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Chris Rock is saying the same thing as Bill Cosby
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Well, Chris Rock's argument, delivered through abrasive, sarcastic [and damn funny!] commentary is that there's a part of the black community that shirks its responsibilities, and, rather than dedicate itself to bettering itself, has decided to embrace its own corruption. He's also arguing that the rest of the black community should and does get pissed the fuck off by it--and judging by the crowd's reaction, he's quite right. And he argues that "the niggers got to go!"Bandit1 said:
It's Cosby's argument, and call for personal responsbility. Delivered by Chris Rock.
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I know plenty of divorced white men (my ex included) who say "I take care of my kids" like they deserve a gold star or something.
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I'll make a reply to this later but this is something that Dave Chappelle talked about when he said he uses descretion when saying the n-word publicly because people can't handle it.
It's so enlightening, how someone would highlight ONE aspect of his standup when he criticizes blacks but not the rest when he puts it in perspective.
PS-Blacks are human beings. We have a responsibility to live up to our potential. We don't, but neither does any other human being. No one lives up to their full potential so there is a lot we can do better to better our own state.
That doesn't detract from the fact that this country is harder for minorities, especially african americans, than it is if you're white.
PS-This is just a criticism of some blacks. Bill Cosby was verbally lynching every poor black person and blaming them and pretty much completely absolving the institutions tha favor whites.
Simply, blacks have a tradition of criticizing each other. But I'm listening to this thinking "Yeah, that reminds me of____" about 5% of blacks.
And the other 95 are screwed from the jump.
It's so enlightening, how someone would highlight ONE aspect of his standup when he criticizes blacks but not the rest when he puts it in perspective.
PS-Blacks are human beings. We have a responsibility to live up to our potential. We don't, but neither does any other human being. No one lives up to their full potential so there is a lot we can do better to better our own state.
That doesn't detract from the fact that this country is harder for minorities, especially african americans, than it is if you're white.
PS-This is just a criticism of some blacks. Bill Cosby was verbally lynching every poor black person and blaming them and pretty much completely absolving the institutions tha favor whites.
Simply, blacks have a tradition of criticizing each other. But I'm listening to this thinking "Yeah, that reminds me of____" about 5% of blacks.
And the other 95 are screwed from the jump.
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Freya said:
True, but that doesn't matter. Telling young black people to work hard for an education when you didn't makes you a hypocrite. Therefore, even if the message is sound, it is diminished for the intended audience.
I agree with some of what Cosby is saying. He just needs to shut up and let someone who actually did what he's touting say it. That will make it a more effective message.
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That clip is five years old.
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So if Chris Rock said it 7 years ago, how did it become Cosby's "argument?"
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Slider69 said:
Can you give us some specific examples of how he promotes racial discord. or did you just make that up?
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DISCLAIMER: This is not an angry black male rant. Feel free to disagree, I really don't want an argument just a discussion.
That Chris Rock quote needs to be understood in broader scope. It is ironic that Medjay highlighted leahlo saying that ALL black people speak in gutteral incoherent mumbles cause that has something do with what Chris Rock was talking about.
Before he criticized some blacks this is what he said in Rock this his book (which is great)
1. Black people are born suspects. He knows this because when he was born a car was stolen from the parking lot of the hospital he was born in and the cops still made him stand in the lineup. Fortunately there were some black nurses that worked in the hospital and they were nice enough to hold him up while witnesses got a look at him. The nurses were in the lineup too.
2. He says when he passes by white people in their homes and he looks through their windows he sees them dial 9-1 and then pause, just waiting for him to do something wrong.
3. The reason for this is he says whites CANNOT DIFFERENTIATE betweeen black people. All black people mean one thing: Trouble. Chris Rock says the average white person walking down the street can't tell the difference between him and a thug like Suge Knight, they would see a black male and just be scared of both. Black people on the other hand can look at Pauly Shore and JFK Jr. and know that one of them is not to be fucked with. That is because black people have had to navigate a white dominated world in order to survive. We were forced to learn white culture in order to live bu the opposite isn't true. To most whites every black person is the same. Colin Powell will not get a cab late night in New York. And Clarence Thomas in a jump suit won't get a cab in DC.
