy]

There’s plainly nothing more to be gained by posting here.

OP, good luck with your story. 99% of the responses here have said the same thing; take that advice or don’t. But I’d humbly suggest that if you were likely to get butthurt (and your own statements about yourself in post #1 suggest you knew you were (last paragraph there)), then you never should have bothered asking.

Submit the story and see what Laurel says. Her word is the only one that matters.

 

[KeithD]

Why do you think he's going to describe his 20+ character in sexual terms that make her appear to be underage? Particularly since a sixteen-year-old may not look at all under age.

He clearly knows there's a potential problem. Given that it's known, I'd expect him to avoid it.

There are several potential problems with the story concept, but none of them would necessarily get the story rejected. It depends on how it's written.

Are you purposely trying to take us in circles on this again? There is only one reason that including 16 as a transition element in an erotica Web site story has any importance. Don't be silly.

 

[NotWise]

Are you purposely trying to take us in circles on this again? There is only one reason that including 16 as a transition element in an erotica Web site story has any importance. Don't be silly.

No intention of taking you in circles. My point is that the story concept is problematic, but it can be written without necessarily triggering rejection.

It's a problem if he says something like "She looked sixteen", and that would be made worse if he described her as if she were thirteen. It seems to me that if a writer even mentions an age under eighteen then they're often trying to titillate readers with "the age card," and that alone may deserve rejection.

The same thing could be said with "She looked younger than her years," and then offering little or no physical description, or a description of a physically mature person.

 

[KeithD]

No intention of taking you in circles. My point is that the story concept is problematic, but it can be written without necessarily triggering rejection.

It's a problem if he says something like "She looked sixteen", and that would be made worse if he described her as if she were thirteen. It seems to me that if a writer even mentions an age under eighteen then they're often trying to titillate readers with "the age card," and that alone may deserve rejection.

The same thing could be said with "She looked younger than her years," and then offering little or no physical description, or a description of a physically mature person.

What he could do in writing it and anything of what he's revealed of what he wants to do in writing it have no ipso facto connection. I've responded to what he's actually posted. He's the one who invoked the 16 figure. Where do you see him saying he plans to upscale that? He says in the OP that he really wants to stick with 16. Sure, he could write it all sorts of ways. That's not what has been posed here. You're moving the goalposts.

(Speaking of which, UVa just won the NCAA Men's Lacrosse championship. Wahoowa. The second national championship this year. )

 

[oggbashan]

What he could do in writing it and anything of what he's revealed of what he wants to do in writing it have no ipso facto connection. I've responded to what he's actually posted. He's the one who invoked the 16 figure. Where do you see him saying he plans to upscale that? Sure, he could write it all sorts of ways. That's not what has been posed here.

Exactly. It would be easy to change the story to comply with Literotica's rule on age as suggested several times, but the original poster doesn't seem to like the idea.

 

[NotWise]

What he could do in writing it and anything of what he's revealed of what he wants to do in writing it have no ipso facto connection. I've responded to what he's actually posted. He's the one who invoked the 16 figure. Where do you see him saying he plans to upscale that? He says in the OP that he really wants to stick with 16. Sure, he could write it all sorts of ways. That's not what has been posed here. You're moving the goalposts.

(Speaking of which, UVa just won the NCAA Men's Lacrosse championship. Wahoowa. The second national championship this year. )

I thought the original poster knew he had a problem and was looking for solutions.

He did express a willingness to go to an older age if he had to. I don't think he actually has to. There are several problems in the story concept and several solutions. The feedback he got from his post didn't give him many solutions.

And congratulations to UVa.

 

[Voboy]

The replies gave him the only “solutions” anyone here can give, based on the 40,000 previous threads just like this one:

1. Reiterate the under-18 rule.
2. Stress that it’s Laurel that makes the rules, not us.
3. Suggest that he upsize the age to bring his story into compliance.

That’s all we can say, and it’s what we said. If the OP chose to get butthurt, that’s his business.

 

[Hypoxia]

As I said, a sixteen year old girl is physically mature, and normally appears physically mature. Describing her would not necessarily lead to a rejection based on underage sex.

OP sez she 'turned' vamp at 16 so her body remains physically 16 until she melts. Thus she fits Laurel's rejection criteria of "appears underage". Doesn't matter if she 'turned' at 16 in 1492 and the setting is 1992. She is described as appearing that age so she's OUT at LIT.

Similar: One month before their 18th birthday, Jan slips into an endless "Groundhog Day" scenario, reliving that same day for millennia, with sex added after a few years. Jan is very old now, yet still 17 years and 11 months physically. No go for LIT.

 

[NotWise]

OP sez she 'turned' vamp at 16 so her body remains physically 16 until she melts. Thus she fits Laurel's rejection criteria of "appears underage".

A sixteen year old girl doesn't "appear underaged." How many times do I have to say that?

It was my artistic daughter who (at the age of seventeen) pointed out that once a girl is over fourteen you can't tell from a picture whether she's fifteen or twenty four. She's physically mature, and the variation from one woman to another is far larger than the variation with age.

 

[SimonDoom]

A sixteen year old girl doesn't "appear underaged." How many times do I have to say that?

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But in the reader's mind she may. That's all that counts. No appeal to the way things "really are" in the real world counts for anything here on this question.

 

[oggbashan]

A sixteen year old girl doesn't "appear underaged." How many times do I have to say that?

It was my artistic daughter who (at the age of seventeen) pointed out that once a girl is over fourteen you can't tell from a picture whether she's fifteen or twenty four. She's physically mature, and the variation from one woman to another is far larger than the variation with age.

That is irrelevant to Literotica's rules.

In the UK a person can marry at age 16 (with parental consent). One of my cousins married on her 16th birthday. They have recently celebrated 50 years of marriage.

I couldn't write about her honeymoon on Literotica, so I won't.

Edited for PS:

One of our local policemen moved to the US with his wife. He applied for and was appointed as a Sheriff's Deputy but there was a problem. Their first child was born before his wife's 18th birthday. They had married when she was just 17. He had to get a Governor's pardon for statutory rape before he could be appointed to the post.