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Rightguide said:
It's unfortunate for many, especially the innocent, but overkill is deterrence and a fact of life. It's what every military in history has tried to achieve. The word decimate is derived from the practice of exacting a high body count compared to one's own to deter an enemy's will to fight. The estimates for those killed in WWI are about 16 million. The US alone in that war lost 110,000 dead in 110 days of fighting. We killed millions upon millions in WWII. In the Vietnam War 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters were killed and some 200,000 to 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers were killed. So, what exactly is an unsanctionable overkill?
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So is Israel's objective to overkill for deterence? I must've missed that statement
 
TEL AVIV, Israel — Israel’s prime minister faced growing pressure Saturday after U.S. President Joe Biden announced a proposed agreement to end the fighting in Gaza, with many Israelis urging Benjamin Netanyahu to embrace the deal but far-right allies threatening to collapse his government if he does.
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A huge demonstration in Israel on Saturday night, led by families of hostages held by Hamas, urged the government to act now. Mediators the U.S., Egypt and Qatar pressed Israel and Hamas, saying the proposed deal “offers a road map for a permanent cease-fire and ending the crisis” and gives immediate relief to both hostages and Gaza residents.
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But far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir said they would break up the government if it takes the deal. That could expose Netanyahu to new elections, scrutiny over security failures that led to the war and — if he loses the prime minister post — prosecution on longstanding corruption charges.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=d314a34f88cf47fdd196c427a98076e4&ei=19

hmmn
 
RobDownSouth said:
As the Israeli genocide campaign enters it's seventh month, it's becoming clear that Netanyahu has lost his grip on the government. The only reason he remains in power is because of two ultra-right factions led by Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

Ben-Gvir was formerly designated as a "terrorist party leader" as a Kahanite party member ("Arabs have no rights. period") and Smotrich is an illegal squatter who has commandeered a large palatial Palestinian estate outside of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Israel has no honor.
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I called it almost one month ago.

The two fringe-right ministers, Smotrich and Gvir, announced they will give Netanyahu a vote of no confidence if Netanyahu accepts ANY permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

This would result in a new election for Prime Minister and likely end Netanyahu's political career.
 
NY Times: Israel’s propaganda operation treats the U.S. like a foe, not a friend.
Israel has spent two million US dollars attempting to influence the 2024 Presidential election by unleashing a ChatGPT botnet swarm targeting Democrats, particularly black Democrats such as House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Rep. Ritchie Torres, D-N.Y., and Sen. Raphael Warnock, D-Ga.
it turns out that Israel is not just acting like a prickly and belligerent friend, but like an outright foe, surreptitiously undermining American democracy to advance its own interests. Generating a bot army to support Israel and criticize its opponents suggests a lack of faith that most Americans’ long-standing sympathy for Israel will endure throughout a military operation that has indiscriminately killed civilians en masse. Instead of changing in response to increasing horror in American public opinion, Israel has deployed a dishonorable strategy for altering our ability to understand what the American public’s opinion is.

The severity of Israel’s actions are compounded by the reality of the upcoming election. Because support for Israel has become a wedge issue in the Democratic Party, Israel is interfering in the 2024 elections by attempting to stoke polarization around the issue. This is precisely the kind of thing that the U.S. sanctions Moscow over.
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Meta Facebook began removing thousands of Israeli bot accounts after the Times report was published. Obviously, both the NY Times and Facebook are "antisemitic", nu?

Israel has belligerently said they are above international law and treaties, and they will "go it alone" if needed.
It is time to call their bluff.

It is time to cut off all military and civilian aid to Israel. Let them see firsthand the consequences of "going it alone".
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
The IDF rescued four hostages!

They’re in the hospital now.

After so many months of captivity I’d given them all up for dead!
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Sadly, Arnon Zamora who was part of the rescue team has died from his wounds. He was 36 years old and leaves behind a wife and two children.

A true hero. May his memory be a blessing.
 
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Well done!

Israel Rescues Four Hostages Held in Gaza

TEL AVIV—Israel’s military said it rescued four hostages held in the central Gaza Strip on Saturday morning, in a complex daytime operation that jolted cease-fire talks, reshaped Israeli politics and resulted in scores of Palestinian casualties.

“We have the diamonds in our hands,” the Israeli teams reported as they secured the four, using Israel’s code word for hostages.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...pajs6xp38b08idh&reflink=article_copyURL_share
 
Why are Israeli POLICE conducting hostage retrieval raids in hostile territory?
Shouldn't that be the IDF's job, or are they tasked solely with genocide at this point?
What a fucked up country.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Why are Israeli POLICE conducting hostage retrieval raids in hostile territory?
Shouldn't that be the IDF's job, or are they tasked solely with genocide at this point?
What a fucked up country.
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It was a substantial win for the Israelis.

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The Hamas animals could have CHOSEN to accept earlier ceasefire offers and achieved the FORCIBLE release of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for those hostages, while also achieving a FORCED pause in the injuries and insults they brought on their people with their October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation.

The Hamas animals CHOSE poorly.

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Hamas should surrender and hand over all hostages. They won't, but they should put Palestinians ahead of their interests.
 
censurat said:
they were held in homes of "civilians"
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People who participate in terrorism aren't civilians
Adding - Palestinians have been moved around more than cattle by the IDF. I am skeptical that the "civilians" were the owners of the home.
Hope this helps 👍
 
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