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[JohnEngelman]

Well... that's a pretty good summary of the Jewish talking points. Unfortunately it does not hold up to scrutiny or logic.

Nice recitation though.

Anybody else?

To start with, I am not Jewish.

Over the years there have been a few Jewish criminals. In what ways do Jews tend to be worse than other people?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

2) The "Holocaust" just doesn't make sense. The story we're all taught is that Hitler, the personification of evil and insanity was hell bent on wiping out the Jews and managed to get 6,000,000 of them. But does this make sense?

So we can add Holocaust denier to this Racist fucks resume.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So we can add Holocaust denier to this Racist fucks resume.

They always get around to it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

They always get around to it.

Sadly yes.

 

[Dribble]

Targeting one "Hamas terrorist" or saying you were targeting a "Hamas terrorist" is not a license to murder innocent women and children just because they live somewhere you think a "Hamas terrorist " exists. Calling this out is not antisemitic.

How can you tell anyone is guilty? They make excuses...they justify their actions. They punish those that question the behavior. They call you names. No different here.

"Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Goering. From his Nuremberg Trial

 

[JohnEngelman]

I did not say or imply you are Jewish - but I don't blame you for being insulted when you thought I did.

When someone thinks I am Jewish I feel complemented.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What I said is that you are reciting Jewish talking points. Most people in western nations do because of the wildly disproportionate influence Jews hold in our political, legal, educational, financial, media, and entertainment systems. Yes, they're the most abused and mistreated people on earth and they use their disproportionate wealth, influence, and power to make sure you never forget it.

"Jewish Genius," By Charles Murray, Commentary, April 2, 2007​

Since its first issue in 1945, COMMENTARY has published hundreds of articles about Jews and Judaism. As one would expect, they cover just about every important aspect of the topic. But there is a lacuna, and not one involving some obscure bit of Judaica. COMMENTARY has never published a systematic discussion of one of the most obvious topics of all: the extravagant overrepresentation of Jews, relative to their numbers, in the top ranks of the arts, sciences, law, medicine, finance, entrepreneurship, and the media.

I have personal experience with the reluctance of Jews to talk about Jewish accomplishment–my co-author, the late Richard Herrnstein, gently resisted the paragraphs on Jewish IQ that I insisted on putting in The Bell Curve (1994).

https://www.aei.org/articles/jewish-genius/

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Jews are humble about their superiority. If I was Jewish I would not draw attention to it.

 

[ll74]

When someone thinks I am Jewish I feel complemented.

How do you feel when they think you're black?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Another way of looking at it is seeing what they actually do and promote - in our countries. When most citizens look at whatever they think is wrong with western nations, things like: corrupt politics, corrupt legal system, public education, corrupt banks/corporations, corrupt media, sleazy entertainment, uncontrolled immigration, and racial disharmony, will make the lists.

Jews are only 2% of the US population and yet when you look under a slimy rock - ANY slimy rock - there they will be, wielding influence far beyond their numbers.

Now where have I read that attitude before?

Oh yes. It was in Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter II, "Years of Study and Suffering:"

"Was there any form of filth or profigacy, above in the cultural, life in which at least one Jew did not participate?

"When carefully cutting open such a growth, one could find a little Jew, blinded by the sudden light, like a maggot in a rotting corpse."

 

[JohnEngelman]

1) People do not get kicked out of societies for working hard, being moral, and playing by the rules. And it certainly doesn't happen many times, in many different cultures, across much of the earth, over thousands of years. The Jew will always tell you what was done to him but he never tells you why.

Anti Jewish persecution was originally motivated by religious bigotry. Now it is motivated by resentment over the fact that Jews tend to be intelligent, successful and prosperous.

In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote that he was initially sympathetic toward Jews. He did not begin to hate them until he failed in his efforts to become an architect and an artist.

 

[ll74]

I did not say or imply you are Jewish - but I don't blame you for being insulted when you thought I did.

What I said is that you are reciting Jewish talking points. Most people in western nations do because of the wildly disproportionate influence Jews hold in our political, legal, educational, financial, media, and entertainment systems. Yes, they're the most abused and mistreated people on earth and they use their disproportionate wealth, influence, and power to make sure you never forget it.

Another way of looking at it is seeing what they actually do and promote - in our countries. When most citizens look at whatever they think is wrong with western nations, things like: corrupt politics, corrupt legal system, public education, corrupt banks/corporations, corrupt media, sleazy entertainment, uncontrolled immigration, and racial disharmony, will make the lists.

Jews are only 2% of the US population and yet when you look under a slimy rock - ANY slimy rock - there they will be, wielding influence far beyond their numbers. As the Bible says, "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

It is well known that Jews have the highest level of "in group preference" of any demographic, yet they push hard to make sure whites cannot do the same thing in their own countries.

As for logic, I'll give you two examples of why the Jewish talking points simply don't make sense:

1) People do not get kicked out of societies for working hard, being moral, and playing by the rules. And it certainly doesn't happen many times, in many different cultures, across much of the earth, over thousands of years. The Jew will always tell you what was done to him but he never tells you why.

