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[ll74]

yes

that link is biased, as is the UN

So the report is wrong?

 

[Rightguide]

You can’t be this thick. Not a single one of the times of Israel photographs shows any weaponry in the hands of the Gazans on those trucks. If they had weaponry, do you not think the IDF - who are nearby observing the convoy - would have been firing at them (Which, low and behold - they did, albeit minus the weaponry on the Gazans).

This is second rate far right propaganda that isn’t even good.

Absolutely pathetic.

Did you watch the link attached video? It is clear the men on the top of trucks are carrying weapons that look like clubs. Probably to beat back the crowds. So, they are armed in this video and their may be other videos. This video shows a man with an AK47 taking control of a vehicle carrying supplies and the driver beating beaten: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bydb7zgit

 

[vietato]

virtually all pics of him and other leaders outdoors are with kids

why


https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/q_auto/c_fill,g_faces:center,h_537,w_822/567052

They know that an Israeli drone wont take them out. They know the humanity of Israel that others pretend not to.

 

[ll74]

when Israel starts going after them and they die you will all scream GENOCIDE

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765091637317796017

Hezbollah has been hitting Israel with rockets all along, before and after October 7. Them doing so now doesn't mean they are any closer to a larger offensive.

Not saying their attacks are right, just saying it's not moving things any closer to something more as has been said since day 1

 

[vietato]

Hezbollah has been hitting Israel with rockets all along, before and after October 7. Them doing so now doesn't mean they are any closer to a larger offensive.

Not saying their attacks are right, just saying it's not moving things any closer to something more as has been said since day 1

when Israel starts going after them and they die you will all scream GENOCIDE

 

[ll74]

when Israel starts going after them and they die you will all scream GENOCIDE

Ive never screamed genocide. But I guess when you don't consider a group of people humans, what good is logic?

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

when Israel starts going after them and they die you will all scream GENOCIDE

It already hits four out of five points under the genocide convention, you only need one for it to be classified as a genocide.

It’s been a genocide since late October when Israel shut off running water, electricity, fuel and communications to the Gaza Strip, and then bomb hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, doctors surgeries, restaurants, fishing boats, the list goes on and on and on.

Never mind the huge amount of evidence on social media showing Israeli soldiers physically abusing Palestinians, or shooting them dead while they’re holding white flags (or the hostages, for that matter), and never mind the fact they’ve blocked virtually all aid into Gaza, which is against international humanitarian law, never mind the sheer amount of bombing is now equivalent to over two and a half Hiroshimas, never mind the cultural, environmental and humanitarian damage Israel has done, and certainly never mind the fact they have orphaned 17,000 children and killed over 12,000 of them at this point…

The dehumanisation of an entire people and the rhetoric basically calling for genocide by Pro-Israelis must be called out for what it is: fascist, racist and genocidal.

It no longer became a “right of Defense” the moment Israel shut off the water supply to the Gaza Strip. It was obvious from Day 1 of their ground invasion what their aims were, and continue to be.

That America, which has fought fascism in a world war and fought for democracy and freedoms for a century across the globe is unable to grasp that a man holding onto a premiership, utilising emergency powers to physically dispossess an entire people of their land or kill them to grab it, is literally dictionary definition a dictatorship, something they are supposedly against, is incredible.

America is aiding and abetting Netanyahus fascist cause. Only stopping him will make Israel safer. Not bombing the crap out of a people whose only line of defence is a tiny insurgent force who somehow managed to break through a fence on 7 October 2023 to the fourth best equipped military nation in the world.

Absolute madness that in the 21st century we are seeing what is happening in Gaza. Absolute madness.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Long winded BS

Non responsive to my point

You don’t have points, you have hate speech.

 

[Lazaran]

It already hits four out of five points under the genocide convention, you only need one for it to be classified as a genocide.

It’s been a genocide since late October when Israel shut off running water, electricity, fuel and communications to the Gaza Strip, and then bomb hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, doctors surgeries, restaurants, fishing boats, the list goes on and on and on.

