Circumcision....discuss?

[Cheyenne]

How is that a good point??

It's a good point because he was right. I'd never seen an uncut dildo before.

And the ones that I see in this thread now aren't appealing to me at all. I wouldn't buy them.

 

[Cheyenne]

The reality is that, if a women were sexually secure with herself she would obviously prefer the normal anatomy. The intact penis is designed for sex. A skinless, scarred keratinized penis is not.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Now THAT is the funniest post I've seen here in awhile.

 

[Cheyenne]

well, duh.
That doesn't mean I have to like it though.

You seem to need mental help to get over it if you are THIS focused on having lost your foreskin. JMHO.

 

[Guest]

You're proving my point.
There is no market for an uncut penis because NOBODY LIKES THEM!

They look ridiculous and have all the sexual allure of an empty sweater sleeve.

Trust me, if the demand was there for a floppy wang dildo, companies would find a way to manufacture them.

I happen to like uncircumsized penises. And I don't think they look ridiculous. However, I think the point of a dildo is to be stimulating, which means it has to be hard and long, and have a decent width. Any other details in appearance are secondary. For example, mine is pyrex, and doesn't look anything like a penis. It just happens to be long and hard. But that doesn't mean I prefer a man with a penis that looks like a piece of pyrex.

I don't think foreskin or lack of foreskin changes the feeling of penetration for women. I can't feel the difference.

 

[TheOlderGuy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Now THAT is the funniest post I've seen here in awhile.

i'm hearing in this that you prefer your guys surgically mutilated.
but why is his case for keeping it natural so amusing?
must be a slow day on the trash and burn circuit?

 

[Cheyenne]

i'm hearing in this that you prefer your guys surgically mutilated.
but why is his case for keeping it natural so amusing?
must be a slow day on the trash and burn circuit?

Did you even READ the post I was referring to as being so hilarious? Look up, and try again. Maybe you'll see the flaw in his logic this time. Then again, maybe you won't.

 

[Guest]

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong to rip off part of a baby boy's sexual organs just because American doctors claim it's more hygienic (a claim which has been disproven)?

 

[Gord]

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong to rip off part of a baby boy's sexual organs just because American doctors claim it's more hygienic (a claim which has been disproven)?

quite a lot of people have simillar view points and have expressed them - maybe not in such graphic language - so no you are not the only one

 

[Guest]

quite a lot of people have simillar view points and have expressed them - maybe not in such graphic language - so no you are not the only one

That's good to know.

 

[TheOlderGuy]

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong to rip off part of a baby boy's sexual organs just because American doctors claim it's more hygienic (a claim which has been disproven)?

it's an absolutely barbaric practice, with no benefits. if we were to routinely do clitoral circumcision for a 'better look' or 'better hygiene', we'd probably be hearing some different tunes here. even twenty years ago we refused to circumcise our son, and waited out the family reactions. he's quite happy and healthy as an adult, and so is his girlfriend.

 

[zipman]

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong to rip off part of a baby boy's sexual organs just because American doctors claim it's more hygienic (a claim which has been disproven)?

There are just as many studies which show that there are indeed just as many benefits to circumcision (as a preventative medical procedure) as there are against it.

That is why the AMA and other medical groups advise parents to educate themselves on circumcision before they make their decision.

 

[TheFrenchGuy]

How long do you think we'll have to wait before geneticians start to breed circumcised boys ?

 

[Gord]

There are just as many studies which show that there are indeed just as many benefits to circumcision (as a preventative medical procedure) as there are against it.