2) The "Holocaust" just doesn't make sense. The story we're all taught is that Hitler, the personification of evil and insanity was hell bent on wiping out the Jews and managed to get 6,000,000 of them. But does this make sense?

How does this square with the "Haavara Agreement"?

How can it be that Germans, renowned for their efficiency, were unable to kill all the Jews in Germany? They rounded them up, put them in camps, and somehow... in spite of the most efficient people in the world wanting them dead... many survived?

Just for fun do some studying on the numbers at Aushwitz. For many years the number killed at Auschwitz was 4 million because the winning side's propaganda usually becomes "history." But reevaluation done in the 1990s concluded that a number that can actually be supported by facts is about 1.5 million. (Before anyone whines about sources, try the Auschwitz website. It's all there.) At least one other camp has been similarly revised. Look up the Auschwitz documentary by David Cole. It has mostly been removed, but I found it in a few minutes.

Essentially their "you must love us or you're evil" position is built on lies, exaggeration, and endless PR and once you see what they actually do... you are left with only three options. You're either a Jew, an "anti-Semite," or a useful idiot.

You, just as BB, hold no moral high ground. In fact, this entire comment above here destroys any credibility you might have had on the topic.

Holocaust denier and downright antisemitic horseshit brain. Fuck off.

 

[JohnEngelman]

2) The "Holocaust" just doesn't make sense. The story we're all taught is that Hitler, the personification of evil and insanity was hell bent on wiping out the Jews and managed to get 6,000,000 of them. But does this make sense?

If the Holocaust did not happen it needs to be true that every survivor of a Nazi concentration camp, and every soldier who liberated a Nazi concentration camp, conspired to lie about what was happening in the camps.

I once had a Jewish dentist who told me that he was a survivor of a Nazi concentration camp where his friends and relatives were killed. I do not think he was making it up.

 

[SmokingFap]

I did not say or imply you are Jewish - but I don't blame you for being insulted when you thought I did.

What I said is that you are reciting Jewish talking points. Most people in western nations do because of the wildly disproportionate influence Jews hold in our political, legal, educational, financial, media, and entertainment systems. Yes, they're the most abused and mistreated people on earth and they use their disproportionate wealth, influence, and power to make sure you never forget it.

Another way of looking at it is seeing what they actually do and promote - in our countries. When most citizens look at whatever they think is wrong with western nations, things like: corrupt politics, corrupt legal system, public education, corrupt banks/corporations, corrupt media, sleazy entertainment, uncontrolled immigration, and racial disharmony, will make the lists.

Jews are only 2% of the US population and yet when you look under a slimy rock - ANY slimy rock - there they will be, wielding influence far beyond their numbers. As the Bible says, "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

It is well known that Jews have the highest level of "in group preference" of any demographic, yet they push hard to make sure whites cannot do the same thing in their own countries.

As for logic, I'll give you two examples of why the Jewish talking points simply don't make sense:

1) People do not get kicked out of societies for working hard, being moral, and playing by the rules. And it certainly doesn't happen many times, in many different cultures, across much of the earth, over thousands of years. The Jew will always tell you what was done to him but he never tells you why.

2) The "Holocaust" just doesn't make sense. The story we're all taught is that Hitler, the personification of evil and insanity was hell bent on wiping out the Jews and managed to get 6,000,000 of them. But does this make sense?

How does this square with the "Haavara Agreement"?

How can it be that Germans, renowned for their efficiency, were unable to kill all the Jews in Germany? They rounded them up, put them in camps, and somehow... in spite of the most efficient people in the world wanting them dead... many survived?

Just for fun do some studying on the numbers at Aushwitz. For many years the number killed at Auschwitz was 4 million because the winning side's propaganda usually becomes "history." But reevaluation done in the 1990s concluded that a number that can actually be supported by facts is about 1.5 million. (Before anyone whines about sources, try the Auschwitz website. It's all there.) At least one other camp has been similarly revised. Look up the Auschwitz documentary by David Cole. It has mostly been removed, but I found it in a few minutes.

Essentially their "you must love us or you're evil" position is built on lies, exaggeration, and endless PR and once you see what they actually do... you are left with only three options. You're either a Jew, an "anti-Semite," or a useful idiot.

You are a truly loathsome waste of oxygen. The world would be much better off without you in it.

 

[Lazaran]

Targeting one "Hamas terrorist" or saying you were targeting a "Hamas terrorist" is not a license to murder innocent women and children just because they live somewhere you think a "Hamas terrorist " exists. Calling this out is not antisemitic.

How can you tell anyone is guilty? They make excuses...they justify their actions. They punish those that question the behavior. They call you names. No different here.

"Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

Goering. From his Nuremberg Trial

Yeah, no one had to "tell them" (the Israelis) they were being attacked on October 7th.



The real manipulation was Hamas provoking the totally justified massive military response from Israel in the hopes of triggering a wider conflict.

That ^ was likely encouraged and facilitated by Russia, Iran, and other bad actors.

