Climate Changed

[Pad_Foot]

It’s not a theory
It’s a fact

Share your evidence here
Not the argument of whether the Industrial Age is to blame

Microplastics ? Ok.. that’s chemical companies! They should be forced to pay and change their evil ways NOW

Climate Facts!
https://monacolife.net/impending-in...e-oceanographic-museum-not-just-in-its-tanks/

Start appreciating just Lion Fish as your seafood!!

Next ? South Pacific? How soon??
Who knew our “Canary” of the sea would be such a pretty God awful fish

 

[PersonalFavors]

You first. Share your evidence.

 

[Pad_Foot]

You first. Share your evidence.

Read much?
https://monacolife.net/impending-in...e-oceanographic-museum-not-just-in-its-tanks/

 

[Bray123]

 

[Pad_Foot]

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So?? Before Gore made this a “thing” Earth’s temp and Solar radiation were not at ALL linked, yet that was the deniers’ (oil & coal producers’) biggest excuse for the data??

Or.. it’s just a cycle of the Earth!

So they deny it is happening now? No reason to offer!?? Great scientists! Disprove the theory!!

(Now they will bring up the bad data)

 

[PersonalFavors]

So?? Before Gore made this a “thing” Earth’s temp and Solar radiation were not at ALL linked, yet that was the deniers’ (oil & coal producers’) biggest excuse for the data??

Or.. it’s just a cycle of the Earth!

So they deny it is happening now? No reason to offer!?? Great scientists! Disprove the theory!!

(Now they will bring up the bad data)

"Share your evidence here
Not the argument of whether the Industrial Age is to blame"
You said in your post to not use bad data but here you have done just that.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Wtf?
Lion fish spreading through the Mediterranean is the data

Temperature rise since the Industrial Age? Ok. I’ll look. Why is temp rising?? That’s still a theory. Disprove it. That’s science

If you wanted to use the sun? Ok.. data provided .. says no

Show the Climate HAS changed is the point of the thread. Add evidence

 

[PersonalFavors]

Wtf?
Lion fish spreading through the Mediterranean is the data

Temperature rise since the Industrial Age? Ok. I’ll look. Why is temp rising?? That’s still a theory. Disprove it. That’s science

You said:
So?? Before Gore made this a “thing” Earth’s temp and Solar radiation were not at ALL linked, yet that was the deniers’ (oil & coal producers’) biggest excuse for the data??

Or.. it’s just a cycle of the Earth!

So they deny it is happening now? No reason to offer!?? Great scientists! Disprove the theory!!

(Now they will bring up the bad data)

And eating lion fish is not science. May even be theory. Monk fish live in the lion fish realm. I've had those. But I doubt that led to any kind of climate whatever you are trying to claim.

Something stifled on the internet is the research or even discussion of how much more damage electric cars ore doing than the existing automobiles. The additional damage increased electricity is causing. The plethora of new chemicals exposed in creation and demolition of electric vehicles. Not to mention the mass waste that will be created when the costs of everything increase due to unreliable shipping methods. And none of those with do much to climate. They will increase pollution and war, which is already happening.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Fuck
You didn’t read the link
Lion Fish are not changing the climate

Lion Fish have never been in the Mediterranean until very recently

Florida is paying bounties for killing them

As for oil? Coal? Yeah.. sooooo clean. Never been a problem

We do need to recycle lithium batteries. I agree. Lead ones too for that matter. You can only dump so many in Mexico

 

[PersonalFavors]

You did not read your own post.

 

[jaF0]

Earth's climate has been changing constantly since long before humans arrived and will continue to do so long after humans are gone.

 

[Lazaran]

Earth's climate has been changing constantly since long before humans arrived and will continue to do so long after humans are gone.

Well, yes…

but the ACCELERATED PACE of climate change instigated by ANTHROPOGENIC ACTIONS (burning fossil fuels, raising cattle, deforestation, polluting the oceans, etc, etc,) is looking to be THE cause of an fairly imminent extinction level event like the one caused by a big dumb rock that randomly hit the earth off the Yucatán peninsula.

Are humans smarter than that big dumb rock???

I would hope so.

 

[gtnlynn]

Wetter, stronger tropical storms/hurricanes in our area. Animal behavior: species are here that were not here 40 years ago. Hotter summers.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ What about 40,000 years ago?

 

[Pad_Foot]

Dipshit.. human civilization didn’t exist then
And yes.. the Earth could go back to that
The Earth will shrug us off like a parasitic dinosaur.

What the fuck are you going to do as the Climate Changes more?

 

[PersonalFavors]

Well, yes…

but the ACCELERATED PACE of climate change instigated by ANTHROPOGENIC ACTIONS (burning fossil fuels, raising cattle, deforestation, polluting the oceans, etc, etc,) is looking to be THE cause of an fairly imminent extinction level event like the one caused by a big dumb rock that randomly hit the earth off the Yucatán peninsula.

Are humans smarter than that big dumb rock???

I would hope so.

All the things you mentioned are not going to end earth or its habitability any time soon.
If there is a change I would say it is cement. In large cities where everything is paved the heat of summer is amplified and possibly extended. The solid reflective surface collects heat.
Or the macadam left turn lanes they started making triple long and double wide. That is some heat there. And stupid. Rather than design such that traffic keeps moving they create a larger area for cars to idle at their most inefficient and have to accelerate again. There are many things these climate nuts do in the name of climate that just cost money. Like Gore wanted a climate tax. So he could collect track and skim as much of it as he could. Since he proposed the idea now any bill cable internet phone gas electric.... All have newly named fees added 10 for processing 15 for transmission, 20 for whatever new word they can come up with to inflate the monthly collection rate.
Since the cell phone there hasn't been an invention that is life changing. Just costs and more ways to pollute in the name of not polluting.
Be conservative. Stop polluting. Conservation is the only way forward.

