Clits

[dr_mabeuse]

Do other animals have clitorii?

Does the position of the human clitoris suggest that male anterior/female posterior (doggie-style) sex was the norm while humans were evolving?

If missionary-style sex was the norm, wouldn't the clitoris be better off below the vaginal opening?

Don't I have anything better to think about?


---dr.M.

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

I do not know about other animals, but I can tell you about placement.

If the clit were UNDER the opening it would be in line to the tear that often happens during childbirth on the peridium *can't spell it, but it's the bit between the opening and the anus*

If I childs head is too large this area is often cut by the doctor or is ripped by the force of the head coming out.

Now, does that seem like a good place for the only sexual organ on the human body that doesn't have a dual pupose, but was made for pleasure only and has twice the nerve endings than the penis? *by the way, no organ on the male body is only for pleasure*

Instead the clit is just above the rise of the pubic bone and enfolded in flesh protecting it from violence within and without to some degree.

And, it is said in some religous texts, that Adam's frist wife Lilith was thrown out of Eden becoz she wouldn't lay beneth him and wanted to be his equal and Eve, the more submissive, was created. Total BS in my view, as Adam didn't have the ego trip problems where he'd want to dominate anyone, he had simple asked God for a companion. In reference to your quesiton tho, it seems like the Missionary has been around longer than there have been Missionaries.

 

[Sabledrake]

Some female animals masturbate, so they must have something that lets them feel good. I remember reading or hearing on a documentary somewhere that the female porcupine even uses her forepaws to manipulate a stick.

But I spend a little too much time watching all the educational cable channels ...

Sabledrake

 

[karmadog]

*by the way, no organ on the male body is only for pleasure*

Nipples.

 

[SlickTony]

Do other animals have clitorii?

It would not surprise me if they all did. I am sure that dolphins and hyenas have them--that guy that has the website that tells you how you may safely have sex with a dolphin says they do, and he oughta know; and as for hyenas, they not only have clits, they have clits large enough that they're not all that easily distinguishable from males.

The reason that the clit is placed where it is, is because it is analogous to a penis, as God, or nature, or what/whoever you want to believe in, set out to make a human being firstly and then modified the existing equipment according to whether the human being was going to be a male or a female.

I read somewhere in some anthology of first-time sexual experiences among famous people, that Loretta Lynn didn't experience a really good orgasm until she'd been married for years and years, and this was because her husband finally discovered her clitoris. And she reflected that really, God would have done better to put the clitoris further south than it is, like maybe where the urethra is, so that the penis can come in better contact with it. A few years back, some doctor attempted to amend this supposed design flaw with surgery, with discouraging results.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

*by the way, no organ on the male body is only for pleasure*

Nipples.

not all men derive pleasure from attention to the nipples...and I believe that with an excess of a specific hormone, men can lactate. I could be wrong, but I believe I've seen that on ed programming. But going back to pleasure...out of over 20 men, I've only encountered about 3 who found it pleasurable.

all women derive pleasure from attention to the clit, which exists only for pleasure and serves no useful or potentially useful (beyond pleasure) function.

 

[ronde]

All female mammals have them. Female horses "flash" theirs when in "heat" by lifting their tail and opening the vaginal lips. To a stallion, that's like candle light and a sexy nighty. I've been trying to get my wife to learn this trick for years.

 

[Whispersecret]

I have a theory that God created the clitoris and its placement as an inducement to men to be good to their women. It is not stimulated by accident during intercourse. It must be concentrated on. Therefore, the man must take the time and effort to please his woman (even though he doesn't have to for procreation). If he does, the rewards will come (no pun intended) back to him. Basically, I think the clit might just be God's way of encouraging monogamy.

Yeah. I'm weird. LOL Flame away.

 

[Guest]

too much educational tv

Actually, there is a benefit that men derive from their woman orgasming (is there such a word? if not, there should be). Some will not see this as a benefit, but in the survival of the fittest game, it is.

After orgasm a woman's cervix drops open and dips repeatedly into the pool of semen below it. This helps the little guys along on their trip to the ovum. (It's also why orgasm can induce labor in the very late stages of pregnancy.)

Hence, making sure your woman "gets there" helps the lava of love "get there".

To follow up on WS's idea, men that take good care of their women should preferentially reproduce. So, they actually do derive a benefit for seeking out their partner's pleasure.