Never mind the huge amount of evidence on social media showing Israeli soldiers physically abusing Palestinians, or shooting them dead while they’re holding white flags (or the hostages, for that matter), and never mind the fact they’ve blocked virtually all aid into Gaza, which is against international humanitarian law, never mind the sheer amount of bombing is now equivalent to over two and a half Hiroshimas, never mind the cultural, environmental and humanitarian damage Israel has done, and certainly never mind the fact they have orphaned 17,000 children and killed over 12,000 of them at this point…

The dehumanisation of an entire people and the rhetoric basically calling for genocide by Pro-Israelis must be called out for what it is: fascist, racist and genocidal.

It no longer became a “right of Defense” the moment Israel shut off the water supply to the Gaza Strip. It was obvious from Day 1 of their ground invasion what their aims were, and continue to be.

That America, which has fought fascism in a world war and fought for democracy and freedoms for a century across the globe is unable to grasp that a man holding onto a premiership, utilising emergency powers to physically dispossess an entire people of their land or kill them to grab it, is literally dictionary definition a dictatorship, something they are supposedly against, is incredible.

America is aiding and abetting Netanyahus fascist cause. Only stopping him will make Israel safer. Not bombing the crap out of a people whose only line of defence is a tiny insurgent force who somehow managed to break through a fence on 7 October 2023 to the fourth best equipped military nation in the world.

Absolute madness that in the 21st century we are seeing what is happening in Gaza. Absolute madness.

Of the two sides, who should the US side with???

I may not like some of the retaliatory measure that Israel has employed, but the Hamas animals (and the Palestinian "civilians") crossed a bright red line on October 7th (and stepped right up to that bright red line many times before) that has disabused me of any sympathy I may have had for them.

Of course, they don’t care about my sympathies, as they have made it clear that they are trying to stoke a global jihad among Muslims.

Israel is most likely doing the world a favor by demonstrating what will happen to any country / people that attempts a genocidal jihad.

The Houthis are very close to experiencing a similar fate if they continue their terroristic behavior. (imho). And I would be fine with that. - Reap what you sow.

 

[snailspace]

You don’t have points, you have hate speech.

You spew nothing but hate towards Jews

 

[snailspace]

How is this acceptable

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-wa...+attacks+on+Israel&utm_campaign=March+6,+2024

 

[ll74]

Schatz, Van Hollen, Colleagues Press Administration On Concerns With New Arms Sales To Netanyahu Government, Request Assurances Prior To Proceeding

https://twitter.com/x/status/1765033805436391797

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Of the two sides, who should the US side with???

I may not like some of the retaliatory measure that Israel has employed, but the Hamas animals (and the Palestinian "civilians") crossed a bright red line on October 7th (and stepped right up to that bright red line many times before) that has disabused me of any sympathy I may have had for them.

Of course, they don’t care about my sympathies, as they have made it clear that they are trying to stoke a global jihad among Muslims.

Israel is most likely doing the world a favor by demonstrating what will happen to any country / people that attempts a genocidal jihad.

The Houthis are very close to experiencing a similar fate if they continue their terroristic behavior. (imho). And I would be fine with that. - Reap what you sow.

You are literally doing the fascist thing of taking two groups - Hamas and the Palestinians - and dehumanising all of them with the use of the word “animals”.

The (frankly Islamophobic) comments of “starting a global jihad” are based on nothing except your uninformed world view.

What we basically already knew about you is that you’re a racist, Islamophobic, genocidal cretin. No surprises there, you reveal it in every post you make. Congratulations. The mask has slipped. Again.

The rest of the world recognises what Israel is doing, and the USA’s complicity in it will not be forgot, nor that of other countries, (including for shame, my own, the UK).

The Palestinians have had 75 years of oppression and the slowest genocide in history. 7 October 2023 didn’t happen in a vacuum, anyone who says so is basically a liar and doesn’t know the history of the area.

Israel are currently doing far more to damage their reputation and legitimacy than any other group. Mass social media public outrages created by the IDF’s continuous and frankly obscene actions - from stealing women’s underwear, shooting unarmed civilians, burning flags and the rest.

