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[BrightShinyGirl]

This thread will be updates related to the war between Hamas and Israel. The other thread on the topic was focused on Biden's foreign policies. This is related to political and military happenings by those involved as well as reaction from the International community.

Starting off, the immediate actions of Israel against Hamas. (I support the destruction of Hamas)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1710949527652298769

The body of the final hostage from October 7th, 2023 has been recovered.

Ran Gvili is coming home!

 

[Noor]

The body of the final hostage from October 7th, 2023 has been recovered.

Ran Gvili is coming home!

Next Israel will disarm Hamas , per Netanyahu tonight. Phase 2

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

New evidence for what we always suspected:

The campus protests against Israel were astroturfed.

 

[Wilson23]

New evidence for what we always suspected:

The campus protests against Israel were astroturfed.

Not a patch on what AIPAC does, I'm sure.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Not a patch on what AIPAC does, I'm sure.

Nope, she's an eternal victim.

 

[Lazaran]

New evidence for what we always suspected:

The campus protests against Israel were astroturfed.

There was clearly an IMMEDIATE post 10/7 effort to shape the narrative by the pro-"Palestine" crowd and to foment a global Jihad / globalize the intifada.

It did NOT work.

“Can’t blame a terrorist for trying”???



Meanwhile:

Unless it can be shown that WESPAC provided funding AND organized the student protests, then there isn’t much of a “there” there.

Are there WESPAC e-mails (etc) directing student actions???

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Doctors Without Borders finally admits that Hamas has been using hospitals in Gaza as military bases.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Debunking the genocide accusation.

It’s a long video, but the libel is so pervasive, and has been spread by so many organizations and individuals, that it takes a lot of words to thoroughly rebut it.

 

[Lazaran]

Debunking the genocide accusation.

It’s a long video, but the libel is so pervasive, and has been spread by so many organizations and individuals, that it takes a lot of words to thoroughly rebut it.

Excellent.

A must watch.

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

This thread will be updates related to the war between Hamas and Israel. The other thread on the topic was focused on Biden's foreign policies. This is related to political and military happenings by those involved as well as reaction from the International community.

Starting off, the immediate actions of Israel against Hamas. (I support the destruction of Hamas)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1710949527652298769

New details about the sexual violence of October 7th. Rapes, mutilated genitals, public humiliation.

 

[rgraham666]

Why are we discussing this? There will never be peace in the Middle East.

Too many people on all sides do not want peace. They want victory. Which is something else altogether.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Why are we discussing this? There will never be peace in the Middle East.

Too many people on all sides do not want peace. They want victory. Which is something else altogether.

Too many people want the Jews to be eradicated from their homeland. The Jews, understandably, fight back. It’s not a “both sides” issue.

“Neutrality helps the oppressor.”

—Elie Wiesel

 

[Bray123]

Trouble is, the Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years and don't regard a UN resolution as creating a valid Jewish homeland. They certainly don't see why they should be evicted from their homes so that people of European origin can live there instead.

If Guatemalans turned up in Texas and said they needed to live in 'that house right there', they may not be welcomed either.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Trouble is, the Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years and don't regard a UN resolution as creating a valid Jewish homeland. They certainly don't see why they should be evicted from their homes so that people of European origin can live there instead.

If Guatemalans turned up in Texas and said they needed to live in 'that house right there', they may not be welcomed either.

Most Palestinians are Arabs or Egyptians whose ancestors arrived in Israel in the 20th Century. The historical and archeological evidence shows the Jews have lived continuously in the land for millennia.

 

[rgraham666]

Too many people want the Jews to be eradicated from their homeland. The Jews, understandably, fight back. It’s not a “both sides” issue.

“Neutrality helps the oppressor.”

—Elie Wiesel

Thanks for demonstrating my point.

 

[Bray123]

Most Palestinians are Arabs or Egyptians whose ancestors arrived in Israel in the 20th Century. The historical and archeological evidence shows the Jews have lived continuously in the land for millennia.

