Circumcision Status as a Plot Point

[MrPixel]

I had a reader comment on a recent story:

... Why do so many american writers seem so surprised when ‘the man’ is uncut (or uncircumcised) ? ...

This gentleman is European and was puzzled about the distinction, that circumcision is quite rare in Europe, and why was it even worth mentioning in stories (of evident US origin)?

I make this distinction in several of my works both published and in process on account of my wife's previous relationships with uncircumcised partners. She commented that intercourse is much more comfortable when her partner is natural, and prefers it if she had the option. Like the vast majority of American men, I was circumcised at birth, so that ship sailed several decades ago.

This prompted a bunch of research into formal studies. I discovered that 90% of US men are circumcised, and that it is uniquely American. What I could deduce was that neo-natal circumcision became routine if not mandated within the medical community here right after WW II, with no significant pushback until the mid-1980s. IOW, if a male child was delivered in a hospital, circumcision was the assumed preference, no option presented.

Research found a later formal study (1999) determining the entire premise - disease prevention - was so much hooey, that there was no statistically significant difference in morbidity including STDs between cut and uncut. What was especially disturbing in all of the studies was not one mention of female comfort in intercourse. None. Wow.

So I will continue to touch on "uncut" in my stories, as my primary female character has this preference, and pursues it when given the opportunity.

 

[rescatooor]

Call me foolish but what does it matter to women's pleasure whether a dick is uncut or not? I have never heard of women preferring circumcised aside from some Nip/Tuck episode some years ago. And in that case it sounded like it was for aesthetic reasons. A view I have not heard a woman express.

 

[rescatooor]

I've written a few stories where female circumcision plays a role. In one of those stories, the primary female character strongly advocates the practice of female circumcision. No-one ever commented on that; no-one ever indicated it was odd, or bad, or whatever. It's all cultural.



Yesterday, this was in our news: Eastern Cape initiation death toll rises


(To be clear, this concerns male circumcision...)

I think that's odd.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I was born in England and uncircumcised. When I moved to Australia, I was more the exception, as Australians of my generation tended to be circumcised.

Over the years that's changed (I have no idea on the numbers - Bramblethorn will advise on that - but I believe most men under a certain age in Oz are natural. I do know of men who have had circumcision for medical reasons as an adult, but not, "Just because Dad got cut."

It never occurs to me to make it a plot point though - I write what I've always had - 100% cock with nothing missing.

 

[KeithD]

Erotica is mostly in the mind. (The act itself is comical if you erase what is happening in the brain). So, including the effect, imagined or otherwise, of cut/uncut in description of the foreplay and sexual act as arousal erotica in a story? Sure, why not? Yes, I've done it.

 

[rescatooor]

The 'pro-circumcision' story was written for the 'A Song from My Story, a Story for My Song' event. Although not clearly indicated, the story was set ~20 years back, at a time and in an area where female circumcision was common practice. Many things are odd, when you look from a distance.

Ah. Yeah, I understand old beliefs and misinformation. But a female strongly advocating for female circumcision today? I do not understand.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I was born in England and uncircumcised. When I moved to Australia, I was more the exception, as Australians of my generation tended to be circumcised.

Over the years that's changed (I have no idea on the numbers - Bramblethorn will advise on that - but I believe most men under a certain age in Oz are natural. I do know of men who have had circumcision for medical reasons as an adult, but not, "Just because Dad got cut."

Not my area of expertise, but Hack says Australia went from about 80% male circumcision in the 1950s to 20% today:

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...alians-no-longer-getting-circumcised/10338572

Judaism and Islam both favour circumcision, but those groups combined are only about 3% of the population.

 

[MrPixel]

Call me foolish but what does it matter to women's pleasure whether a dick is uncut or not? ... A view I have not heard a woman express.

Chicken or egg situation. In the case of my secondhand awareness, it's a preference precisely because there was the opportunity for the difference to be noticed. When 90% of the cohort is of a specific type, odds run against sampling the small minority, so there is no basis on which to appreciate the difference.

