Children, Dogs, & The Curse Of Having Neighbors

BiBunny

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This morning, before 9 am, the child of one of my neighbors was outside in the parking lot, beating, banging, and screaming. I should point out that I live in a small apartment complex (there are 4 units in this building) with such cheap windows that I can hear every time a twig snaps outside.

I'd pulled an all-nighter, trying to get some stuff caught up that's still behind from where my so-called business partner flaked out on me. I was almost asleep when it started. I was slowly drifting off to Bunny dreamland, when--

*Whack, whack* AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!! *Bang, bang, boom*

Then, the dogs joined the chorus, and I resigned myself to not sleeping until the kid got bored and went inside. It took about an hour, but it finally stopped. As I was waiting for the noise to subside, I started browsing around on my phone because I wasn't coherent enough to actually read anything. Whiny and annoyed, I posted the following Facebook status:

Yes, please, by all means, let your kids run around outside in the parking lot, yelling and banging on things. It's absolutely unfathomable that anyone in this complex would want to sleep at 9 on Saturday morning.

When I woke up this morning, one of my former sorority sisters had her panties in a wad about it and went on this huge rant about how she hates when people complain about children and dogs when they choose to live near people, and if they don't like the noise, they should move to the country. And when she has kids, they're going to play outside all they want, and if the neighbors don't like it, they can deal with it or move.

(For clarity, I never said that kids shouldn't play outside. I just feel that if they're going to be loud early on a weekend morning, it won't hurt the parents to take them the whole mile down the road to the park where they have a playground, plenty of space to run around, and no one living right there to bother.)

Now, all comments about her idiocy in assuming that just because people don't like to be annoyed constantly by other people need to move to the country (and her assumption that people have the money just lying around to up and move whenever they please) aside, I realized something in reading her tirade. People with ill-mannered children and pets genuinely believe that other people are supposed to accommodate them. If you don't believe me, go check out any discussion about restaurants having a no-kids policy at such-and-such time on such-and-such day. Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

I am a misanthrope (obviously), but I'd always lived under the mistaken assumption that the whole world isn't set up to accommodate me. My method of interacting with other people is not to foist things on them and then tell them to deal with it. I have, apparently, been doing it all wrong.

I'm curious about what reasonable people think, not so much about my bitching this morning (though this kind of thing happens at least 3-4 times a week here), but about the idea that others are entitled to do anything they damn well please, and it's your problem if you don't like it. Speak your mind, my friends!
 
When J'm tired like that, I am in agreement with W. C. Fields that children are best when boiled. Braised works in a pinch. And don't get me started on the perversity of keeping an animal with vocal chords in captivity.
 
When J'm tired like that, I am in agreement with W. C. Fields that children are best when boiled. Braised works in a pinch. And don't get me started on the perversity of keeping an animal with vocal chords in captivity.

Haha, two thumbs up for you, good sir!
 
Aw Bunny

Can sympathise. I live in an old wood house converted by the simple expediency of a wall down the middle.

My neighbours have two small children who run up and down, making the entire house shake, yelling and banging on the walls until about ten each night.

Seeing as I regularly get up for work just after four, this causes me considerable drama.

I get my own back by not restraining my vocal impulses too much when my favourite songs come on the radio.

Anyway, to answer, the question: Children these days seem to be raised with an overwhelming sense of entitlement and their rights as individuals. Sadly, the concept of respect for the rights of others (except in a minority pc fashion) seems to be distinctly lacking. Me personally blames the government for taking away both parent's and teacher's abilities to discipline a child. In all honesty, until these kids grow up and have to deal with their own kids, I doubt the status quo will shift in any way.
 
9 am is kind of early to be making noise that neighbors can hear. I was raised not to call before a certain time on the weekend, that sort of thing. If it were me and my kid, I wouldn't allow it.

That said, kids do get up early and very little ones can be tougher to control. Toddlers walk loudly (waking up downstairs neighbors), sometimes scream to hear the sound of their voice (you can ignore it and they'll stop, but it does take a couple of weeks -- take note, family member who called my fairly quiet toddler "wild"! :mad:) and have limitless energy. Ideally, the parent should have their kids play inside until later, or give them a different toy, etc., but I don't know what the circumstances are.
 
Well, I live in the country, on 13 acres, and my neighbor's dogs are out and barking at 5:30am any day of the week. Not a big deal for me since I'm up then anyway, but it drives my wife and the other neighbors crazy. City dwellers don't have a lock on being inconsiderate.

Your neighbor should have controlled their kid better, but as a parent, I'd have said 10 was a reasonable tim.
 
Yeah, I'm with you on this Bunny. I don't think it's new, though. I think people through the ages have been inconsiderate of others when it comes to noise.

