Citizenship tests

G

Guest

Guest
I found this very interesting but knew nothing of the U.S. test. I'd be interested in learning more about tests from other countries. Is there anyone here who's taken a 'national' test? Passed, failed? [Full article in NY Times online 'Arts' section]

UK people, I need to know: "If you spill someone else's beer in a pub, what should you do? "

Perdita :)

Refining the Tests That Confer Citizenship - EDWARD ROTHSTEIN, NYT, Jan. 23, 2006

Where does Father Christmas come from?
How old do you have to be to buy a lottery ticket?
If your adult son declares he's a homosexual, what do you do?
If a film or a book insults your religious feelings, what is your reaction?
Why are aboriginal peoples seeking self-government?
Who has the power to declare war?

Answering such questions appropriately may not define you as a citizen of the world, even in this era of supposed globalization, but it would help get you citizenship in Britain (the first two questions), Germany (the second two), Canada (the next) or the United States (the last). Perhaps never before in human history has so much energy been devoted to trying to establish citizenship tests to define national identity. Judging from the debates raging and the confused choices made, there is as little agreement within each country as there is between them.

In the United States, discussions about creating a new citizenship test have been going on for a decade. About $3.5 million has been spent since 2001 when the Immigration and Naturalization Service promised a redesign.
...
Britain, meanwhile, introduced a new citizenship test in November and is beginning formal induction ceremonies like those in America. Last week, the newspaper The Guardian reported that the Netherlands was beginning a pilot program in which tests about Dutch language and culture would be administered to prospective immigrants in their native countries; the government also planned to require all immigrants who stay in the Netherlands more than three years to take citizenship classes. And earlier this month, the Baden-Württemberg region of Germany instituted questions to be asked only of Muslims from particular countries - questions dealing with women's rights, religious freedom and domestic life.

One reason for the flurry of activity has been just what the German questions so bluntly address: the phenomenon of Muslim immigrants and citizens in Europe who not only are segregated from a nation's culture but also hostile to it. In 2004, for example, a poll found that 21 percent of Muslims in Germany believed the Koran and the German Constitution were incompatible. Hence these attempts to establish a shared identity based on particular beliefs and facts.

But which ones? Even where the notion of identity would seem to be fairly secure, notions of citizenship can be slight. In Britain, the Home Office minister in charge said the new procedures were meant to "help new citizens to gain a greater appreciation of the civic and political dimensions of British citizenship." But while the 45-minute test includes questions about the structure of the British government and stresses Britain's religious identity ("What is the Church of England and who is its head?"), the main emphasis is on the test's title: "Life in the U.K."

Judging from news reports and sample questions, the test treats British culture not as a product of centuries of evolution and political struggle with stunning achievements (and failures) - in fact, there is almost no history on the test at all - but as a set of practical behaviors along with correct attitudes toward women and ethnic minorities. The practical can be trivial: If you spill someone else's beer in a pub, what should you do? What is the voltage of British electric outlets? It is as if too much shouldn't be expected, because there is not too much worth championing. Prospective citizens less fluent in English are met with even lower expectations: they take a "skills for life" course instead of an exam and demonstrate their competence to the instructor.

By comparison, the existing American test of history and civics knowledge seems fairly robust. Objections to it arose partly because in the 1990's - a record decade for immigration - standards had become so lax, that in many cases background checks of aspirants failed to turn up significant criminal records. In 1997, the Commission on Immigration Reform also found that there was no consistency in administering or scoring the tests; often delivered orally in regional offices, they were sometimes informally scaled by the examiners. The commission also objected to the tests' reliance on memorization of facts rather than on broader concepts.
...
The current test covers a fair amount of trivia: the name of the Pilgrims' ship; in which month a president is inaugurated. But there are also important questions about government structure ("Why are there 100 senators in the Senate?") and ideas ("What is the basic belief of the Declaration of Independence?"). No specific replacement questions have been publicly proposed.
...
A new test could do no better than emphasize that point and demonstrate the kinds of commitments made in citizenship. The process, after all, is called naturalization because it really does change the alien into the natural, the foreign into the familiar. The immigrant is giving up one identity and taking on another; in the process, both country and citizen are transformed.

This has tended to be easier in the United States, where the very idea of the nation is bound up with immigration, than in countries whose idea of the nation is bound up with an inherited past. Yet now, even European nations must present themselves in another form, as sets of ideas and customs, as cultures being offered in exchange for sacrifices demanded. That social contract is not being negotiated with much confidence in Britain, and it seems shaky enough elsewhere, too. The United States generally seems more sure of what it is offering; coming months will show how sure it is of what it is asking.
 