Who are the animals here - it’s not the Palestinians, that is for sure.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The deliveries will still need to be inspected, distributed in a secure manner, and concentrated into the hands of TRULY innocent civilians, or we will simply be facilitating / perpetuating the Hamas animal’s ability to hold out against Israeli efforts to supplant them as the controlling entity among Palestinians.

Did you catch the State of the Union address tonight?

President Joe Biden served notice to the Israeli government that the American military will be constructing their own temporary steel pier off the coast of Gaza to distribute relief supplies to Gaza.

Presumably, this means no more Israeli army "inspections", no more Israeli navy commandos boarding and commandeering relief ships. no more Israeli pilferage, no more Israeli arbitrary standards of what can be allowed in based on phase of the moon.

President Biden basically informed the Israeli army and navy that the United States will be changing the rules on relief supply delivery, and they are more than welcome to fuck around with the United States of America if they disagree and see what it gets them.

 

[Lazaran]

Did you catch the State of the Union address tonight?

President Joe Biden served notice to the Israeli government that the American military will be constructing their own temporary steel pier off the coast of Gaza to distribute relief supplies to Gaza.

Presumably, this means no more Israeli army "inspections", no more Israeli navy commandos boarding and commandeering relief ships. no more Israeli pilferage, no more Israeli arbitrary standards of what can be allowed in based on phase of the moon.

President Biden basically informed the Israeli army and navy that the United States will be changing the rules on relief supply delivery, and they are more than welcome to fuck around with the United States of America if they disagree and see what it gets them.

All I care is that the aid shipments are thoroughly inspected and that the aid gets into the hands of TRULY innocent Palestinian civilians.

I fully support ALL of President Biden’s actions since the Hamas animal’s (and Palestinian "civilians’") October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation. This is no different.



I do believe security is going to be nearly impossible, as some of the Hamas animal’s might attack the aid effort just to give the U.S. a black eye, but that is an unavoidable reality that has to be weighed against the benefits of providing aid. Currently, the risk would appear to be outweighed by the need to provide aid, but that would change if an attack occurred. (The Israeli’s could even launch a false flag attack to deter this latest aid effort.)

The situation is extremely fluid.

Hope for the best.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

All I care is that the aid shipments are thoroughly inspected and that the aid gets into the hands of TRULY innocent Palestinian civilians.

I fully support ALL of President Biden’s actions since the Hamas animal’s (and Palestinian "civilians’") October 7th rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping operation. This is no different.



I do believe security is going to be nearly impossible, as some of the Hamas animal’s might attack the aid effort just to give the U.S. a black eye, but that is an unavoidable reality that has to be weighed against the benefits of providing aid. Currently, the risk would appear to be outweighed by the need to provide aid, but that would change if an attack occurred. (The Israeli’s could even launch a false flag attack to deter this latest aid effort.)

The situation is extremely fluid.

Hope for the best.

Stop being so goddamn racist and dehumanising an entire 2.3 million people.

Hamas certainly bad, but Israel’s behaviours and actions towards the Palestinians over the last 75 years have been beyond appalling, breaking international humanitarian law repeatedly.

If Hamas had acted to the Israelis the way the Israelis have acted towards the Palestinians, the United States would be up in arms and likely invade themselves.

The double standards being applied due to religion and colour of skin are appalling, but unsurprising.

Zionism = Fascism and white supremacism.

 

[vietato]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1766114241910571267

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Stop being so goddamn racist and dehumanising an entire 2.3 million people.

Hamas certainly bad, but Israel’s behaviours and actions towards the Palestinians over the last 75 years have been beyond appalling, breaking international humanitarian law repeatedly.

If Hamas had acted to the Israelis the way the Israelis have acted towards the Palestinians, the United States would be up in arms and likely invade themselves.

The double standards being applied due to religion and colour of skin are appalling, but unsurprising.

Zionism = Fascism and white supremacism.

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have their own homeland. That's why most Jews are Zionists.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have their own homeland. That's why most Jews are Zionists.

At what cost? Genocide?

Despicable.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

At what cost? Genocide?

