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China has caved on the tariff's

China may be feeling it now since they are the producer. The consumers will be feeling it in next few to 6 months when the shelves are empty or scarce. Living with less in a consumer oriented economy will cause economic contractions.
 
Rightguide said:
They are done:

China Just 'Folded' in the Trade War​

by Gordon G. Chang
April 27, 2025 at 5:00 am

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/21576/china-trade-war

China’s economy on cusp of a deflationary death spiral​

Deflation isn’t an abstract threat in China—it’s visible, statistical and spreading fast as goods made for export redirected to local markets
https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/?s=80&d=mm&r=pgby Nigel Green

https://asiatimes.com/2025/05/chinas-economy-on-cusp-of-a-deflationary-death-spiral/#

​

How Bad Is China’s Economy? The Data Needed to Answer Is Vanishing​

Beijing has stopped publishing hundreds of statistics, making it harder to know what’s going on in the country​



May 4, 2025 9:00 pm ET

https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-economy-data-missing-096cac9a




All for your edification.

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Sorry, but when you use Gordon Chang as your reference for the coming collapse of China you have lost all credibility. Chang has been predicting the imminent collapse of China since 2001. When it became apparent in late 2011 that his guarantee that China would collapse in 2011 wasn't going to happen, he insisted that he was merely off by a year and that if China didn't collapse in 2012 then nobody should ever listen to him on the topic again. When it didn't happen, most of his took him up on his offer. As usual, you need to find better sources.
 
bijedi said:
Sorry, but when you use Gordon Chang as your reference for the coming collapse of China you have lost all credibility. Chang has been predicting the imminent collapse of China since 2001. When it became apparent in late 2011 that his guarantee that China would collapse in 2011 wasn't going to happen, he insisted that he was merely off by a year and that if China didn't collapse in 2012 then nobody should ever listen to him on the topic again. When it didn't happen, most of his took him up on his offer. As usual, you need to find better sources.
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Sorry, but when you fail to listen to Gordon Chang you identify yourself as an intellectual fool. China is currently exhibiting clear signs of both economic and demographic decline, developments that many analysts had previously anticipated but were often dismissed as premature. However, these projections are now materializing, despite significant opacity in official reporting. The CCP routinely manipulates or restricts access to key economic and demographic data, complicating external assessments and delaying recognition of underlying structural weaknesses. Nonetheless, the trajectory is increasingly difficult to obscure. Communist economic models have always been brittle beneath the surface, and history keeps proving one thing: central planning eventually collapses under its own weight.
 
Rightguide said:
Sorry, but when you fail to listen to Gordon Chang you identify yourself as an intellectual fool. China is currently exhibiting clear signs of both economic and demographic decline, developments that many analysts had previously anticipated but were often dismissed as premature. However, these projections are now materializing, despite significant opacity in official reporting. The CCP routinely manipulates or restricts access to key economic and demographic data, complicating external assessments and delaying recognition of underlying structural weaknesses. Nonetheless, the trajectory is increasingly difficult to obscure. Communist economic models have always been brittle beneath the surface, and history keeps proving one thing: central planning eventually collapses under its own weight.
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There are a lot of knowledgeable and informed China critics that have pointed out all of the points above. Gordon Chang is not one of them. He has continually and consistently overstated the problems facing China, and understated the CCP's ability to deal with them.

I agree with most of the remainder of this post. China has many of the same problems Japan faced in the late 1990's and early 2000's, and to a much greater degree coupled with a much more authoritarian government.

Of course the other thing history has repeatedly proven is that laissez faire capitalism also fails without consistent state intervention. The problem is balancing the two. Most of us in the West believe China has far too much state intervention. Some believe the US also has too much. Some believe the US has not enough. And some believe the US has both too much and too little at the same time.
 
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Day before Pope died vance visited him maybe vance assassinated the Pope with some sort of virus/bacteria that made death during sleep look natural so they could install american Pope...
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And that's done. What Vance should do now is simply stick close to Trump.

Really close.
 
Just wait Trump out and he can 'art of the deal' negotiate with himself and his cronies. The master plan seems to just drag everyone down rather than raise people up.
 
Trump prevails:

Stock Markets Erupt After Massive US-China Trade Deal Announcement​



By Jack Davis May 12, 2025 at 6:35am

News that the United States and China were lowering tariffs after weekend talks sent stock markets soaring around the world.

“This is a huge positive in the right direction for the markets, and more progress has come out of these Swiss talks than even the bulls were hoping for heading into Friday night,” Wedbush analysts said, according to The Wall Street Journal.

As of 8:40 a.m. ET, Dow Jones futures were up more than 1,100 points, according to CNN. The Standard & Poors and Nasdaq exchanges were up 3 percent and 4 percent, respectively.

According to the deal, the United States and China will each lower the current tariff rate on each other’s imports by 115 percent. That sets the tariff on Chinese goods coming into the U.S. at 30 percent and the rate for American goods entering China at 10 percent, according to ABC.

More here: https://www.westernjournal.com/stock-markets-erupt-massive-us-china-trade-deal-announcement/
 
Rightguide said:
Trump prevails:

Stock Markets Erupt After Massive US-China Trade Deal Announcement​



By Jack Davis May 12, 2025 at 6:35am

News that the United States and China were lowering tariffs after weekend talks sent stock markets soaring around the world.

“This is a huge positive in the right direction for the markets, and more progress has come out of these Swiss talks than even the bulls were hoping for heading into Friday night,” Wedbush analysts said, according to The Wall Street Journal.

As of 8:40 a.m. ET, Dow Jones futures were up more than 1,100 points, according to CNN. The Standard & Poors and Nasdaq exchanges were up 3 percent and 4 percent, respectively.

According to the deal, the United States and China will each lower the current tariff rate on each other’s imports by 115 percent. That sets the tariff on Chinese goods coming into the U.S. at 30 percent and the rate for American goods entering China at 10 percent, according to ABC.

More here: https://www.westernjournal.com/stock-markets-erupt-massive-us-china-trade-deal-announcement/
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DonOld CAVED!!!

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👉 Rightard 🤣

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We. Told. Them. So.

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