Unlike the Jews who left Egypt and genocided the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites.

According to Deuteronomy and Exodus, if you can believe that stuff.

 

[TastySuckToy]

One question that never seems to get coherently answered: what is the criteria for determining when a group of people owns land that was previously owned, or at least lived on, by other groups?

Is there a specific time limit you can go into the past to find the 'original owners', and is there a descendant limit into the future that can assume old claims?

Because based upon what I've seen throughout all human history and examples, the criteria is purely arbitrary and justified by nothing other than subjective viewpoints.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Unlike the Jews who left Egypt and genocided the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites.

According to Deuteronomy and Exodus, if you can believe that stuff.

The Bible is mostly myth. Most of it was composed by the Jews after Cyrus the Great restored Jerusalem to them after they were held in bondage in Babylon for several decades. The written Torah was based on earlier Jewish stories going back hundreds or thousands of years, but it’s unclear how much actually happened. For example, there’s no archeological evidence for the events in Exodus.

We do know the Arabs arrived as conquerers in the 7th Century. There were Jews in Arabia before there were Arabs in Israel.

 

[Bray123]

 

[Noor]

Too many people want the Jews to be eradicated from their homeland. The Jews, understandably, fight back. It’s not a “both sides” issue.

“Neutrality helps the oppressor.”

—Elie Wiesel

More like annihilated…

 

[Noor]

One question that never seems to get coherently answered: what is the criteria for determining when a group of people owns land that was previously owned, or at least lived on, by other groups?

Is there a specific time limit you can go into the past to find the 'original owners', and is there a descendant limit into the future that can assume old claims?

Because based upon what I've seen throughout all human history and examples, the criteria is purely arbitrary and justified by nothing other than subjective viewpoints.

There is no time limited on who is indigenous. In the case of Israel, it is not arbitrary at all. There is archeological evidence, and religious support ( the Bible). Jesus was a Jew born in Israel, that should be enough for Christians.
Significant Arab migration began in the 7th century across North Africa and the Levant to spread Islam. That’s Arabs from Arabia.
In Minnesota every few years we have a bunch of people who think that the treaty rights of spear fishing in lake Malacs should be abolished based on the treaty being over 200 yrs old.
It always is upheld by the courts.

 

[PersonalFavors]

The Bible is mostly myth. Most of it was composed by the Jews after Cyrus the Great restored Jerusalem to them after they were held in bondage in Babylon for several decades. The written Torah was based on earlier Jewish stories going back hundreds or thousands of years, but it’s unclear how much actually happened. For example, there’s no archeological evidence for the events in Exodus.

We do know the Arabs arrived as conquerers in the 7th Century. There were Jews in Arabia before there were Arabs in Israel.

Ironically Persians were there before the Arabs too. Peaceful before they were forced to read the Koran. Hostile for it. Islam before Shia. All the Persian's I know living here do not believe in the Muslim or Islamic. It caused all the problems they had to flee from.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Ironically Persians were there before the Arabs too. Peaceful before they were forced to read the Koran. Hostile for it. Islam before Shia. All the Persian's I know living here do not believe in the Muslim or Islamic. It caused all the problems they had to flee from.

The Persians like the Jews and so many other indigenous peoples have been living under the yoke of Arab colonialism for centuries. The Christians may be assholes, but at least they'll admit they committed genocide, unlike the Arabs who are like "nuh-uh, we've been here forever!"

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

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If you called the Gaza war a "genocide" that's something we'll make you own until the end of time. The Jews have long memories. We're not going to forget who turned on us when we were attacked.

 

[rgraham666]

My father was a vicious anti-semite. One day he was ranting about what the Israeli settlers were doing in the West Bank.

I got sick of his shit and said to him, "Dad? That isn't a Jewish thing to do. That is a human thing to do."

I will always judge individuals, never groups.