Despicable.

Most Zionists don’t support genocide. The few who do are wrong to do so.

Hamas was founded with the purpose of eradicating the state of Israel and killing all the Jews. They’ve failed in their attempts so far only because they’re too weak to do more than commit atrocities.

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

Most Zionists don’t support genocide. The few who do are wrong to do so.

Hamas was founded with the purpose of eradicating the state of Israel and killing all the Jews. They’ve failed in their attempts so far only because they’re too weak to do more than commit atrocities.

I don’t hear any condemnation for the IDF’s actions then?

You and others like you have spent the last nearly six months asking everyone and their mother to condemn Hamas for the 1200 killed (some, it turns out, at the hands of the IDF and the Hannibal directive now), but 31,000 Palestinians have died directly as a result of the IDF’s bombing campaign and destruction of civilian infrastructure and continue to die in brutal bombing and starvation tactics - will you condemn the IDF and Israel’s government for their actions?

And if not, why not?

And “The few who do” - are you joking? Every single Israeli politician bar two or three at the minute insisting on cutting water, food, fuel and medical supplies to Gaza.

Protestors in their hundreds blocking aid trucks. Settlers in their thousands committing hundreds of atrocities a week in the occupied West Bank.

From where the rest of the world are sitting, most Israelis appear to be Zionists and racists. This is broadcast around the world on hundreds of news channels, live.

Literally aiding and abetting the destruction of 2.3 million people.

How about you condemn Israel and the IDF’s actions?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I don’t hear any condemnation for the IDF’s actions then?

You and others like you have spent the last nearly six months asking everyone and their mother to condemn Hamas for the 1200 killed (some, it turns out, at the hands of the IDF and the Hannibal directive now), but 31,000 Palestinians have died directly as a result of the IDF’s bombing campaign and destruction of civilian infrastructure and continue to die in brutal bombing and starvation tactics - will you condemn the IDF and Israel’s government for their actions?

And if not, why not?

And “The few who do” - are you joking? Every single Israeli politician bar two or three at the minute insisting on cutting water, food, fuel and medical supplies to Gaza.

Protestors in their hundreds blocking aid trucks. Settlers in their thousands committing hundreds of atrocities a week in the occupied West Bank.

From where the rest of the world are sitting, most Israelis appear to be Zionists and racists. This is broadcast around the world on hundreds of news channels, live.

Literally aiding and abetting the destruction of 2.3 million people.

How about you condemn Israel and the IDF’s actions?

The IDF’s response to October 7th was too extreme. I will condemn that and the actions of the Netanyahu government. I will not condemn Israel for existing.

Most Israelis are Zionists, but a Zionist is not the same as a racist. A Zionist is merely someone who thinks the Jews should have a homeland.

Do you think Jews should have a homeland?

 

[Deleted member 6736302]

The IDF’s response to October 7th was too extreme. I will condemn that and the actions of the Netanyahu government.

Fantastic. Then you should be on the protest marches demanding an end to the ongoing slaughter, like the rest of us.

I will not condemn Israel for existing.

No one here has and very few do so in the real world, accepting that it exists now.

This is a nonsense point to bring up.

Most Israelis are Zionists, but a Zionist is not the same as a racist. A Zionist is merely someone who thinks the Jews should have a homeland.

Being a Zionist IS being racist.

If you believe Israel should exist at the expense of another people, whatever the tactics, you’re a racist.

You don’t care for the people in the way, you want to achieve something that ultimately requires removing someone out of the world.

Zionism is factually racist. It is built on white supremacism and - astonishing this! - has imported much of that thinking from the United States and other European nations - to Israel, with horrendous consequences including what is unquestionably now a racist, apartheid state.

Are you against apartheid? If not, why not?

Do you think Jews should have a homeland?

Jews already had a homeland much like the rest of the planet.

It was called Palestine.

Most Jews recognise this. Jews were already living within the state of Palestine, which was Muslim, Christian and Jewish.

It did not require the destruction of an existing entity through colonialism for Jews to live in their “holy land”. That was already available to them.

