Circumcision....discuss?

[Queersetti]

And you're still harping on what they look like. You need to get off the "ugly" aspect, because there are certainly woman who disagree with you. You can't say NOBODY likes them, or even the minority likes them, because as a previous poster said, we live in the USA, where deformed penises is the norm.

The primary function, above all else, is to thrust in an out. and a dildo with moving skin is way more complex than a regular one. I mean, a moving sheath of thin skin, that won't tear or get worn out after repeated usage? come on, that's gotta be a major challenge to create.

Have you considered why they call it the "WORLDwide web"?

 

[TumbledLove]

yeah yeah, and everyone talks about pheromones, but go to a bar and don't wear deodorant. The only thing flocking to you like flies will actually be the flies.

I don't know about you, man.. but I've had girls tell me it was a *turn on* when they saw me all sweaty and smelly.

 

[greenleesmythe]

8 pages!

As long as it's hard, who gives a fuck.

 

[breakwall]

The primary function, above all else, is to thrust in an out. and a dildo with moving skin is way more complex than a regular one. I mean, a moving sheath of thin skin, that won't tear or get worn out after repeated usage? come on, that's gotta be a major challenge to create.

I love it when you talk dirty.

I'm not basing this on opinion, I'm basing it on sheer market demand.
The poster above found pics of uncut dildos.
I doubt they were on page one of the website. Or page five.

As for the manufacturing process, well, we all know that if there's a demand, there will be a supply.
If all of a sudden, over the weekend, uncut cocks became all the rage, you can bet your ass that the "Gentle Gentile Giant" would be on the shelves by Monday morning.

 

[gogonslord]

Haven't done the research on this. Does anyone know how circumcision came to be the norm in the US? It's not common practice in Europe and since we mostly descend from Europeans...

Do the Jews really have that much control?

Circumcision started in Western societes during the Victorian Era in England. It was touted as a method to mainly prevent masterbation. This crossed the Atlantic where it had steadily risen to a point where in the late 70's and 80's almost 90% of boys were being circumcised.

 

[breakwall]

I don't know about you, man.. but I've had girls tell me it was a *turn on* when they saw me all sweaty and smelly.

And you were "the best lover" they ever had, had "The longest cock" they had ever seen and the "Just LOVED" your stories about your college buddies.

 

[TumbledLove]

Re: What do Doctors recommend?

Some of you may know of Dr. Dean Edell, a radio talk show host. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/deanfulltexttopics.cfm?ID=60750&storytype=DeanTopics

Thanks for posting that. I had no idea foreskin could give pleasure to women.

Women reported they were about twice as likely to experience orgasm if their male partner had a foreskin.
Nine out of ten women prefer having sex with intact men.

 

[gogonslord]

The benefits of the circumcision seem to outweigh the benefits of the uncut.

A good handful of women think it is gross, I think that is a major factor in me being happy about my current condition. I wouldnt want a girl to be with me then be grossed out.

Reasons not to:
1
Infection and sometimes death

2
Haemorrhage and sometimes death

3
*Pain / shock, and sometimes death

4
Meth[a]emoglobin[a]emia, brain damage and possibly death, if EMLA cream is used to anaesthetise a newborn

5
Necrotising fasciitis ("galloping gangrene")

6
*Damage (scarring, pitting) to the glans or *shaft. In the case of Dustin Evans Jr, the scarring caused a urethral stricture (narrowing of the urinary tube), and it was during an operation to relieve this that he died.

7
Urethral fissure/fistula

8
Scaphoid megalourethra

9
"Trapped/buried penis"

10
*Occlusion of penile venous system

11
Urinary Tract Infection

12
Meatitis

13
Meatal ulcer

14
Meatal stenosis

15
Multiple pyogenic [caused by pus] granuloma - a series of papillomatous [brushlike] growths around the circumcision wound

16
Eczema of the glans and meatus

17
Oedema of local tissue

18
Loss of *sensitivity / impotence

19
*Reduced volume of penis

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May shorten the penis:


"Circumcised men had shorter erect penises than uncircumcised men (p<0.05)." - Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? a method for self-measurement of the erect penis. Venereology 1995; 8(2): 77-81.
21
Painful erections

22
Wound re-opening (in adulthood)

23
Chafing from underwear

"Other circumcised men complain of life-long irritation of the exposed glans as it comes in contact with clothing during normal activity." - "Sensitivity is the Rising Issue on Circumcision" by Dr. Sandra Pertot, "Australian Doctor" 25 November 1994
24
Production of ugly scar tissue, skin-bridges, skin-tags, malapposition (rejoining on the twist) and/or suture holes

25
*Breach of bodily integrity

26
*Breach of human rights

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*Breach of property rights

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Psychological trauma, resulting in eg. elective muteness

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Because he had had enough of a struggle just to be born, and deserved no more pain

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*Loss of an organ for stimulating the partner and retaining semen in the vagina after ejaculation

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*Greater need to use lubricant for masturbation or intercourse

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Loss of an organ for *play, docking, etc.

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Loss of skin for plastic surgery of hypospadias

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Loss of skin for plastic surgery to eyelids

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Loss of protection against frostbite.

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Because the foreskin evolved over tens of millions of years and every male mammal has one. / Because God knew what S/He was doing when S/He put it there. / Because Nature knows best.

What's lost:

1. The foreskin, which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis.



This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callousing (keratinisation), and contaminants of all kinds. The effect of glans keratinisation on human sexuality has never been studied.