 

[Rick345]

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Thank you this is the only bit of data I've seen in this thread that gives some evidence that temps are raising without blaming industrialization. This evidence is not infutable. For example the industrial age began about 1800, this chart does go back that far but I don't have a problem with that shortcoming.

However, it would be interesting to discover what make temp skyrocket 160 years after the start of the industrial revolution. Some time lag is expected but by 1900 industrialization was in full swing and by the 1940's America was a industrial super power. However, it took another generation before global warming was a thing. The tend between temps and the sun's output was pretty tight from 1880 till 1955 or so then temps took off like a rocket.. Why?

 

[Bray123]

Thank you this is the only bit of data I've seen in this thread that gives some evidence that temps are raising without blaming industrialization. This evidence is not infutable. For example the industrial age began about 1800, this chart does go back that far but I don't have a problem with that shortcoming.

However, it would be interesting to discover what make temp skyrocket 160 years after the start of the industrial revolution. Some time lag is expected but by 1900 industrialization was in full swing and by the 1940's America was a industrial super power. However, it took another generation before global warming was a thing. The tend between temps and the sun's output was pretty tight from 1880 till 1955 or so then temps took off like a rocket.. Why?

Obviously the figures have to be global; the Earth doesn't worry unduly about foolish political boundaries. Fossil fuel consumption really took off 1950-60, which coincides with temperature rise. Also deforestation, pollution etc took off at the same time.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-fossil-fuel-consumption

 

[Lazaran]

All the things you mentioned are not going to end earth or its habitability any time soon.
If there is a change I would say it is cement. In large cities where everything is paved the heat of summer is amplified and possibly extended. The solid reflective surface collects heat.
Or the macadam left turn lanes they started making triple long and double wide. That is some heat there. And stupid. Rather than design such that traffic keeps moving they create a larger area for cars to idle at their most inefficient and have to accelerate again. There are many things these climate nuts do in the name of climate that just cost money. Like Gore wanted a climate tax. So he could collect track and skim as much of it as he could. Since he proposed the idea now any bill cable internet phone gas electric.... All have newly named fees added 10 for processing 15 for transmission, 20 for whatever new word they can come up with to inflate the monthly collection rate.
Since the cell phone there hasn't been an invention that is life changing. Just costs and more ways to pollute in the name of not polluting.
Be conservative. Stop polluting. Conservation is the only way forward.

You are an Ostrich with their head in the sand in De-Nile.

It’s going to take a hell of a lot more than "conservation” to address the looming / PRESENT crisis.

It’s going to take an all of the above approach, which means more green / renewable / advanced energy sources, EVs, smarter home / city construction, carbon capture / sequestration, changes in eating preferences, reforestation, ocean cleanup, etc, etc, etc, etc, AND conservation.

Anyone who thinks that the extinction event isn’t already in progress is an Ostrich with their head in the sand in De Nile.

 

[Rick345]

Obviously the figures have to be global; the Earth doesn't worry unduly about foolish political boundaries. Fossil fuel consumption really took off 1950-60, which coincides with temperature rise. Also deforestation, pollution etc took off at the same time.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-fossil-fuel-consumption

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Unfortunately I don't think human beings are capable of thinking beyond whatever little world in which they live.. We don't think much beyond our own neighborhoods, maybe even beyond our own families. We think into the future maybe as far as what we'll have for supper tomorrow. Yes we talk about the future, but climate change is very abstract. We as humans can't even solve concrete problems which are far less abstract things like nuclear weapons, gun violence, suicide, if we should feed own hungry, making good medical care to all etc..

 

[Pad_Foot]

Hey!
The lion fish don’t give a hoot about why the trip is changing

Who believes that temps and climate are not changing ??

Share evidence of change

Arguing about the reason(s) allows the ostriches to drown!

 

[jaF0]

Dipshit.. human civilization didn’t exist then

Exactly the point.

We don't have factual, first hand data beyond a few hundred years, not even the full life span of humans or our predecessors. We have some analysis of things like ice cores and tree rings, but those are just that ... analysis, interpretations ... opinions.

One thing we do know for a fact is that glaciers once covered much of what is now Michigan and surrounding areas. Did the cavemen burn enough trees to cause them to recede?


No one can say for a fact that this kind of change has or has not happened before. I've seen speculation we could be headed back to an ice age.


Earth is a living, breathing, constantly changing organism. WE don't matter.



You also added this bit: "The Earth will shrug us off like a parasitic dinosaur. " Do you know where that thought came from?

 

[Chernosoth]

I've seen speculation we could be headed back to an ice age.

We're in an interglacial period. There will be more ice ages that are progressively less icy as the sun becomes hotter in cycles, the usual course of a star over millions of years.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Europe and the East coast will be in deep shit if the Atlantic currents shut down. The little ice age in Europe was due to this phenomenon. It was a localized cold spell often used by deniers to reflect world temperatures.

Humans as parasites on Earth? Common theme in SciFi.

No. Cavemen had no effect on the last Ice Age. I think the cycle of real Ice Ages is known

There’s also a cycle for Earth’s magnetic field

 

[SubzeroGirl]

I looked out the window and it’s raining when it should be snowing. What I didn’t see was the sky falling. Who cares? The people who talk about it the most are the most hypocritical, but keep talking because that really works!