And regarding male nipples having no function but pleasure, I am so confused. I thought they were there so adolescent boys could torment each other by twisting them.

b

 

[PoliteSuccubus]

In a fiction book I'd once read about a Jewish Midwife in the Russian Revoltion she talked in length re: Jewish law re: sex. The man was to make the woman ready for penatration by assureing she had orgazimed beforehand. There were certain times of the month when sex was unclean, and study had shown that Orthodox Jews who followed these guidelines of when to have sex had more sons than daughters.

Also, a set of really good orgazims can set off spontanous ovalation: Or in short "Why the Rythem Method doesn't work".

And on further note, a man who can please his woman in all ways, includeing in the bedroom, is more than likely to keep her and repoduce with her. Maybe not the benefit it once was, but still....A woman happy with her homelife isn't going to stray as much as one who isn't.

In Old Persia young men of good birth were sent to a seris of "women of lesuire". Usually the older and less than attactive ones frist, to learn how to make love properly. When he could "hold his water of life" until she was begging him for more, he was advanced up to the next level. By the time he married, his wife the virgin, could exspct nothing less than a well versed lover in her husband.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

What about vaginal contractions during orgasm? Are these a myth too? I always include them in my stories for dramatic purposes, but I can't say I've ever really felt them.

 

[Lili]

What about vaginal contractions during orgasm? Are these a myth too? I always include them in my stories for dramatic purposes, but I can't say I've ever really felt them.

They are definately real. I can feel them when I come, and so can my bf (who blames them for why he can never last very long inside me).

If you can't feel them, maybe your woman could try doing some PC muscle exercises. These tighten you up somewhat, and they feel really good while you're doing them. Some women can come from these exercises alone, so I've read.

Lili

 

[Angeline]

Male Errongenous Zone

Karmadog said:

*by the way, no organ on the male body is only for pleasure*

Nipples.

And I thought they were just for decoration. . .

 

[SlickTony]

Nipples.

It's funny, how stimulation to this area can drive some guys nuts, and others can take it or leave it alone.

The lactation that takes place under unusual cirdumstances is called galactorrhea, and it is a side effect of some medications.

 

[Quasimodem]

I read somewhere in some anthology of first-time sexual experiences among famous people, that Loretta Lynn didn't experience a really good orgasm until she'd been married for years and years, and this was because her husband finally discovered her clitoris. And she reflected that really, God would have done better to put the clitoris further south than it is, like maybe where the urethra is, so that the penis can come in better contact with it. A few years back, some doctor attempted to amend this supposed design flaw with surgery, with discouraging results.

It has already been observed that God must be an engineer.

Who else would run a sewage system through a recreational facility?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Does the position of the human clitoris suggest that male anterior/female posterior (doggie-style) sex was the norm while humans were evolving?

If missionary-style sex was the norm, wouldn't the clitoris be better off below the vaginal opening?

Don't I have anything better to think about?


---dr.M.

Actually, from what I learned in college, and this might no be true, as some of those things seemed to be uncommon knowledge to others (Perhaps they're less knowledgable, perhaps I am less knowledgable), but the Clitoris isn't strategically placed for use in stimulation alone. The Clitoris and the Penis are actually two separate versions of the same body part. In the womb, when first concieved, all fetuses are female, then, as the fetus develops, past the "I can't remember exactly when" period of development, if the child bears the Y chromosome, the clitoris expands and grows into a penis and the testes drop. Basically, the clit can't really move to the bottom of the vagina during the same period of development, hence it winds up where it is...
Admittedly, they're aren't identical in thier positioning, but that's basically what we were taught, right or wrong...

 

[wildsweetone]

It has already been observed that God must be an engineer.

Who else would run a sewage system through a recreational facility?

government?

 

[deliciously_naughty]

What about vaginal contractions during orgasm? Are these a myth too? I always include them in my stories for dramatic purposes, but I can't say I've ever really felt them.

Real...having had them I can vouch for them

 

[Quasimodem]

*by the way, no organ on the male body is only for pleasure*

The brain, guys! You keep forgetting about the brain!

Originally posted by dr_mabeuse
What about vaginal contractions during orgasm?

There's a girl I remember dimly from my past, who was fondly known as 'Mona, the Boa.'

