Collective Guilt: Why Feminism and White Supremacism are the same thing

[LJ_Reloaded]

It is a well known fact that if you commit a crime, like murdering a child, then it's better to be a white female. That's because white people and women get lesser time in jail than blacks or men for the exact same crime.

White supremacists argue that racial sentencing disparities are just, due to the statistical fact that blacks commit more crimes than whites.

Feminists, like some on here, argue that the disparity between genders is justified because of the statistical fact that men commit more crimes than women.

Therefore, in the mind of a Conservative, a white man who murders a pregnant woman deserves less time in prison than a black man who does the same thing, because the white guy is less of a threat to society. Likewise a woman who murders a kid, in the mind of a feminist, is less of a threat to society than a man who does the same thing. Which is why feminists are calling for abolishing jails for women.

Both of these movements are guilty of collective guilt. The only difference is one is based on racial grounds, and the other on gender grounds. That and Conservatives claim to champion individual liberty - except when it inconveniences their prejudiced worldview. Feminists say they stand for equality - except, again, when it inconveniences their prejudiced worldview.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are both identity politics claiming "social justice" in the name of equality while actively pursuing social and economic privileges along racial, gender lines like good little socialist degenerates.

Duhh....

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

They are both identity politics claiming "social justice" in the name of equality while actively pursuing social and economic privileges along racial, gender lines like good little socialist degenerates.

Duhh....

Except one of them is like you in that they claim to hate socialism hahahaha

 

[BotanyBoy]

Except one of them is like you in that they claim to hate socialism hahahaha

Neither is like me and neither claim to hate socialism.

 

[renard_ruse]

Therefore, in the mind of a Conservative, a white man who murders a pregnant woman deserves less time in prison than a black man who does the same thing, because the white guy is less of a threat to society.

They both deserve to be executed, dufus.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have always held that female criminals get lighter sentences that men for the same offences. Furthermore, women's prisons are less harsh than men's prisons. And, as proven by Andrea Jaeger, they are sometimes able to get away with evil deeds because they are women.

But the differences are not as pronounced when it comes to black and white criminals. After allowing for records of criminalities, there is little or no difference in sentencing, except that white on black crime is more likely to result in a hate crime enhancement.

 

[Fala]

"Feminists, like some on here, argue that the disparity between genders is justified because of the statistical fact that men commit more crimes than women."

I'm not a feminist...but read your own words again.

Ok, I read your op over again. I appreciate your pointing out the rampant racism....

....however, you have also pointed out your rampant misogyny.


Sorry, can't help ya here, dude.

 

[Boxlicker101]

"Feminists, like some on here, argue that the disparity between genders is justified because of the statistical fact that men commit more crimes than women."

I'm not a feminist...but read your own words again.

Ok, I read your op over again. I appreciate your pointing out the rampant racism....

....however, you have also pointed out your rampant misogyny.


Sorry, can't help ya here, dude.

Without question, men commit more crimes than woman. However, that shouldn't make any difference when it comes to individual sentencing. If Dick and Jane have comparable records and they form a robbery team and get caught and convicted, their sentences should be the same. Instead, Jane would probably get less time in prison and be paroled sooner. That is what I criticize.

 

[KimGordon67]

"Feminists, like some on here, argue that the disparity between genders is justified because of the statistical fact that men commit more crimes than women."

I'm not a feminist...but read your own words again.

Ok, I read your op over again. I appreciate your pointing out the rampant racism....

....however, you have also pointed out your rampant misogyny.


Sorry, can't help ya here, dude.

I'm sure you know how pointless engaging is Fala. (Although, in LJ's defence [and that's the last time you'll ever see me write that], he doesn't actually hate women. Just 'the feminists' ... or at least, the weird version of feminists that exist in his head, not to be confused with actual feminists.

 

[Fala]

I'm sure you know how pointless engaging is Fala. (Although, in LJ's defence [and that's the last time you'll ever see me write that], he doesn't actually hate women. Just 'the feminists' ... or at least, the weird version of feminists that exist in his head, not to be confused with actual feminists.

Gotcha! I'll back off then. Sad about his head injury tho.