My parents took the US test when they were naturalized. There are a lot of questions that I'm sure any random American on the street wouldn't be able to answer about our government, Constitution, and history. They passed on their first try, but the immigrant community is a resourceful one - meaning a copy of the test questions floats around from person to person, so they know in advance what will be covered and what to study for. There's also a basic reading/writing test, which can be more difficult than the government test as that's delivered orally.

Immigrants have to be in the US for a certain number of years before they can apply. Each person is required to provide comprehensive background information about political affiliations in their homeland, criminal issues, etc. You can still pass the test if, for example, you were member of the Communist Party in China, but if you were and you lie about it, you will fail after the background check. Of course, as part of your oath, you are required to renounce your citizenship and allegiance to your homeland. This is surprisingly difficult for people, as all immigrants don't necessarily hate their homeland and many have families there.

Oh, and it's expensive, too. You have to pay all kinds of fees. Also, you get fingerprinted, and you have to get photos taken that are attached to your application and naturalization certificate. From application to citizenship, it takes a long time for processing, too. In some cities like Chicago and NY, it can take up to a year for someone to even look at your paperwork for the first time.

And then there's all the standing in line at the offices for all the different meetings and interviews. You're lumped in with all the people applying for permanent residence, work permits, etc. so the lines are even longer than they would be if there were separate departments for that. It's often difficult for people to get enough time from work for all the meetings. They don't make it easy.
 
Norajane, thanks, that was very interesting. I'm glad to hear about test questions being 'available' in advance ;) .

Perdita
 
Makes you wonder how many people born in their countries would be able to pass these tests?
I would probably be deported.
 
perdita said:
Norajane, thanks, that was very interesting. I'm glad to hear about test questions being 'available' in advance ;) .

Perdita

You're quite welcome. :)

It's a good thing I was in high school while my parents were studying for the test. I actually had to look up quite a few of the answers because I didn't know them either. :rolleyes:
 
I still want to know what to do in the UK "if you spill someone else's beer in a pub". I know what I'd normally do, but is this a trick question? I wonder if someone's been denied naturalization for getting it wrong. Or for spilling beer!?

Perdita
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Makes you wonder how many people born in their countries would be able to pass these tests?
I would probably be deported.

:D

I can tell you it's really insulting to be on the receiving end of all the vitriol against immigrants when I know how hard they try, and how hard they have to work, to live in this country. I know most people these days are concerned about illegal immigrants, but there are all kinds of dumb perceptions out there, like that legal immigrants don't have to pay taxes. Or if you have to take a menial job or speak with an accent, that you are stupid, and nevermind that you were a teacher in your birth country.
 
Norajane said:
:D

I can tell you it's really insulting to be on the receiving end of all the vitriol against immigrants when I know how hard they try, and how hard they have to work, to live in this country. I know most people these days are concerned about illegal immigrants, but there are all kinds of dumb perceptions out there, like that legal immigrants don't have to pay taxes. Or if you have to take a menial job or speak with an accent, that you are stupid, and nevermind that you were a teacher in your birth country.
I can only imagine. It's hard enough to grasp another language but to learn extensive history...yikes. I still realize how much I don't really know. Thank God for the History Channel.

P'dita: Spilling beer is punishable by caning.
 
Hi Mum.

I was watchin a thingie on the PBS station the other night about China, gosh what a beautiful country. The show wasn't about the things most of us in other countries have heard about China, but it covered a lot of things I found facinating.

They glossed over some of the tragic events like the demonstrators who were shot in "T Square" with the short truth, that all will never be known. Also they interviewed one man, sitting comfortably in a coffeeshop, who told how he was forced to do hard labor at one point in China's, to me, confusing history. He said he was convicted of a crime, being educated in the west.

They was visiting tiny villages and huge cities, hiking through beautiful countrysides, and meeting peoples.

The last part was about the huge damn they are building that some say will transform and possibly evironmentally destroy, an unbelievably large area. But it is to reduce the flooding and save lives, they said it is scheduled for completion in 2012.

All this had me thinking, not so much about the country, but about the people, and your article got me thinking about the vast number of americans who came from that country over the years. I found this article while googlein around, it kinda made me mad and sad. However it strikes you I will share it, concerning how many hopeful would-be immigrants, were treated at one point in time, in my country. I am not proud.

