"Co-ed prisons"; a good intentioned bad idea or a brilliant plan?

[Frimost]

O.K.
Here is the subject:

Thai prisons mixed to control homosexuality

Sapa | October 18, 2002

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To discourage growing homosexuality in prisons, the Thai Corrections Department will allow male and female inmates to mix with each other, officials said Friday.
No physical contact will be allowed, and the mixing of sexes will be for limited periods during vocational training under close watch, they said.

In an initial experiment next month, 922 female inmates in a prison in the northern Nakhon Sawan province are to be allowed into a men's zone where they will work together on vocational activities, said Nathee Chitsawang, deputy director general of the Corrections Department.

"The activity will be closely monitored by wardens. After the activity they will escorted back to their respective zones," Nathee said.

If the experiment is successful, it will be expanded to other prisons nationwide, but there are no plans to house men and women together in prisons, he said.

He said officials have gathered anecdotal evidence that homosexuality has become a major problem among the 250,000 inmates, including 50,000 women, in the country's 312 prisons.

No statistical data has been collated, but the problem is believed to be huge and growing, he said. "A study showed that after long confinement with the same sex the inmates look at their fellow prisoners as more beautiful than people of the opposite sex," Nathee said.

"Male prisoners don't dare to look in the eyes of females when they come across each other," Nathee said. "This behavior has created the problem of homosexuality and we hope that mixing the sexes would help lessen the problem," Nathee said.

Thai officials say that homosexuality is causing more tensions in the country's notoriously overcrowded prisons, designed to hold just 100,000.

The overcrowding, caused by an increasing number of drug convictions, has been blamed for frequent fights and riots. In an effort to ease tensions, officials started a meditation course for inmates earlier this year.

Officials also encouraged inmates to form music bands and held soccer matches during the World Cup.

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Ok, now run with it.
What are your thought and opinions on the success or failure of this program? Is it a case of good intentions run amoke?

I'll be back sometime later to check to see what other people think of this.

Personally I don't think it will do any good and may even make things worse if they integrate them but then don't allow physical contact between them. In that case it is just a distracting temptation for the lonely, horny heterosexual prisoners of both genders. The sexual frustration may just cause more violence instead of less.



Thai prisons "goes co-ed" to dissuade gay relations among inmates

 

[phrodeau]

Let's start by discussing why the Thai officials consider homosexuality to be a problem.

 

[paganangel]

Let's start by discussing why the Thai officials consider homosexuality to be a problem.

you beat me to it. it appears they are trying to solve a non existent problem.

 

[Lasher]

Once again, Frimost, you're an idiot.

It doesn't say anything about the prisons being coed. In fact, the article you posted specifically states that the male and female prisoners are NOT housed in the same facility and are only brought together for certain, well-monitored activities.

This is just another example of why no one can take you seriously. You can't even pay attention to the garbage that you actually post.

 

[Frimost]

Once again Lasher, you are an asshole, you could have just answered the fucking question instead of insulting me, but noooo some civility and maturity would be too much to ask for from the likes of you.

Of course it is a problem, don't you watch Oz?

Seriously, I am pretty sure what they are referring to is the Heterosexual "Gay for the Stay" phenomenon of power and dominance and violent prison rape and not the honest to god gay as a sexual orientation homosexuals.

So in that vein take that into account in the hypothetical situation of it being instituted here in the U.S.

 

[Monazwx]

Once again, Frimost, you're an idiot.

It doesn't take long for this to happen in a Frimost thread does it.

 

[horny_giraffe]

Originally posted by Frimost ... Seriously, I am pretty sure what they are referring to is the Heterosexual "Gay for the Stay" phenomenon of power and dominance and violent prison rape and not the honest to god gay as a sexual orientation homosexuals... [/B]

I'd agree with Frimost on this one.

Why is it that it is deemed unhealthy and pathological for a gay person to be in a straight relationship, but not the other way around? Is it not possible that some homosexual behavior could also be pathological?

I'd say that the term Co-ed leaves a lot of wiggle room, but I'd say that this prison qualifies. The fact that the prisoners have contact at all with members of the opposite sex is quite significant.

I believe that it reinforces "normal" gender roles and is an excellent step in changing prisons from punishment to rehabilitation (which I would like to be the goals of prisons, ideally speaking.) It would cause problems, however, like virtually all of these sort of attempts at change.

 

[HeavyStick]

Bad idea.




Can I call you a shit shoveling monkey boy now, or do I have to wait til page 2?

 

[Frimost]

It doesn't take long for this to happen in a Frimost thread does it.