 

[lickitandstickit]

Fuck it, let the feminist be in charge , a new world order. I for one embrace our new leaders

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/13/03/c2/1303c2ea69c444dc4a70506cfbd0b5d9--funny-pics-funny-shit.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fuck it, let the feminist be in charge , a new world order. I for one embrace our new leaders

I'm not really into being persecuted, tortured and burnt at the stake for being born male.

So how about no.

 

[lickitandstickit]

I'm not really into being persecuted, tortured and burnt at the stake for being born male.

So how about no.

maybe it'll be like living under the rule of Wu Zetian and the worst that can happen is you'll be forced to perform cunnilingus on demand...

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Neither is like me and neither claim to hate socialism.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt!

"Feminists, like some on here, argue that the disparity between genders is justified because of the statistical fact that men commit more crimes than women."

I'm not a feminist...but read your own words again.

Ok, I read your op over again. I appreciate your pointing out the rampant racism....

....however, you have also pointed out your rampant misogyny.


Sorry, can't help ya here, dude.

Muh Soggy Knees - defined as disagreeing with feminists. Gotcha!

I'm sure you know how pointless engaging is Fala. (Although, in LJ's defence [and that's the last time you'll ever see me write that], he doesn't actually hate women. Just 'the feminists' ... or at least, the weird version of feminists that exist in his head, not to be confused with actual feminists.

That's because feminists are corrupt. You were the one who said men deserve to be punished harder than women because men commit more crimes. Which, again, means you're arguing that a woman who murders a female child in cold blood should get less time than a man who does the same thing.

Basically your misandry hurts women.

Your line of reasoning is also identical to that of white supremacists.

You seemed to bug out of the discussion as soon as I pointed that out before.

 

[KimGordon67]

Denial isn't a river in Egypt!


Muh Soggy Knees - defined as disagreeing with feminists. Gotcha!


That's because feminists are corrupt. You were the one who said men deserve to be punished harder than women because men commit more crimes. Which, again, means you're arguing that a woman who murders a female child in cold blood should get less time than a man who does the same thing.

Basically your misandry hurts women.

Your line of reasoning is also identical to that of white supremacists.

You seemed to bug out of the discussion as soon as I pointed that out before.

I've never said that ... you have a perpetual habit of reinterpreting things I say to suit your own purposes. That's why I've stopped engaging. It's like debating things with a four year old. Or this.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Denial isn't a river in Egypt!

You being all fucked up and ignorant isn't denial on my part.

Sorry!!!! Try again.

 

[lickitandstickit]

go get em Kim LOL..

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2015/QwqATh.gif

 

[KimGordon67]

go get em Kim LOL..

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2015/QwqATh.gif

Really, I've given up. You can't have an intelligent debate with someone who reinterprets everything you say, refuses to read any evidence you provide, makes shit up to suit their argument, changes their argument as they go, and struggle to engage logic.

I could totally rock those boots though.

 

[lickitandstickit]

LOL... USA film . PAYBACK. Lucy Lui... one of her finest performances... totally worth the watch

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I've never said that ... you have a perpetual habit of reinterpreting things I say to suit your own purposes. That's why I've stopped engaging. It's like debating things with a four year old. Or this.

Actually, yes you did.

What I'd actually really be interested in seeing is the recidivism rates for men and women (which I assume you have to hand, given your clear interest in this topic). Although I've only skimmed through some of the material linked in here, and some related bits & pieces, the clear argument is that most women only commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances, and it's directed at a specific person. Therefore, their ongoing risk to society is pretty minimal. Whereas a lot of men have an ongoing pattern of violent behaviour, and therefore their risk to society, without reform, is ongoing. (And yes, this is linked to hegemonic masculinity.)
Recidivism rates would at least partly demonstrate that.

You're the reason why people hate feminists, and why so few people wanted to be called a feminist. You say things and then you come back and deny it.

You're like the Busybody of feminism.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Really, I've given up. You can't have an intelligent debate with someone who reinterprets everything you say, refuses to read any evidence you provide, makes shit up to suit their argument, changes their argument as they go, and struggle to engage logic.

I could totally rock those boots though.

You'd trip and fall just like you do here. You can't even remember the things that you say.