*************************************************************
*************************************************************
*************************************************************

Citizenship Process
Entrapment: The Interrogation Process at Angel Island Immigration Station

Brief Introduction to the Citizen Process at Angel Island:
"Who lives in the third house in the second row of houses in your village?" "How many steps are there to the front door of your house?" Approximately 175,000 Chinese immigrants, on their way to the "land of opportunity," were bombarded with these questions and many others during their stay at Angel Island. The questions were not designed to determine if the immigrant would be a good citizen but if the person was related to a citizen. "The Ellis Island of the West" was very different than originally planned. Ellis Island in New York processed the incoming immigrants; whereas, Angel Island detained and interrogated immigrants. The interrogation process reflected the prevalent anti-Chinese sentiment present during the early 20th century. The immigrants were assumed guilty and had to prove their relationship. The questions were designed to entrap and confuse. Even though 97% of immigrants were allowed through, the human toll of the interrogation and waiting demoralized the Chinese immigrants. They felt that they weren't wanted and reflected their frustration and anguish in the somber poetry written on the walls of the barracks. The immigrants carried their fear, isolation, and humiliation with them into America. Thus, the citizenship process was extremely trying and difficult for the Chinese immigrants who came through Angel Island. Their tragic ordeal is now fully being understood as they reveal their painful memories of immigration to the next generations.

Path to the Interrogation: "Paper sons and daughters"

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 offered one hope: if a Chinese immigrant was related to a citizen in America, he or she would be allowed entrance into the country. The act was the first legislation to limit the immigration of a particular race into the United States and was a response to the economic depression that the country was suffering. The phenomenon of "paper sons" and "paper daughters" began to appear as people falsified papers claiming relations. Brokers provided false papers relating an immigrant to a citizen making them their son on paper. Papers did not come cheap; families often sold their land and spent all of their money in order to send the brightest individuals to the "land of opportunity." One Chinese immigrant explains his involvement in the business of "paper sons": "Instead, we had to go back to the same old thing, 'paper son.' They had to send me over not as my father's own son, but as the son of another cousin from another village." Immigration officials soon caught on and began to use interrogation in order to verify the paper relationships.

The Interrogation:

Originally thought to become the "Ellis Island of the West," a place where European immigrants would be registered, Angel Island easily became a detainment center for almost exclusively Chinese immigrants with the outbreak of World War I and the 1906 earthquake. In 1906, an earthquake in San Francisco and the resulting fires destroyed all the files containing the information about past Chinese immigrants. Any Chinese person living in San Francisco could claim to be a citizen and was now able to bring over their "relatives." The interrogation process was therefore created to attest that the Chinese immigrants were actually related to Chinese-American citizens. Brokers provided prompt books to the immigrants so they could adopt their new identity. The books were often 200 pages long and detailed the history of their paper family. These Chinese would memorize the extensive information to prepare to answer any question that the officials would ask on the island. One Chinese "paper son" explains his experience:

{They give you a book of about 200 pages to study - all your life, you family, your brother's name, the whole village, almost. They would ask you all kinds of questions when you get to the United States, the immigration (station) at Angel Island . . . I was there for three weeks.}

Interrogation teams composed of two inspectors, a stenographer and an interpreter interrogated the immigrants about their lives to compare their answers to the testimony of their "families." The questions were not designed to determine if the immigrant would be a good citizen but if the person was related to a citizen. The length of one's detainment was determined by how one answered the questions. Stays on the island could be as short as two weeks to as long as two years in one case. Inconsistencies were scrutinized and were grounds for deportation. The immigrants, separated from their families, awaited hours of interrogation that would decide if they had to go home or could stay. Several people could not handle the stress and committed suicide instead of returning shamefully to to China.

Chinese immigrants were forced to answer numerous confusing questions, and they expressed their fear and isolation in their poems etched on the walls of the barracks. The poems are a visible reminder of the pain that the interrogations generated. The stress of the interrogations induced depression, a feeling of extreme isolation, and resentment towards Americans. Most importantly, the "paper son" phenomenon caused the Chinese to lose their identity.

{We are constantly kept in the dark about our real identities. This notion of being unwelcome, of being made to feel forever foreigners, stays with us. It's passed through the generations as a kind of shame. That's why I think so many Chinese American communities have suffered from political apathy and fear of authority for so long. There's still a lack of awareness and pride in our family history.}

Even with the repeal of the Chinese Exclusion Acts in 1940 and a fire that destroyed the main administration building, the consequences of Angel Island remain today in the memories of the 175,000 Chinese immigrants who passed through Angel Island. The human effects of their incarceration lasted longer than their ephemeral stay on the island and manifested in the way they lived their lives after their detainment.
 
perdita said:
I still want to know what to do in the UK "if you spill someone else's beer in a pub". I know what I'd normally do, but is this a trick question? I wonder if someone's been denied naturalization for getting it wrong. Or for spilling beer!?

Perdita


I think the correct answer is:

RUN AWAY FAST!!!!!!!!!
 
perdita said:
I still want to know what to do in the UK "if you spill someone else's beer in a pub". I know what I'd normally do, but is this a trick question? I wonder if someone's been denied naturalization for getting it wrong. Or for spilling beer!?