Anybody care to guess why?

( No, she didn't have feathers. )

 

[johonnaN]

Quasi


I am going to guess...boa the constricter....close???



JN...

 

[charlie-codex]

If missionary-style sex was the norm, wouldn't the clitoris be better off below the vaginal opening?

---dr.M.

Missionary Position is not the norm in the human species. It evolved into being the "norm" over the past couple of hundred of years for various Victorian-like reasons.

Before that, we humped like the rest of the land-based mammals in the animal kingdom.

Which is why the clit is where it is.

 

[SlickTony]

Does the position of the human clitoris suggest that male anterior/female posterior (doggie-style) sex was the norm while humans were evolving?

According to Elaine Morgan, who wrote The Descent of Woman, the so-called "missionary" position was an adaptation to the increasingly upright posture early [wo]man--as the upright posture evolved, the vagina became less accessible from the back, and finally some enterprising hominid had the bright idea of entering from the front. Trouble with this position was that whereas in the doggie position, the tip of the cock was sure to hit the padded anterior wall of the vagina (where the nerves were), the spot didn't get hit at all in the new position, and the females didn't like it worth a damn.

Nevertheless, the new position became the rage among males, who began imposing it upon females everywhere. As a result, estrus was lost and relations between the sexes became irretrievably skewed. The clitoris, which was there because it was an analog of the penis (I said this several posts ago, didn't anyone notice?) was pressed--or licked or rubbed or strummed--into service as an inducement to get female hominids to go along with what had essentially become an unrewarding experience.

Morgan also intimated that had we kept evolving into marine mammals, instead of going back into the interior as soon as the climate improved, the female sex organs might have evolved into a more anterior position, and we would have adapted to belly-to-belly sex as well as whales have, and when did you ever hear of sexual dysfunction in a whale? Plus, I understand whales--at least dolphins, which are a subspecies of whale--have prehensile cocks.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

No offence, Slick Tony, but those ideas you quote from Elaine Morgan are the kind of anti-male propaganda and pseudo-science that give feminism a bad rap. I doubt very much that early males "decided" they liked face-to-face copulation better than face-to-back and so engineered a big plot to deprive women of their rightful pleasure. I just cannot picture a bunch of Cro-magnon's sitting around the fire saying "Hey, you ought to make her do it face-to-face, then she won't enjoy it as much! Haw-Haw!" Humans probably started going face-to-face about the same time they developed special affections for one another.

I think you're right about the embryological evidence, that the penis--actually the head of the penis--and the clitoris develop from analagous tissue in the fetus

As for marine mammals with prehensile penises, all I can say is if I were going to have sex in the water without arms I'd want a way to hold on too. Most regular old fish just spray their semen into the water over the eggs. (Anyone for a dip in the lake?)

One interesting sidelight is that men's big attraction to breasts supposedly goes back to our days of doggie-style sex, when the big visual turn-on was the female buttocks. Because big boobs mimic the appearance of a woman's behind, they still light up men's imaginations. So now we get it coming and going

---dr.M.

 

[Quasimodem]

Originally posted by johonnaN
I am going to guess...boa the constricter....close???

johonnaN gets a free ride on the Octopussy!

Originally posted by dr_mabeuse
... men's big attraction to breasts supposedly goes back to our days of doggie-style sex ... big boobs mimic the appearance of a woman's behind ...

I don't believe that! Not at all.
In man's "doggie-days" his eyesight was so poor he couldn't see nipples?
Next, you'll be telling us that the reason some societies had women wear ruby's in their navel, was as some kind of 'No Admittance' sign.

Will somebody fan air into The Cabinet of dr_mabeuse, quickly!

 

[karmadog]

men's big attraction to breasts supposedly goes back to our days of doggie-style sex, when the big visual turn-on was the female buttocks. Because big boobs mimic the appearance of a woman's behind, they still light up men's imaginations

I've read this, too. Of course, it is only a theory attempting to explain why humans have such large breasts. No other primate has them, they are not necessary for the production of sufficient milk (large breasts, I mean). And males are demonstrably fascinated by them. I for one could watch a large breasted woman bounce on a trampoline for days. And I'm not even a 'breast man'!

I'm not sure, but I think Desmond Morris originated this theory. At least, his book 'The Naked Ape' is the first place I recall seeing it.