So first Rock talks about differientation. Yeah, some black people do mind boggling stupid things. You find that across the spectrum of race, culture country whatever. As black people, AMONG OURSELVES yeah, we check each other and criticize each other.
But remember, this is in 97 or 98 before Rock became very popular.
If you looked in the auidence, man, a flush of memories is coming back to me now.
I actually remember him addressing this question once and that's why its so messed up ubertroll (not criticizing you but I disagree with the useage here) is using this to say what he's saying.
Chris Rock gave this standup IN DC!!! At that time he didn't have crossover emmy type fanbase, and his core audience was mostly black. The DC crowd was almost all black.
So it was like a black comedian speaking to other blacks, his people. He could say things like "Fee fi fo figga I hate a nigga" cause he's talking to us. We undertand it.
But among ourselves we do this. Rarely do we do it in the presence of other races cause they try to use it against us unfairly.
Case in point: This thread. Chris Rock has said countless things ciriticizing white supremacy, the reason why affirmative action is so necessary, really highlighting the evils of slavery and the completely insane idea that you can just "let it go" and move on like it was a "fad", but of all those routines the one that is mention here is when he criticizes blacks.
C'mon.
It's like what used to happen for years. Whenever a crime would go down the media, and I've seen this happen, would pass up about 45 black people that look like they could give an accurate account of what happen and put the mike up to the face of a dude that looked like he just finished smoking crack.
"Mr. Jenkins what happened?"
"Aww shit! I saw dem guns bust, n nen I hearr' screamin'. So I's like, shieet n***a I gots a charge I can' git caught today! Do I dipped ya heard!?"
That Chris Rock quote needs to be understood in broader scope. It is ironic that Medjay highlighted leahlo saying that ALL black people speak in gutteral incoherent mumbles cause that has something do with what Chris Rock was talking about.
Before he criticized some blacks this is what he said in Rock this his book (which is great)
1. Black people are born suspects. He knows this because when he was born a car was stolen from the parking lot of the hospital he was born in and the cops still made him stand in the lineup. Fortunately there were some black nurses that worked in the hospital and they were nice enough to hold him up while witnesses got a look at him. The nurses were in the lineup too.
2. He says when he passes by white people in their homes and he looks through their windows he sees them dial 9-1 and then pause, just waiting for him to do something wrong.
3. The reason for this is he says whites CANNOT DIFFERENTIATE betweeen black people. All black people mean one thing: Trouble. Chris Rock says the average white person walking down the street can't tell the difference between him and a thug like Suge Knight, they would see a black male and just be scared of both. Black people on the other hand can look at Pauly Shore and JFK Jr. and know that one of them is not to be fucked with. That is because black people have had to navigate a white dominated world in order to survive. We were forced to learn white culture in order to live bu the opposite isn't true. To most whites every black person is the same. Colin Powell will not get a cab late night in New York. And Clarence Thomas in a jump suit won't get a cab in DC.
So first Rock talks about differientation. Yeah, some black people do mind boggling stupid things. You find that across the spectrum of race, culture country whatever. As black people, AMONG OURSELVES yeah, we check each other and criticize each other.
But remember, this is in 97 or 98 before Rock became very popular.
If you looked in the auidence, man, a flush of memories is coming back to me now.
I actually remember him addressing this question once and that's why its so messed up ubertroll (not criticizing you but I disagree with the useage here) is using this to say what he's saying.
Chris Rock gave this standup IN DC!!! At that time he didn't have crossover emmy type fanbase, and his core audience was mostly black. The DC crowd was almost all black.
So it was like a black comedian speaking to other blacks, his people. He could say things like "Fee fi fo figga I hate a nigga" cause he's talking to us. We undertand it.
But among ourselves we do this. Rarely do we do it in the presence of other races cause they try to use it against us unfairly.