It sure doesn’t, because the clique doesn’t debate anything here but would rather hurl childish insults at everyone who is not part of their special little group like some pathetic schoolyard bullies.
And here I was under the impression that Lancecastor had made you agree to a 6-day moratorium on flames, where you would grow up and start acting like adults around here for a change? I guess that was not possible for some of you.
This place is called a General Discussion Board NOT a General Flame Board, take note of it.

This board does not belong to you and your clique, it belongs to all of us.

Littlestick, if you can't act like an adult then you can't sit at the grown-up's table. Take yourself and the pathetic cocktail weenie that you call your dick with you and vacate my thread.

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

 

[HeavyStick]

is that one of the childish insults you are talking about that you hurled???

Hypothetically, I could call you one hot chica who I'd like to share some mutual orgasms with. But I wouldn't do that. It would be sexist to reward you with lust as a gratuity.

 

[Frimost]

I believe that it reinforces "normal" gender roles and is an excellent step in changing prisons from punishment to rehabilitation (which I would like to be the goals of prisons, ideally speaking.) It would cause problems, however, like virtually all of these sort of attempts at change.

Ironically enough the whole prison system as we know it was invented in the 1800s in New England America as a well-intentioned, humanist idea of reforming people rather than brutal punishing and humiliation (as was the norm at the time). It was this very intention of reformation that started prisons as we know it and only later on did it de-evolve into a perverted form of punishment rather than rehabilitation back into civil society as a fully functioning, law abiding member as was supposed to occur.

 

[Lasher]

I'd say that the term Co-ed leaves a lot of wiggle room, but I'd say that this prison qualifies. The fact that the prisoners have contact at all with members of the opposite sex is quite significant.

The only person who used the term Coed was Lumpy Helmet when he started this thread.

And if you read the article that he posted, he specifically states the male and female prisoners are not in the same prison.

I don't see much wiggle room there at all.

The Boy Genius needs to work on his reading comprehension skills, I think.

 

[HeavyStick]

Littlestick, if you can't act like an adult then you can't sit at the grown-up's table. Take yourself and the pathetic cocktail weenie that you call your dick with you and vacate my thread.

Littlestick is very funny. I can act like an adult. It's when someone like you who conjures up false intelligence by posting something they have no idea about. Lasher smashed your thread.

Get over it, it's the fate of a thread. It happens to the best on Lit.

Your thread? If you want "your thread" go to the playground, they have titles and deeds.

 

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[Lasher]

Lasher smashed your thread.

LOL... Just like being 9 years old and playing T-Ball.

 

[Frimost]

I think its funny that these people think that being in preison "turns" someone gay.

"gay for the Stay" is not homosexual, at least not in the way you think it is, it is homosexual behavior as the only alternative sexual outlet and/or power and dominance play over other people in a pecking order of submission.

Lets see, believe actual ex-cons from prisons, interviews with convicts in prisons, studies on human behavior in single-sex institutions such as prison, TV news segments on life in prison, books, or some girl here on a Internet forum that likes to stalk me and act like a troll. Hmmm... tough one...

 

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[Frimost]

The only person who used the term Coed was Lumpy Helmet when he started this thread.

And if you read the article that he posted, he specifically states the the male and female prisoners are not in the same prison.

I don't see much wiggle room there at all.

The Boy Genius needs to work on his reading comprehension skills, I think.

Hey shit-for-brains, if you actually clicked on the damn link you would have seen that I was using a term that the article I was quoting from used to describe the plan, you lazy peice of shit.

fucking morons... sheesh

 

[Lasher]

. Men that are gay, are gay, you dont get "turned" gay by being locked up.

I think the Boy is under the delusion that if two people of the same gender have any form of sexual contact then they're both gay.

How he reconciles that with his proclivity for circle jerks I have no idea, lol.

 

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[Frimost]

My mother wasa nurse in the prisons for years. Men that are gay, are gay, you dont get "turned" gay by being locked up.

Ooooohh, so that’s they way the world works cause your mommy told you so?

Well experts in the field of human behavioral research tell us otherwise. But no, they must be wrong, I am sure all the Phd doctors know less about human behavior and research then your mommy.

 

[HeavyStick]

Ooooohh, so that’s they way the world works cause your mommy told you so?

Well experts in the field of human behavioral research tell us otherwise. But no, they must be wrong, I am sure all the Phd doctors know less about human behavior and research then your mommy.

You bring up alot of mommy issues.

Did she put you in a burlap sack with a possum and beat you with a bamboo reed?

Hug your parents, have a beer with your dad. Help your mom in the kitchen. You need bonding and reaffirmation you're a good son. Then you can go clean your bedroom in the basement.

 

[Freya]

Frimost - homosexuality is a lifestyle and life choice, not a temporary thing, or a term used to describe how people get sexual release. So while prisoners might effect homosexual type behaviour in prison - they are not homosexuals per se. I think that's what EE was trying to say.