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now has home grown high tech fighters.

When are we going to cut them off from trade and start defending the free world?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070111/wl_csm/obigboats&printer=1

Fighter jet signals China's military advances

By Peter Ford, Staff writer of The Christian Science MonitorThu Jan 11, 3:00 AM ET

A sleek, swept-wing fighter-bomber dubbed the "Jian-10," unveiled here last week, is more than just another jet plane. It is China's calling card, announcing Beijing's arrival among the top ranks of military manufacturers.

Powered by Chinese engines and firing Chinese precision-guided missiles, the locally built Jian-10 has "allowed China to become the fourth country in the world" to have developed such a capability, "narrowing the gap with advanced nations," boasted Geng Ruguang, deputy general manager of the plane's manufacturer, Avic-I.

The latest fruit of a military modernization drive that has produced an indigenous Chinese nuclear attack submarine, early warning aircraft, frigates and destroyers, cruise missiles, and computerized command and control systems, the Jian-10 is "a decisive step by China toward becoming an aviation power," the official Xinhua news agency declared.

The plane is also a new symbol of China's role-reversal in the global arms industry. "Most technology analysts have been surprised by the speed with which China has gone from being an arms-buying country to one with real promise of being a producer of front-edge military technology," says Denny Roy, senior researcher at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu.

Neighbors wary of China's military advancesTo some of China's neighbors, though, that promise looks more like a threat. And Pentagon officials, too, have repeatedly urged Beijing to explain more clearly the purpose behind a military buildup that has seen defense spending rise by more than 10 percent a year since 1990, according to official Chinese figures.

Offering rare insights into the Chinese leadership's strategic view of the world, the government issued a defense white paper at the end of last year, in a bid to clarify its military policies.

The paper declares that "China's overall security environment remains sound," but notes "challenges that must not be neglected."

Chief among them, it says, is "the struggle to oppose and contain the separatist forces for 'Taiwan independence,' " which "remains a hard one." Beijing claims the island of Taiwan as its own - a position rejected by the government in Taipei.

The white paper, the first of its kind in two years, sets ambitious military goals for the People's Liberation Army (PLA), harping repeatedly on the need for technological modernization. By the middle of this century, China should be "capable of winning informationized wars," it says, referring to the computerized battlefield on which future wars will be fought.

Such capabilities, China insists, are "purely defensive in nature," and the report does not repeat the threat contained in the last white paper to crush any serious move toward Taiwanese independence "resolutely and thoroughly."

It does, however, note disapprovingly of heightened US-Japanese military cooperation, as Tokyo and Washington build a joint missile shield designed to protect Japan from North Korean missiles. Beijing appears to worry that Taiwan may one day be brought under this shield, blunting the mainland's military strength in any cross-Strait conflict.

The white paper came on the heels of a speech by President Hu Jintao calling for a stronger "blue water" navy with the ability to range far from home ports. "We should strive to build a powerful navy that adapts to the needs of our military's historical mission in this new century," Mr. Hu said.

"We should make sound preparations for military struggles and ensure the forces can effectively carry out missions at any time," he added.

What such missions might be was hinted at in the white paper, which mentions "ensur[ing] the interests of national development" as a key element of China's defense policy, and refers to security issues including "energy, resources, finance, information, and international shipping routes."

Buildup needed to protect trade, China saysA Pentagon report last year detected Chinese ambitions to build a fleet capable of protecting the sea lanes that carry the country's vital oil imports through the Straits of Malacca, and of operating even farther afield, in the Indian Ocean.

China's growing political and economic interests, especially its worldwide appetite for imported raw materials, mean that it sees defending those interests in ever broader terms, says Dr. Roy.

"As such a big country, with an ever more global outlook, what China needs to do to defend its national interests will inevitably impinge on the interests of other countries," Roy predicts, and "it will demand a degree of diplomatic skill" to assuage neighbors' suspicions of Chinese intentions, he adds.

Many Western analysts accept Chinese officials' argument that military spending has increased only in line with their country's economic rise. Officially, spending is set at $36.4 billion this year, but it is generally believed to be about twice that.

But while "their focus is defensive, any weapon can be used offensively," points out Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific bureau chief for Jane's Defence Weekly. The White Paper sets out "primarily defensive concepts," he says, "but they are based on a degree of offensive capability and they have the capacity to undertake purely offensive operations if desired.

"The political environment is very stable at present ... but neighbors look at the concentrated buildup of China's military capabilities and it's at that, not the politics, where they have to concentrate their strategic thinking," Mr. Karniol argues. "Because intentions can change."
 