Case in point: This thread. Chris Rock has said countless things ciriticizing white supremacy, the reason why affirmative action is so necessary, really highlighting the evils of slavery and the completely insane idea that you can just "let it go" and move on like it was a "fad", but of all those routines the one that is mention here is when he criticizes blacks.
C'mon.
It's like what used to happen for years. Whenever a crime would go down the media, and I've seen this happen, would pass up about 45 black people that look like they could give an accurate account of what happen and put the mike up to the face of a dude that looked like he just finished smoking crack.
"Mr. Jenkins what happened?"
"Aww shit! I saw dem guns bust, n nen I hearr' screamin'. So I's like, shieet n***a I gots a charge I can' git caught today! Do I dipped ya heard!?"
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Shazzbutt said:
So lets say you're right. I don't say you are but lets suppose.
Minorites have a lot of breaks in school and the workplace now right? Since like 1970 give or take.
Whites had breaks and advantages since the 1700s until then.
So in 200 years or so we'll call it even.
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Who remembers when Donovan Mcnabb said what TO did by criticizing him is like black on black crime?
I could tell a lot of people just said "Heh, there's the race card!" not even getting what he was saying.
Eli Manning SUCKS.
JP Losman SUCKS!
Ditto for Kyle Boller, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Chad Pennington.
Yet with the possible exception of Harrington and Pennington (the first cause he's surrounded by so much talent and the later cause he's in a big market city and pissed off the media) the #1 most criticized QB in the NFL is Micheal Vick. Donovan Mcnabb is a close 3rd or 2nd.
Like Dono said, he's been criticized his whole career. he doesn't grasp the offense, poor mechanics, he runs to much he won't be able to run a prostyle.
No joke, there is still a bias against a black athelete that uses his brain and sees a 300 lb guy running at him so he decides to run away from him instead of taking the hit and making the throw.
But when TO criticized him it was wrong cause as blacks we know how it is.
You can say 99 positive things about another african american and it will be ignored or refuted.
Say ONE negative thing and then a group of white will harp on it and go "See! Even one of them agree and say just what we've been saying!"
so that's why Mcnabb was extremely pissed.
I saw Chris Rock give an interview when he mentioned the points that I made at the end of my last post.
1. This standup was in DC.
2. He said it TO BLACK PEOPLE.
This is a criticism we say to ourselves cause we get it. Yeah, a lot of black people steal. A lot of black people do dumb shit.
At the same time we know people are poeple and blacks are any more messed up than anybody else.
But others hear this and some of them do exactly what he criticizes before he opens up to us.
I could tell a lot of people just said "Heh, there's the race card!" not even getting what he was saying.
Eli Manning SUCKS.
JP Losman SUCKS!
Ditto for Kyle Boller, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Chad Pennington.
Yet with the possible exception of Harrington and Pennington (the first cause he's surrounded by so much talent and the later cause he's in a big market city and pissed off the media) the #1 most criticized QB in the NFL is Micheal Vick. Donovan Mcnabb is a close 3rd or 2nd.
Like Dono said, he's been criticized his whole career. he doesn't grasp the offense, poor mechanics, he runs to much he won't be able to run a prostyle.
No joke, there is still a bias against a black athelete that uses his brain and sees a 300 lb guy running at him so he decides to run away from him instead of taking the hit and making the throw.
But when TO criticized him it was wrong cause as blacks we know how it is.
You can say 99 positive things about another african american and it will be ignored or refuted.
Say ONE negative thing and then a group of white will harp on it and go "See! Even one of them agree and say just what we've been saying!"
so that's why Mcnabb was extremely pissed.
I saw Chris Rock give an interview when he mentioned the points that I made at the end of my last post.
1. This standup was in DC.
2. He said it TO BLACK PEOPLE.
This is a criticism we say to ourselves cause we get it. Yeah, a lot of black people steal. A lot of black people do dumb shit.
At the same time we know people are poeple and blacks are any more messed up than anybody else.
But others hear this and some of them do exactly what he criticizes before he opens up to us.