Uprooting an existing population that was already Semitic to begin were and were arguably derived from the original Jewish nation was wrong, end of.

Colonial destruction is always wrong, whether it’s Israel to Palestinian, Britain to [insert 2/3rd of the world’s countries here], France to Algeria, Germany to Namibia, etc.

Do you think colonialism is wrong? If so, you’re anti-Zionist.

Dressing up racist ideology and colonial tactics in religion is, and always will be, despicable.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Fantastic. Then you should be on the protest marches demanding an end to the ongoing slaughter, like the rest of us.



No one here has and very few do so in the real world, accepting that it exists now.

This is a nonsense point to bring up.



Being a Zionist IS being racist.

If you believe Israel should exist at the expense of another people, whatever the tactics, you’re a racist.

You don’t care for the people in the way, you want to achieve something that ultimately requires removing someone out of the world.

Zionism is factually racist. It is built on white supremacism and - astonishing this! - has imported much of that thinking from the United States and other European nations - to Israel, with horrendous consequences including what is unquestionably now a racist, apartheid state.

Are you against apartheid? If not, why not?


Jews already had a homeland much like the rest of the planet.

It was called Palestine.

Most Jews recognise this. Jews were already living within the state of Palestine, which was Muslim, Christian and Jewish.

It did not require the destruction of an existing entity through colonialism for Jews to live in their “holy land”. That was already available to them.

Uprooting an existing population that was already Semitic to begin were and were arguably derived from the original Jewish nation was wrong, end of.

Colonial destruction is always wrong, whether it’s Israel to Palestinian, Britain to [insert 2/3rd of the world’s countries here], France to Algeria, Germany to Namibia, etc.

Do you think colonialism is wrong? If so, you’re anti-Zionist.

Dressing up racist ideology and colonial tactics in religion is, and always will be, despicable.

“Palestine” was the name assigned to Judea by the British colonial authorities to erase the fact that the Jews were indigenous. You say colonialism is wrong, but you talk like a colonizer.

Many Palestinians are the descendants of Arabs relocated to the region by the Ottoman Empire to dilute the troublesome indigenous population. That doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to live in peace and safety, but they don’t have a better claim to the land than the Jews do.

Furthermore, Judaism is an ethnicity not a race. Because of the diaspora, Jews come in all colors. Some look European, some look African, some look middle-eastern.

 

[KeithD]

Jews were already living within the state of Palestine, which was Muslim, Christian and Jewish.

It did not require the destruction of an existing entity through colonialism for Jews to live in their “holy land”. That was already available to them.

Uprooting an existing population that was already Semitic to begin were and were arguably derived from the original Jewish nation was wrong, end of.

I currently am reading the private memoir by a local author who is a Palestinian living in the States since her teens. (I was given this book to read more than a year before the 7 October events, so the book isn't any sort of reaction to that.) She's Greek Orthodox and points out that her family has been Greek Orthodox, living in Jerusalem, all the way back to the 4th Century, when Constantine's mother, Helena, brought that religion to Palestine (converting people already there; not bringing in new people). There was a large Greek Orthodox community in Jerusalem for over fifteen centuries. The two generations ahead of hers included doctors, a dentist, a pharmacist, and senior civil servants in government. Now, under Zionist rule, almost all of them have been forcefully dispersed around the world in a dispersion she calls the Nakba. These were people who were in Palestine many centuries before the Zionists decided in 1948 that they would establish an exclusionary country there. These are people who both were in necessary positions in Palestine for many centuries before 1948 while also having large, robust ethnic communities there. These are people who were Christians for many centuries before 1948. These are people who have been forced elsewhere in the world by an exclusionary, invading, European Zionist movement.

Israel's current approach to Gaza--to the greater understanding of Gaza than just the host--not fully willing--of Hamas--continues to be one of exclusion and dispersion somewhere else other than Palestine, their original home. They have taken it to the point of annihilation.

One can agree that the 7 October Hamas attack was horrific and inhuman and that wiping out Hamas is a reasonable response while also believing that the Israeli response to Gaza as a whole has gone way too far and too broad.