It’s quite likely that Hamas is now negotiating the hostages release because that wider conflict hasn’t materialized - probably due to the threat of annihilation from the U.S.



The focus now has to shift back to Ukraine, Taiwan, etc, which were "conveniently" neglected due to the Hamas attack.

The Russians, Iranians, Chinese, and North Koreans are definitely disappointed that America, under President Biden’s leadership, was able to manage the crisis - all without losing sight of Ukraine, Taiwan, etc..

Tragically, "republicans" in the House of Representatives are trying their damnedest to give Putin and Russia a win in Ukraine due to the Hamas attack - and they most certainly would cede Taiwan and the U.S. presence in the Indo-Pacific if push came to shove.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[JohnEngelman]

How do you feel when they think you're black?

When I attended a segregated elementary school in the South during the 1950's I said that I wanted the school to be integrated. Some people called me a "[derogatory n word ending with r] lover."

That was the closest I have come to being thought of as black.

 

[ll74]

When I attended a segregated elementary school in the South during the 1950's I said that I wanted the school to be integrated. Some people called me a "[derogatory n word ending with r] lover."

That was the closest I have come to being thought of as black.

And how did that make you feel?

 

[JohnEngelman]

You display the modern tendency to discredit the source rather than considering a possibility you’re uncomfortable with.

An idea, regardless of the source, either makes sense or it doesn’t. It is either true or it isn’t.

Do you think every word uttered by every person you consider a bad guy is false? How silly you are.

No certainly not. Adolf Hitler had good insight into political propaganda, and social psychology in general.

He was mistaken about Jews dominating the sex industry. I have encountered that assertion on anti Jewish websites. I point out that during the twentieth century the most prominent pornographers were Hugh Hefner of Playboy, Larry Flynt of Hustler, and Bob Guccione of Penthouse, and that these were Gentiles.

 

[JohnEngelman]

You are a fool to value people who hate you… over your own. It doesn’t make you special or unusual given the endless propaganda campaign, but it marks you as someone who does not think for himself.

I have never encountered a Jew who hated me. Some liked me quite a lot.

 

[JohnEngelman]

And how did that make you feel?

It made me feel good.

Once I belonged to a Boy Scout troop that harassed some black children. I quit that troop, and joined the Boy Scout troop at my church.

 

[ll74]

I’m going to let you continue without me if you wish.

I’ve given you enough to think about and since I know you can’t, it would be silly to contribute more.

Oh look, another round of hit and run. Shocker.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I’m going to let you continue without me if you wish.

I’ve given you enough to think about and since I know you can’t, it would be silly to contribute more.

 

[butters]

so the hostage transfers are starting to take place; aid trucks beginning to roll in

a couple of facts not to lose sight of in all of this:

• not all of the hostages taken from Israel are counted in this 4-day deal—only 50—though an extra day 'pause' per additional 10 hostages produced by hamas is part of the deal.
• Israel currently plans on releasing 150 Palestinian hostages for these 50; they hold approximately 8,000, of which 3,000 are being held without charges. Many of the Palestinian hostages are kids or youngsters taken for throwing stones at Israeli troops.

 

[ll74]

so the hostage transfers are starting to take place; aid trucks beginning to roll in

a couple of facts not to lose sight of in all of this:

• not all of the hostages taken from Israel are counted in this 4-day deal—only 50—though an extra day 'pause' per additional 10 hostages produced by hamas is part of the deal.
• Israel currently plans on releasing 150 Palestinian hostages for these 50; they hold approximately 8,000, of which 3,000 are being held without charges. Many of the Palestinian hostages are kids or youngsters taken for throwing stones at Israeli troops.

Thanks for the info (link if you have it to add)

I've also heard that any prisoner that had participated in the initial attack was not eligible for release

 

[butters]

listening to what might happen next, should these releases go without problems, it would seem violence is likely to resume with the intent of pushing hamas out of gaza/destroying its operating abilities and power-hold; during that time, there might be further brokered hostage deals until this aim is achieved, with hamas giving up a small number at a time as it moves out of the area. If it gave up all the hostages it has nothing to broker a cessation in which to be able to move out safely.

 

[butters]

Thanks for the info (link if you have it to add)

I've also heard that any prisoner that had participated in the initial attack was not eligible for release

https://6abc.com/how-many-palestini...-hostages-released-israel-palestine/14099619/

An uptick in arrests​

Around 8,300 Palestinian prisoners are currently held in Israeli jails, said Qadura Fares, head of the Palestinian Commission for Detainees and Ex-Prisoners' Affairs.

More than 3,000 of them are being held in what Israel calls "administrative detention," Fares told CNN, adding that this means they are being held without knowing the charges against them, and without an ongoing legal process.

Most of the prisoners are men, Fares said, adding that there are also about 85 women and 350 children in detention.

Israel has stepped up its arrests since Hamas' attacks on October 7. Up to 2,070 arrests were documented in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem in that month alone, according to the Palestinian Prisoner's Society, a non-governmental organization dedicated to addressing the concerns of Palestinian detainees in Israeli prisons. That figure includes 145 children and 55 women.