The aesthetic considerations are there, however. We have one acquaintance where we were able to broach this subject; he is natural. His experience with being uncut in early adulthood was negative because prospective partners would express displeasure, that it was "ugly" or "deformed" in the "what's wrong with you?" sense, the baseline for these women consisting entirely of circumcised partners.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Not my area of expertise, but Hack says Australia went from about 80% male circumcision in the 1950s to 20% today:

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...alians-no-longer-getting-circumcised/10338572

Judaism and Islam both favour circumcision, but those groups combined are only about 3% of the population.

I knew you could look it up faster than I could .

 

[rescatooor]

Chicken or egg situation. In the case of my secondhand awareness, it's a preference precisely because there was the opportunity for the difference to be noticed. When 90% of the cohort is of a specific type, odds run against sampling the small minority, so there is no basis on which to appreciate the difference.

The aesthetic considerations are there, however. We have one acquaintance where we were able to broach this subject; he is natural. His experience with being uncut in early adulthood was negative because prospective partners would express displeasure, that it was "ugly" or "deformed" in the "what's wrong with you?" sense, the baseline for these women consisting entirely of circumcised partners.

Eh, he should just go abroad. You'd be surprised how much pussy American guys can get by just leaving the country.

Just sounds like body modification getting so common we abhor normalcy. It's a sick world and it keeps getting more sick.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

It was never so common in Britain and became less so still by my generation. A news report summed it up as Prince Charles is curcumcised, William and Harry are not, both as expected for their generations.

Two of my stories have a Brit getting together with an American man - they note with mild disappointment the lack of foreskin but that's all.

I've only met a couple curcumcised cocks - for sex I don't think it makes any difference especially since lube was invented, but giving oral sex to a cock without a foreskin to play with is really boring. Natural cocks are more fun to play with with hands, too.

One of my stories has a guy with a tight foreskin - a woman notes it seems 'curiously featureless' until it shocks her by exploding out of the foreskin, and afterwards it needs to be stuffed back inside like a sleeping bag into its bag. The gentleman whose cock that was based on was offered the option of circumcision as a teenager but much preferred the alternative of being sure to wash it carefully each day.

 

[LAHomedog]

My thoughts:

1. I have met women who have definite preferences on cut vs. uncut. Gay men too. Not much different from guys liking women with large breast or the ones who like smaller breasts or any other physical sexual preference.

2. I have used foreplay with an uncut cock in a number of my stories when it makes sense for the characters and the scene.

3. "Female circumcision" is not an accurate term as commonly used. It is actually a massive mutilation where they remove the clitoris so the woman will not have sexual pleasure. If one was actually going to perform a true "female circumcision," it would be removal of the clitoral hood and exposing the clit completely like the removal of the foreskin exposes the head of the penis completely. That is not what happens in those parts of the world.

4. When I was in the summer between my undergraduate degree and starting grad school, I spent the entire summer traveling in Europe. All I had to do was say, "I'm from San Francisco" and it seemed that every woman opened her legs or dropped to her knees.

Sort of the reverse of Colin in "Love Actually" coming to the USA to get laid because of his British accent.

BTW: I'm a straight male, but I'm fascinated by foreskins and wish I could of had the experience of playing with my own a few times. Alas, I'm cut so nope, not going to happen.

 

[yowser]

BTW: I'm a straight male, but I'm fascinated by foreskins and wish I could of had the experience of playing with my own a few times. Alas, I'm cut so nope, not going to happen.

You're not going to do the reattachment/skin-graft thing?

 

[LAHomedog]

You're not going to do the reattachment/skin-graft thing?

Never. It is what it is.

 

[Trionyx]

3. "Female circumcision" is not an accurate term as commonly used. It is actually a massive mutilation where they remove the clitoris so the woman will not have sexual pleasure. If one was actually going to perform a true "female circumcision," it would be removal of the clitoral hood and exposing the clit completely like the removal of the foreskin exposes the head of the penis completely. That is not what happens in those parts of the world.

I’m glad someone pointed out what female ‘circumcision’ truly is: it is the brutal mutilation and cutting out/off the clitoral head and not just the removal of the hood. This god awful practice is done in an attempt to keep women from sexual enjoyment and is usually done when the girl reaches puberty and menstruates. There is no anesthesia and the girl is forcefully restrained by others in the community while someone whacks off her clitoris. Just imagine being held down while someone cuts off the head of your penis or clitoris, whichever you may possess.