That is why the AMA and other medical groups advise parents to educate themselves on circumcision before they make their decision.

so if we see that really the medical arguments cancel each other out - ie there is no reason either way . You will be fine whatever - then why is it a normal practise in the US

I am not talking from a deeply cultural percpective such as religious ceremony -

I honestly cannot understand why parents who look at all the reasons from a non biased view point would want to go ahead with the procedure

 

[zipman]

so if we see that really the medical arguments cancel each other out - ie there is no reason either way . You will be fine whatever - then why is it a normal practise in the US

I am not talking from a deeply cultural percpective such as religious ceremony -

I honestly cannot understand why parents who look at all the reasons from a non biased view point would want to go ahead with the procedure

Well, first off a lot depends on where you get your information from. For example, while there are sometimes complications from circumcision, these are usually much more infrequent and minor compared to medical problems that can arise (pardon the pun) in uncircumcised males later in life.

As for why it is a normal practice in the US, I believe that's because the AMA recommended it for years.

 

[Guest]

it's an absolutely barbaric practice, with no benefits. if we were to routinely do clitoral circumcision for a 'better look' or 'better hygiene', we'd probably be hearing some different tunes here. even twenty years ago we refused to circumcise our son, and waited out the family reactions. he's quite happy and healthy as an adult, and so is his girlfriend.

I'm glad you mentioned female circumcision. I tend to view male circumcision with the same horror that I view female circumcision. The only difference is that male circumcision (unless it goes horribly awry) still allows men to feel a lot of pleasure during sex, whereas female circumcision reduces or even make it impossible for women to feel pleasure during sex. So I suppose in terms of the aftermath, male circumcision isn't as grave. But I still think it's sad to remove parts of a person without the person being able to say anything about it for himself. I also find it interesting how so many Americans insist it is more hygienic to be circumsized, yet the majority of countries do not believe that to be true and do not consider it as a routine medical procedure (rather, they see it as a religious rite).

I could just as easily argue that humans no longer need their little toe, and that we should chop it off during infancy in order to prevent it from getting blisters, or infected, or broken, etc in the future. I could say that since it doesn't seem to serve any function in terms of balance and we don't need it for grasping that we should just get rid of it. And hey, why bother to use any painkillers because infants can't talk, so obviously they don't experience pain
But somehow I think people would find that sort of reasoning to be barbaric and argue that we ought to keep our little toes. And yet... we use the same reasoning to promote foreskin removal. I swear that the belief in foreskin removal for hygienic purposes is a *cultural belief*.

I'm glad you made the decision not to mutilate your son. And I'm sure, as you said, he's quite happy and healthy--just like the majority of uncircumsized men in the rest of the world.

 

[nitengale]

Am I the only one who thinks it's wrong to rip off part of a baby boy's sexual organs just because American doctors claim it's more hygienic (a claim which has been disproven)?

"rip off" ?? Oh, well now I have never seen that done before.

 

[Guest]

"rip off" ?? Oh, well now I have never seen that done before.

Sorry--bad choice of words. "remove", "snip", etc.

 

[nitengale]

Sorry--bad choice of words. "remove", "snip", etc.

That's better!

 

[Queersetti]

i'm hearing in this that you prefer your guys surgically mutilated.
but why is his case for keeping it natural so amusing?
must be a slow day on the trash and burn circuit?

I don't hear that in what Cheyenne said. I pointed out the stupidity of that statement as well.

Lord Gorgonzola or whatever he calls himself, postulated that women who prefer circumcised men do so because they are unhappy with their own sexuality. That is an absolutely absurd notion, with no backing in fact or logic. I would think that even those who are in agreement with him on the issue would see the nonsense in such a remark.

 

[Gord]

well the % of boys having their foreskins removed is falling - down from about mid 80%'s in the 1970's to about 60% now ( in the US that is )

so it is certainly something that as parents become more informed and when doctors stop doing at as a norm it will slowly dwindle

You know men in African tribes are convinced that female circumcision is not only good but a part of their culture - they believe that because their system perpetuates it - now I dont know any sane normal individual from the West who would agree that female circumcision isnt barbaric and should be outlawed - but when it comes to what we do to males - no for me boys should be given the choice when they are of an age to make a rational decision .