How does China building a jetfighter make China worse than Nazi Germany?

Oh never mind, I forgot, you're insane.
 
Morwen said:
How does China building a jetfighter make China worse than Nazi Germany?

Oh never mind, I forgot, you're insane.
The jet is made from Jews.
 
The first test flight of the J-10 came in 1996 with the help of a Russian made AI-31FN turbofan engine. It would take two years, however, before the J-10 had a successful test flight. By 1999 China had six prototypes:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/j-10-Image12-s.jpg

It's an f-16 equivalent. And how old is the f-16? Ahhhhhh yes. 1975.

But they are catching up. When you spend 20% of your GDP on military expenditures that's to be expected. Soooo, they have a decent, maybe, home grown, short range, defense fighter. (It looks like a Mirage III/5 with larger canards.)

Ishmael
 
Morwen said:
How does China building a jetfighter make China worse than Nazi Germany?

Oh never mind, I forgot, you're insane.
They were worse than Nazi Germany before that you reading comprehension deficient retard.

Let me count the ways.

a) Mao killed 50 million of his own people - possibly as much as 10 times many Jews killed by Hitler.

b) China has nukes. Germany never got that far.

c) China's people have gone to great lengths to weed out baby girls in favor of baby boys. As many as 200 million by some estimates.

d) China harvests its prisoners for involuntary organ donations.


Do you know, like, nothing at all about China? :rolleyes: Moron.
 
Ishmael said:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/j-10-Image12-s.jpg

It's an f-16 equivalent. And how old is the f-16? Ahhhhhh yes. 1975.

But they are catching up. When you spend 20% of your GDP on military expenditures that's to be expected. Soooo, they have a decent, maybe, home grown, short range, defense fighter. (It looks like a Mirage III/5 with larger canards.)

Ishmael
The problem with the Soviet Union was not that their jets were better than ours (at least early on). It was that they had us vastly outnumbered.

China can win by increasing their numerical superiority and decreasing the margin of America's technological superiority. The latter can be achieved by the free trade of industrial IP.
 
LovingTongue said:
They were worse than Nazi Germany before that you reading comprehension deficient retard.

Let me count the ways.

a) Mao killed 50 million of his own people - possibly as much as 10 times many Jews killed by Hitler.

b) China has nukes. Germany never got that far.

c) China's people have gone to great lengths to weed out baby girls in favor of baby boys. As many as 200 million by some estimates.

d) China harvests its prisoners for involuntary organ donations.


Do you know, like, nothing at all about China? :rolleyes: Moron.

Thank you for your rosy accolades sprinkled throughout your text. You are a charmer!

I'm not judging the current government of China by what Mao did, nor am I judging the current governemtn of Germany by what Hitler did.

But I suppose you can wear blinders forever. Do I know what the government of China is? Absolutely. I'm not delusional.

But what do you expect? Picnics in the park and multiculturalist fantasies? We live in the real world.
 
Morwen said:
It would be hotter though if it was made out of you...

*zoom, zoom* boom!
I'd be sure to land on your landing strip.

Excellent. From Holocaust jokes to cyberflirting in 2.1 posts.
 
MechaBlade said:
I'd be sure to land on your landing strip.

Excellent. From Holocaust jokes to cyberflirting in 2.1 posts.
I am mellow now.
 
Morwen said:
Thank you for your rosy accolades sprinkled throughout your text. You are a charmer!
Anything to avoid admitting you're wrong, eh moron?

I'm not judging the current government of China by what Mao did, nor am I judging the current governemtn of Germany by what Hitler did.
How about judging the current Government by their current policies:
a) The ongoing slaughter of millions of baby girls by their all too willing citizens
b) The ongoing harvesting of political prisoners for organ transplants by the Government
c) The ongoing censorship of pro-democracy speech
d) The jailing and/or execution of pro-democracy activists that happens right now
?

You're rambling all over the fucking place here, but the facts overwhelmingly support the contention that China is far, far worse than Nazi Germany.

But I suppose you can wear blinders forever. Do I know what the government of China is? Absolutely. I'm not delusional.
The magnitude of your ignorance is great enough to develop its own gravity field.

But what do you expect? Picnics in the park and multiculturalist fantasies? We live in the real world.
So in the real world we undermine the free world by bolstering the economic and military might of despotic nations like China?
 
LovingTongue said:
The problem with the Soviet Union was not that their jets were better than ours (at least early on). It was that they had us vastly outnumbered.

