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[RandyRebecca]

Hamas has repeated their desire to destroy Israel.

I don't support destruction of anyone but the leadership of Hamas.

Your.comparison shows you support Hamas.

You don't want peace, you want Israel to be destroyed and you hide behind Zionism as your reasoning. Honesty isn't your strong suit.

What's your opinion of Netanyahu supporting Hamas as a counterweight to Fatah? Hamas being into Islamic fundamentalism, while Fatah was somewhat more secular.

 

[ll74]

What's your opinion of Netanyahu supporting Hamas as a counterweight to Fatah? Hamas being into Islamic fundamentalism, while Fatah was somewhat more secular.

I've already explained my opposition to Netenyahu and current Israeli leadership. The only way forward is a complete change of leadership by both parties of this conflict and serious and significant compromises by both as well

 

[RandyRebecca]

I've already explained my opposition to Netenyahu and current Israeli leadership. The only way forward is a complete change of leadership by both parties of this conflict and serious and significant compromises by both as well

So continued occupation of Palestinian lands, then?

You can't have a situation of monstrous oppressor and the exploited, and then say that both sides must make compromises. If Israel has any moral claim to continue to exist, they must immediately go back to 1967 borders and stay there at the very least.

 

[JohnEngelman]

So continued occupation of Palestinian lands, then?

You can't have a situation of monstrous oppressor and the exploited, and then say that both sides must make compromises. If Israel has any moral claim to continue to exist, they must immediately go back to 1967 borders and stay there at the very least.

If Israel had lost the Six Day War on 1967 Israel would have been destroyed. The Jews who could not get into the middle of the Mediterranean Sea quickly enough would have been annihilated. Why should Israel return to 1967 borders as though nothing had happened?

Golda Meir once said, "The Arabs are funny people. They lose wars and expect to benefit from it."

 

[JohnEngelman]

Hamas has repeated their desire to destroy Israel.

I don't support destruction of anyone but the leadership of Hamas.

Your.comparison shows you support Hamas.

You don't want peace, you want Israel to be destroyed and you hide behind Zionism as your reasoning. Honesty isn't your strong suit.

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[ll74]

So continued occupation of Palestinian lands, then?

You are incredibly small minded.

You can't have a situation of monstrous oppressor and the exploited, and then say that both sides must make compromises. If Israel has any moral claim to continue to exist, they must immediately go back to 1967 borders and stay there at the very least.

As I said.....you only see one side and cannot understand that both parties must find a way to exist together.

You don't want peace. You want complete capitulation and surrender from Israel and that is not a solution, that is a fantasy world.

Fantasy isn't peace...it's delusion.

 

[ll74]

Meanwhile....at the BRICS summit:

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Xi Jinping calls for Gaza ceasefire, says two-state solution only option for lasting regional peace​

I actually agree with part of that, but I'm sure there's details in there left out

 

[ll74]

Interesting take. I'd say that any Palestinian support is being conflated by the right to mean support for Hamas.

GOP and Dems Unite to Smear Gaza Ceasefire Supporters as “Pro-Hamas”​

 

[RobDownSouth]

Interesting take. I'd say that any Palestinian support is being conflated by the right to mean support for Hamas.

GOP and Dems Unite to Smear Gaza Ceasefire Supporters as “Pro-Hamas”​

Fox News got caught doing that twice this past week. They headline articles with "HAMAS!" but in the actual text of the article quote people as "supporting Palestinian civilians".

But as the noted board philosopher RightGuide is fond of saying "Palestinian = Hamas = iSIS = Muslim = Terrorist!"

 

[jomar]

Melissa Barrera from the Scream franchise has been fired for her pro-Palestine posts. Susan Sarandon was let go from her talent agency for her posts. We have forgotten what free speech means in this country.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean there are no consequences for expressing one’s opinion. Companies have a right to distance themselves from what they view as controversial and potentially damaging (to the bottom line) views. And for all we know maybe their statements were simply a reason to finally let them go, good riddance.

I don’t agree with them, but supporting the people of Palestine doesn’t mean they support the terrorists.

That is true.

There is a difference. This war isn’t bringing out the worst in people, it’s showing how ugly people really are inside.

Hmm, I wonder why this feels familiar…

 

[ll74]

Fox News got caught doing that twice this past week. They headline articles with "HAMAS!" but in the actual text of the article quote people as "supporting Palestinian civilians".

But as the noted board philosopher RightGuide is fond of saying "Palestinian = Hamas = iSIS = Muslim = Terrorist!"

They have an easy time conflating them all, but refuse to just admit their openly racist opinions of the people they hate.

 

[cermin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727202862202343667

 

[cermin]

https://x.com/thesonofbran/status/1727203448800850166?s=20

 

[ll74]

https://x.com/thesonofbran/status/1727203448800850166?s=20

Yes, this is relevant to the war.

 

[ll74]

As has been mentioned here before, crypto has been used to find terrorist groups. Here is Jason Cal. with an interesting take.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1727126082862866847

 

[ll74]

Let's see where this goes. That's.truly not enough from Hamas imo

Israel agrees to hostage deal with Hamas​

Israel’s cabinet has approved a deal for the release of hostages seized by Hamas in exchange for a pause in fighting in Gaza. The truce is slated to begin on Thursday morning, an Israeli official told CNN.