I think that in 100 years Doctors will look in amazement that we in the civilised west still circumsized our boys

 

[zipman]

I'm glad you mentioned female circumcision. I tend to view male circumcision with the same horror that I view female circumcision. The only difference is that male circumcision (unless it goes horribly awry) still allows men to feel a lot of pleasure during sex, whereas female circumcision reduces or even make it impossible for women to feel pleasure during sex. So I suppose in terms of the aftermath, male circumcision isn't as grave. But I still think it's sad to remove parts of a person without the person being able to say anything about it for himself. I also find it interesting how so many Americans insist it is more hygienic to be circumsized, yet the majority of countries do not believe that to be true and do not consider it as a routine medical procedure (rather, they see it as a religious rite).

I could just as easily argue that humans no longer need their little toe, and that we should chop it off during infancy in order to prevent it from getting blisters, or infected, or broken, etc in the future. I could say that since it doesn't seem to serve any function in terms of balance and we don't need it for grasping that we should just get rid of it. And hey, why bother to use any painkillers because infants can't talk, so obviously they don't experience pain
But somehow I think people would find that sort of reasoning to be barbaric and argue that we ought to keep our little toes. And yet... we use the same reasoning to promote foreskin removal. I swear that the belief in foreskin removal for hygienic purposes is a *cultural belief*.

I'm glad you made the decision not to mutilate your son. And I'm sure, as you said, he's quite happy and healthy--just like the majority of uncircumsized men in the rest of the world.

Boy, you've gone from sad to worse in the rhetoric that you've chosen to use and your arguments have gone from poorly researched to absurd.

First off, I think the differences between western male and African female circumcision as they are practiced are so utterly pronounced that your comparison is laughable. One totally removes the entire sensory organ of the female while the other diminshes some sensitivity of the penis. Sorry, but you're horror and outrage seem rather misplaced to me.

As for the big toe, well it is indeed one of the most important toes when it comes to humans successfully balancing themselves effortlessly. Other than that glaring falsehood it was such a ludicrous argument that I won't even bother addressing it.

There are cleanliness and health reasons (like cancer or spread of disease) that are quite valid and can be severely minimized through a simple medical procedure that heals in days and causes no lasting trauma.

Facts first.
Post second.

 

[TheFrenchGuy]

I think that in 100 years Doctors will look in amazement that we in the civilised west still circumsized our boys

Except Jews and Muslims...

 

[Gord]

I don't hear that in what Cheyenne said. I pointed out the stupidity of that statement as well.

Lord Gorgonzola or whatever he calls himself, postulated that women who prefer circumcised men do so because they are unhappy with their own sexuality. That is an absolutely absurd notion, with no backing in fact or logic. I would think that even those who are in agreement with him on the issue would see the nonsense in such a remark.

I am also puzzled about this argument from the women who say they prefer cut men in sex etc

when the penis becomes erect the foreskin pulls back normally anyway -

and I thought sex was all about feelings , love , how you use it , foreplay , the person eyes - you know the whole deal - didnt think it would come down to the foreskin ?

 

[MCunnilinguist]

I've had no problems with it. It's still in 100% working order.

I can remember anything before kindergarten so as far as trauma goes?

 

[Queersetti]

Boy, you've gone from sad to worse in the rhetoric that you've chosen to use and your arguments have gone from poorly researched to absurd.

First off, I think the differences between western male and African female circumcision as they are practiced are so utterly pronounced that your comparison is laughable. One totally removes the entire sensory organ of the female while the other diminshes some sensitivity of the penis. Sorry, but you're horror and outrage seem rather misplaced to me.

As for the big toe, well it is indeed one of the most important toes when it comes to humans successfully balancing themselves effortlessly. Other than that glaring falsehood it was such a ludicrous argument that I won't even bother addressing it.

There are cleanliness and health reasons (like cancer or spread of disease) that are quite valid and can be severely minimized through a simple medical procedure that heals in days and causes no lasting trauma.

Facts first.
Post second.

I think that we owe a big round of applause to our newest bestest buddy and big toe Sergeant Zipman.