China can win by increasing their numerical superiority and decreasing the margin of America's technological superiority. The latter can be achieved by the free trade of industrial IP.

<sigh> It's the philosophy that quantity has a quality all it's own. It's been the core philosophy of the Chinese military since the late 40's.

The Chinese will not be able to credibly project military power untill 2030. If we sit on our ass they'll be within 10 years of us by then. Looking at whats coming down the pike, that isn't likely.

And they can't piss away 20% GPD forever. We know it and so do they. The natives are restless. They've paid their dues and now they want to get paid.

Ishmael
 
MechaBlade said:
I'd be sure to land on your landing strip.

Excellent. From Holocaust jokes to cyberflirting in 2.1 posts.
You'll fuck anything with tits and a pulse, won't you?
 
Ishmael said:
<sigh> It's the philosophy that quantity has a quality all it's own. It's been the core philosophy of the Chinese military since the late 40's.

The Chinese will not be able to credibly project military power untill 2030. If we sit on our ass they'll be within 10 years of us by then. Looking at whats coming down the pike, that isn't likely.

And they can't piss away 20% GPD forever. We know it and so do they. The natives are restless. They've paid their dues and now they want to get paid.

Ishmael
They can be gunned down. Remember, Mao put down tens of millions with guns (and even more by neglect/starvation). Their military would think nothing of cutting their population in half in a purge that would make even Mao clap in his grave.

They're cold, Godless monsters over there, ruling over an increasingly cold, Godless population.
 
LovingTongue said:
They can be gunned down. Remember, Mao put down tens of millions with guns (and even more by neglect/starvation). Their military would think nothing of cutting their population in half in a purge that would make even Mao clap in his grave.

They're cold, Godless monsters over there, ruling over an increasingly cold, Godless population.

Yeah, they are. The times are a changin'. 37 million hormone driven males with no female to insure his posterity and no where to go. It's going to get ugly, but nuclear weapons aren't going to get those young men fucked. Not Biblically anyway.

Ishmael
 
LovingTongue said:
You'll fuck anything with tits and a pulse, won't you?
You're jealous he's witty and you're a mouthpiece.
 
Now what kind of shit brained poster would read "fighter planes are why China is worse than Nazi Germany" into what I said? :rolleyes:

See ya later, Morwen. You know you looked like a fool posting that shit, but like everyone else you can't admit when you're wrong.
 
Morwen said:
You're jealous he's witty and you're a mouthpiece.
I feel sorry for him. I thought MechaBlade liked women, but apparently he's willing to settle for you.

You know I'm right and you're giving up at this point. Yes, I am right, and you have no counter argument. You have poor reading skills but hey, let's face it, that's an asset in your book. At your family reunions, men don't chase tits walking around with higher than one digit IQ's. In fact they don't even like 'em walking on less than four legs.
 
LovingTongue said:
Now what kind of shit brained poster would read "fighter planes are why China is worse than Nazi Germany" into what I said? :rolleyes:

See ya later, Morwen. You know you looked like a fool posting that shit, but like everyone else you can't admit when you're wrong.
Ok seeya later, where you going? Ebaums world?
 
Ishmael said:
Yeah, they are. The times are a changin'. 37 million hormone driven males with no female to insure his posterity and no where to go. It's going to get ugly, but nuclear weapons aren't going to get those young men fucked. Not Biblically anyway.

Ishmael
Nope. But they do make excellent cannon fodder. I know one relatively tiny island that they could all be sent off to vacation at. For that matter China has been investing in Africa. Yes, you know what I'm getting at.
 
Ishmael said:
You're a real charmer LT. *snicker*
'
Ishmael
I refuse to be personable to someone who's literally lying under the burning wreckage of their own arguments while refusing to admit they're wrong.
 
LovingTongue said:
Nope. But they do make excellent cannon fodder. I know one relatively tiny island that they could all be sent off to vacation at. For that matter China has been investing in Africa. Yes, you know what I'm getting at.

No, I don't. :) Do you? Are you capable of speaking plainly?

As far as 'cannon fodder' is concerned, you're right. But were LT? Hmmmmm???

They can't transport 1 million to Taiwan. Not today, not into the foreseeable future. They can't project power. It's simple. They're a continental Army and a coastal Navy. One Sea Wolf class can sink all of their heavy sea lift capabililty craft without reloading. And that's today.

I'm not all that concerned about China's military power. And for all the hooplah, China has decided to compete economically. They'll do well for a while, and then the natives will get restless.

Ishmael
 
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