And you've "Given up" before but because you keep smacking yourself down you always have to come back in hopes of salvaging yourself.

This is you trying to take me on:
https://i.imgur.com/5Yr6O3P.gif

 

[KimGordon67]

Jesus wept. OK, try to keep up here. Earlier in this thread you said:
"You were the one who said men deserve to be punished harder than women because men commit more crimes. "

In the quote you've now pulled from another thread, I said:
"...the clear argument is that most women only commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances, and it's directed at a specific person."

My statement was not about the number of crimes that men or women commit at all. It was about the circumstances in which those crimes are committed, and about the assumptions one can make on the basis of that about their continued risk to society.
Can you see the difference? Basically, you said I made an assertion about quantity, but my actual statement was about quality.

All you're doing here is proving my claim that you reinterpret (and/or willfully misunderstand) what I say. This is precisely why I don't bother debating things with you.

And now you'll say 'no - it's exactly what I said' ... when any idiot could see that your assertion about my statement and my actual statement are entirely different.

 

[KimGordon67]

PS - I don't think you ever provided the gender breakdown of recidivism rates.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Jesus wept. OK, try to keep up here. Earlier in this thread you said:
"You were the one who said men deserve to be punished harder than women because men commit more crimes. "

In the quote you've now pulled from another thread, I said:
"...the clear argument is that most women only commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances, and it's directed at a specific person."

My statement was not about the number of crimes that men or women commit at all. It was about the circumstances in which those crimes are committed, and about the assumptions one can make on the basis of that about their continued risk to society.
Can you see the difference? Basically, you said I made an assertion about quantity, but my actual statement was about quality.

All you're doing here is proving my claim that you reinterpret (and/or willfully misunderstand) what I say. This is precisely why I don't bother debating things with you.

And now you'll say 'no - it's exactly what I said' ... when any idiot could see that your assertion about my statement and my actual statement are entirely different.

LOL

https://i.imgur.com/NKjNQVv.gif

I'm going to write this in colored pictures so maybe your childish brain can comprehend.

Recidivism rates pertains to the likelihood that someone will reoffend. That means they will commit more crimes.

So yeah, you did say that. You just don't realize you said that.

And yes, your argument is identical to white supremacist arguments about black recidivism and their justifications for why blacks should be punished more harshly than whites.

Also, if a woman kills her daughter your argument suggests she should get less time in jail - which she does - because "most women only commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances". So your brand of feminism hurts women.

https://i.imgur.com/tvdTyrp.gif

PS - I don't think you ever provided the gender breakdown of recidivism rates.

"I don't think you ever provided the racial breakdown of recidivism rates." - some Klansman out there.

https://i.imgur.com/r7Tzr5o.jpg

 

[KimGordon67]

LOL

https://i.imgur.com/NKjNQVv.gif

I'm going to write this in colored pictures so maybe your childish brain can comprehend.

Recidivism rates pertains to the likelihood that someone will reoffend. That means they will commit more crimes.

So yeah, you did say that. You just don't realize you said that.

And yes, your argument is identical to white supremacist arguments about black recidivism and their justifications for why blacks should be punished more harshly than whites.

Also, if a woman kills her daughter your argument suggests she should get less time in jail - which she does - because "most women only commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances". So your brand of feminism hurts women.

https://i.imgur.com/tvdTyrp.gif



"I don't think you ever provided the racial breakdown of recidivism rates." - some Klansman out there.

https://i.imgur.com/r7Tzr5o.jpg

No, I didn't say recidivism rates were the reason for men getting harsher sentences. I said the circumstances in which the crimes were committed were the reason. I introduced recidivism as evidence of the sort of crime, not the number of crimes being committed. The likelihood that, as I clearly stated, women tend to commit violent crime in extenuating circumstances, and it's directed at a specific person, whereas a lot of men have an ongoing pattern of violent behaviour is demonstrated by recidivism rates. That's not the same argument as saying recidivism rates cause harsher sentencing.
I get that it's a slightly complex argument, so the nuances may have escaped you, but I'm entirely clear about what I said, and it's there in black and white for anyone to read.

(BTW, you understand that gifs aren't actually an 'argument'?)