Perdita


I would imagine, if you spill someone's beer in a pub, the accepted mode of behaviour is to apologise profusely, (especially if he's bigger than you), and offer to buy the punter another one to replace it.

'Tis what I would do.
 
Lisa, sweets, thanks for the post. As you know, Angel Island is part of my neighborhood. I used to take your step-brothers there for picnics and when the oldest was in college he volunteered for a group that takes tourists there, not for picnics but to show them the truth about that ugly past. (Being Mexican-Chinese-American he had a special interest in California history ;) .)

Keep studying, eat something green, don't smoke (unlike your mum :) )

:heart:
 
perdita said:
Lisa, sweets, thanks for the post. As you know, Angel Island is part of my neighborhood. I used to take your step-brothers there for picnics and when the oldest was in college he volunteered for a group that takes tourists there, not for picnics but to show them the truth about that ugly past. (Being Mexican-Chinese-American he had a special interest in California history ;) .)

Keep studying, eat something green, don't smoke (unlike your mum :) )

:heart:
Sad to say but until Lisa made that post I had never heard of Angel Island. :eek:
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Makes you wonder how many people born in their countries would be able to pass these tests?
I would probably be deported.

What an interesting world that would be! What if you couldn't pass the test in any other country, either? The world's airports would fill up with people unable to legally enter any country- I suppose they could work at the duty-free shops. I suspect, though, that these stateless people, when there were enough of them, would set up their own structures of government- and make their own citizenship tests...
 
matriarch said:
I would imagine, if you spill someone's beer in a pub, the accepted mode of behaviour is to apologise profusely, (especially if he's bigger than you), and offer to buy the punter another one to replace it.

'Tis what I would do.
Me too, Mat. But why is such a common sense query put on the UK naturalization exam? Anyone?

As for testing cultural acclimatizing wouldn't it make more sense to ask the difference among beer, ale, bitters, etc.?

Perdita
 
Purple Sage said:
What an interesting world that would be! What if you couldn't pass the test in any other country, either? The world's airports would fill up with people unable to legally enter any country- I suppose they could work at the duty-free shops. I suspect, though, that these stateless people, when there were enough of them, would set up their own structures of government- and make their own citizenship tests...


"I think these questions about The Civil War that I'm studying for the American Citizenship Test are hard."
"You've got it easy! I'm studying for the Japanese Citizenship Test! I've got tons of generals and samurais to memorize!"
 
The German test has been on the news a lot lately, there is quite a bit of protest against it, some people support it though.

I don't know the matter well enough to say I am completely against the test, but the example questions show the problem (which has been named here before) - what if there is something asked that wouldn't even be the case for people born in the country?

I am by no means trying to defend any homophobe tendencies, please don't think that, but if you go to some small village in, say, Bavaria, or Mecklemburg, and a son comes home and tells their (german) parents he is homosexual their reaction won't be much better than that of strict muslim parents. And no one would throw those Germans out.

Another thing is, it's easy to learn what you are expected to answer, without really thinking so. So what is really being tested there?

I guess we are a bit at a conflict here, because for ages, being German has been associated with blood. Germany is one of the countries where citizenship depends a lot on whether your parents are German. But with the changes in the world this concept works less and less. So I guess a new Germanness is sought for. But for me the whole idea of nation is becoming more and more outdated, but okay, that is going to far, I guess.

But anyway, I don't think someone's thinking should determine their right to stay here - getting in conflict with the law, maybe. At the moment that they do. And I have problems with seperating immigrants into "good foreigners" and "bad foreigners" by putting up this kind of questions - saying the most adapted ones are the good ones and only those who think like we do have a right to stay here.

Of course, I don't agree with muslim parents kicking their gay son out of the house, or worse - but I also don't see how such a test would actually change that. As I said, you can't even check if they say the truth on such a test. If I had to take it, and knew what answers might decide about my residence permit, but think differently, I'd lie...
 
Thanks, Munachi, that was informative too. Just the type of response I was looking for.

best to you, Perdita
 
perdita said:
I'd never heard of it til I moved here. P.
Now we've both learned more and learning is power. I must investigate this further now.
Thanks P'dita. :rose:
 
Sometimes I think they should put a trick question in there for what it is really about.

Like:

What do you do if you spill somebodies beer?

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Literotica Party?

What is 2 plus 2?

How do you make a bomb?

If you find out your adult parents are heterosexuals, what should you do?

If you are drivin east, from the west, and you get in a car crash from someone driving south, from the north. what is the laws of the state where you crashed concerning having a compass on your dashboard?
 
Back
Top