The agreement would see the release of at least 50 hostages – women and children – in exchange for a four-day truce in Israel’s air and ground campaign, according to a government statement. And it held out the potential for an extension, saying that an extra day would be added for each additional 10 hostages available for release.

150 Palestinian prisoners will be released from Israeli jails as part of the agreement, Hamas said in a statement. Israel has also released a list of 300 Palestinian prisoners who could ultimately be part of a wider agreement to release hostages held in Gaza

 

[Rightguide]

I think you know as well as the IDF does that whilst it’s within the Israelis power to inflict an enormous military defeat on Hamas it‘s not possible to defeat the ideology using the same means.

Worse, the ideology thrives on the defeat that feeds it hundreds of new orphans to recruit from and a whole new chapter of victimhood and suffering to recite.

I assume you wouldn’t go down the medieval route and put all the males to the sword, but then you say it’s a fight to the death - so how far are you going with that ?

I'm not a Jew or an Arab, nor do I live in Israel. I'm not facing terrorism on a daily basis, so it isn't up to me. They will decide when it is safe enough to presume they can live in peace. Here is a powerful speech at the UN by a Muslim, the son of one of the founders of Hamas. I think you'll be surprised. Americans need to hear it:

 

[ll74]

I'm not a Jew or an Arab, nor do I live in Israel. I'm not facing terrorism on a daily basis, so it isn't up to me. They will decide when it is safe enough to presume they can live in peace. Here is a powerful speech at the UN by a Muslim, the son of one of the founders of Hamas. I think you'll be surprised. Americans need to hear it:

So Hamas indoctrinates kids. Shocker.

Since you can't differentiate between a Hamas soldier, a Palestinian citizen or a Muslim practitioner, his statement means something different to you.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm not a Jew or an Arab, nor do I live in Israel. I'm not facing terrorism on a daily basis, so it isn't up to me. They will decide when it is safe enough to presume they can live in peace. Here is a powerful speech at the UN by a Muslim, the son of one of the founders of Hamas. I think you'll be surprised. Americans need to hear it:

Did MAGA RussiaGuide listen to the whole speech???

I especially liked the part where the totally legitimate and authoritative individual speaking in the video highlighted how the only environment HAMAS can thrive in is a CHAOS environment - JUST. LIKE. MAGA.

HAMAS = MAGA

I also liked the part where that impressive individual made the connection between the HAMAS October 7th attack and RUSSIA. I had made the connection quite awhile ago, but it was nice to see someone else highlight it.

HAMAS = RUSSIA

MAGA RussiaGuide is a fucking disgrace and a joke.

That ^ doesn’t detract from the primary message being conveyed in the video.: HAMAS needs to be eradicated in Gaza.

Tangentially, Russia needs to be defeated in Ukraine; it’s all connected.

The free world cannot let the terrorists and the authoritarian tyrants win.

 

[Rightguide]

So Hamas indoctrinates kids. Shocker.

Since you can't differentiate between a Hamas soldier, a Palestinian citizen or a Muslim practitioner, his statement means something different to you.

The majority of the population in Gaza supports Hamas and what Hamas did on Oct.7. Hamas is not a lawful army under the rules of war nor do they adhere to the strictures of the laws of war. The majority of the males in Gaza are armed terrorists and suffering refugees when it benefits them to be such.

They arm those kids as well as is pointed out in the video.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The majority of the population in Gaza supports Hamas and what Hamas did on Oct.7

Got any proof of this? Besides your own bias?

 

[ll74]

The majority of the population in Gaza supports Hamas and what Hamas did on Oct.7.

They do now. They did not before Israel started carpet bombing.

Hamas is not a lawful army under the rules of war nor do they adhere to the strictures of the laws of war. The majority of the males in Gaza are armed terrorists and suffering refugees when it benefits them to be such.

Either Israel complies or it doesn't. What Hamas does isn't relevant to that.

They arm those kids as well as is pointed out in the video.

Hamas does. Yes.

 

[ll74]

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Israel-go-back-to-its-pre-1967-lines

This is a good reply regarding "1967 borders" and one which explains why Israel needs demands to be met before that's an option.

For those who believe Israel was the only reason 1967 borders aren't the thing anymore, as Ive said before....you're ignoring half of history

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Israel-go-back-to-its-pre-1967-lines

 

[RandyRebecca]

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Israel-go-back-to-its-pre-1967-lines

This is a good reply regarding "1967 borders" and one which explains why Israel needs demands to be met before that's an option.

For those who believe Israel was the only reason 1967 borders aren't the thing anymore, as Ive said before....you're ignoring half of history

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Israel-go-back-to-its-pre-1967-lines

Would you have accepted demands from the Confederacy?

Israel is the imperialist oppressor here, seeking to prevent a Palestinian state at all costs, and is currently engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide with the support of a US Democratic administration. And all the Democrats can say is "Trump would be worse", which is debatable.

 

[ll74]

Would you have accepted demands from the Confederacy?

Dumb and false comparison.