2. The frenar band of soft ridges - the primary erogenous zone of the male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fine-tuning of male sexual response.

3. The foreskin's "gliding action" - the hallmark mechanical feature of the intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding, sealing action, the shaft of the circumcised penis functions as a leaky piston, drawing vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and often making artificial lubricants essential for comfortable intercourse.

4. Thousands of coiled fine-touch mechanoreceptors called Meissner's corpuscles, the most important sensory component of the foreskin, encapsulated Vater-Pacinian cells, Merkel's cells, nociceptors, and branches of the dorsal nerve and perineal nerve. Altogether, between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which can feel slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture, are lost.

5. The frenulum, the highly erogenous web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans; frequently amputated along with the foreskin, which destroys its function and potential for pleasure.

6. Approximately half of the temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia.

7. The immunological defense system of the soft mucosa. This produces both plasma cells that secrete immunoglobulin antibodies and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen-killing enzyme lysozyme.

8. Estrogen receptors - the purpose of which is not yet fully understood and needs further study.

9. The apocrine glands of the inner foreskin, which produce pheromones - nature's powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied.

10. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a first line component of the body's immune system in a whole penis.

11. The pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans. The connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together while the penis develops is ripped apart during circumcision, wounding the glans and the foreskin remnant, leaving them raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration.

12. Some of the penis length and penis circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than a full-sized penis.

13. Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularization interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development. [The superior dorsal artery is invariably swollen in the erect circumcised penis, compared to the intact.]

14. The penis: every year some boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then "sexually reassigned" by castration and "transgender surgery," and expected to live their lives as "females."

15. Life: every year some boys lose their lives from the complications of circumcision - the exact number is unknown, since these deaths are usually attributed to their secondary causes, infection or bleeding.

16. Bonding: the extreme pain of circumcision (or the effects of anaesthesia) disrupt the infant's bonding with his mother, with unknown effects on his future psychological and psychosocial development.

17. Intimacy: the removal of a large area of mucous membrane, the foreskin, and the hardening of another, the glans, reduces the potential for intimacy conferred by these tissues - as it is conferred by highly comparable structures, the lips.

Edit: This was intended for the original post, but it's relevance doesn't go unfounded.

 

[Queersetti]

Listen, boys, I'm sure you all have perfectly lovely dicks, so there's no need to keep arguing.

 

[TumbledLove]

Now, about the WORLDwideweb comment.

For one thing, this is an English speaking board. and the majority of us hail from the United States (or the western society). Am I wrong?

I've never visited a strictly foriegn store/website that sells dildos (Japanese for example). So I can't really say what's the rage over there. Maybe they have different tastes than us.

But what I can comment on is that here in the USA, we're conditioned to like cut penises, and that could explain why we don't really see much in the way of demand for uncut dildos.

 

[breakwall]

^^translation: I don't have an ugly cock.

 

[Guest]

 

[Queersetti]

Now, about the WORLDwideweb comment.

For one thing, this is an English speaking board. and the majority of us hail from the United States (or the western society). Am I wrong?

I've never visited a strictly foriegn store/website that sells dildos (Japanese for example). So I can't really say what's the rage over there. Maybe they have different tastes than us.

But what I can comment on is that here in the USA, we're conditioned to like cut penises, and that could explain why we don't really see much in the way of demand for uncut dildos.

You made the inclusive comment "we live in the USA" to someone who doesn't.

A wee bit parochial, don't you think?

 

[TumbledLove]

^^translation: I don't have an ugly cock.

I've already said it: I think uncut dicks are kinda ugly. But then again, I'm an American, and I have a cut dick that I've seen every day for all my life. So I'm use to the way it looks.

But I'd much rather have an uncut cock. and would trade in a heartbeat.

 

[breakwall]

But I'd much rather have an uncut cock. and would trade in a heartbeat.

Maybe Q can hook you up.

 

[TumbledLove]

You made the inclusive comment "we live in the USA" to someone who doesn't.

A wee bit parochial, don't you think?

forgive me. next time I'll put a footnote.

we*

*the majority on this board, who happen to live in the United States, and have cut penises, and pertains to this discussion.

 

[Queersetti]

Maybe Q can hook you up.

http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/restore/uncirc.txt

 

[breakwall]

forgive me. next time I'll put a footnote.

we*

*the majority on this board, who happen to live in the United States, and have cut penises, and pertains to this discussion.

Being Canadian is a burden.

 

[Queersetti]

forgive me. next time I'll put a footnote.

we*

*the majority on this board, who happen to live in the United States, and have cut penises, and pertains to this discussion.

Wouldn't it just be easier to not be a douchebag in the first place?

 

[TumbledLove]

I've briefly tried some stretching methods, but it takes a lot of time and effort. and IT DOES NOT BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL SKIN.

 

[Angel]

I've briefly tried some stretching methods, but it takes a lot of time and effort. and IT DOES NOT BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL SKIN.

Dude, it's gone. You're just going to have to live with it.

 

[Angel]

I guess that would be without it.

Tee Hee.

 

[Guru]

I've briefly tried some stretching methods, but it takes a lot of time and effort. and IT DOES NOT BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL SKIN.

Duh! The original skin went into the dumpster.

 

[breakwall]

http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/restore/uncirc.txt

...this is nasty.

I'll stretch myself in my own way for my own reasons...

 

[TumbledLove]

Dude, it's gone. You're just going to have to live with it.

well, duh.
That doesn't mean I have to like it though.