Barking dogs, screaming children, loud vehicles, roosters...ugh. For the reasons ITW mentioned, I am slightly more tolerant of children playing outside. (Also, I sleep with a human snore factory, so I have a bulk supply of earplugs). I am much less tolerant of noisy children brought to places they don't need to be. Honestly, someone brought a toddler to the One Man Star Wars Trilogy last night and the performer actually had to pause in the middle of the show to wait for the parent to drag the screaming little demon out of the theater. (He made a good Rosemary's Baby joke about it, though, which helped smooth the transition).
 
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My neighbours have two small children who run up and down, making the entire house shake, yelling and banging on the walls until about ten each night.

Seeing as I regularly get up for work just after four, this causes me considerable drama.

I get my own back by not restraining my vocal impulses too much when my favourite songs come on the radio.

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You get up at 4:00 a.m.? :devil: Turn on your radio, and crank that suckah up, especially if your preferred music is death metal or something similar. Even NPR's "All Things Considered" would work if it's turned high enough to listen to while you shower, shampoo, etc.

.... (Also, I sleep with a human snore factory, so I have a bulk supply of earplugs)....
Ummm... has Lance been checked for sleep apnea? After I had my sleep study, got diagnosed and got my CPAP machine, I'm told I don't snore at all anymore... AND I sleep better than I can remember in decades, and generally wake more rested than I used to (except perhaps on those occasions where I sleep too long).
 
Ummm... has Lance been checked for sleep apnea? After I had my sleep study, got diagnosed and got my CPAP machine, I'm told I don't snore at all anymore... AND I sleep better than I can remember in decades, and generally wake more rested than I used to (except perhaps on those occasions where I sleep too long).

Lance does not go to the doctor unless a limb is missing. :rolleyes:

I would love him to do something about this. I spend far too many nights on the couch and I know the very real dangers of sleep apnea. Perhaps I'll hold an intervention?
 
Lance does not go to the doctor unless a limb is missing. :rolleyes:

I would love him to do something about this. I spend far too many nights on the couch and I know the very real dangers of sleep apnea. Perhaps I'll hold an intervention?
From the National Sleep Foundation:

What is the connection between sleep apnea and heart disease?
The connection between sleep apnea and heart disease is evolving very rapidly. People with cardiovascular problems such as high blood pressure, heart failure, and stroke have a high prevalence of sleep apnea. Whether sleep apnea actually causes heart disease is still unclear, but we do know that if you have sleep apnea today, the chance that you will develop hypertension in the future increases significantly.

One of the problems in defining the relationship between sleep apnea and heart disease is that people with sleep apnea often have other co-existing diseases as well.

If you treat people with high blood pressure and sleep apnea, or heart failure and sleep apnea, the measures of blood pressure or heart failure are significantly improved. There is good evidence to think there is a cause-and-effect relationship between hypertension and sleep apnea.​
There's a lot more in this article concerning the apnea/cardiac disease relationship. I can say from personal experience that after being on CPAP for about a year now,
  • my blood pressure has dropped significantly - from normally ~150/100 to 120s/84;
  • my triglycerides have dropped from >300 to <142);
  • "bad" cholesterol dropped from 164 to 94;
  • "good" cholesterol up from 34 to 58;
  • total cholesterol from 198 to 152...
and my meds haven't been changed one damn bit.

One variable changed: CPAP. My doctor tells me that from my most recent blood test results, my major risk factors for having another (6th or 7th) heart attack have dropped dramatically. Is keeping his heart working, and having his wonderful, caring partner IN HIS BED at night instead of on the couch, worth a couple of nights in sleep study to him?

Sorry for ranting. This one relatively simple and completely painless thing has made such a difference in my life, I'm just a little manic on the subject.

ETA: Oops! Sorry, Bunny! Didn't mean to totally derail your thread!

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Sorry for ranting. This one relatively simple and completely painless thing has made such a difference in my life, I'm just a little manic on the subject.

ETA: Oops! Sorry, Bunny! Didn't mean to totally derail your thread!

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No worries, SW, I know all about manic ranting. Ask me how I feel about marine mammals in captivity some time. ;)

I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying (and I am glad you are doing so much better). I think if he had some kind of related health scare, it might be easier. Believe me, I have asked, begged, prodded and nagged. Some people are just *ahem* too manly-man for their own good.

Nevertheless, I shall give it another go. Thanks for caring. :rose:

Sorry BB!
 
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The reason the kids are playing outside is their parents can't stand all the noise in their house, when the kids out they can sleep!!!
 
No worries, SW, I know all about manic ranting. Ask me how I feel about marine mammals in captivity some time. ;)

I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying (and I am glad you are doing so much better). I think if he had some kind of related health scare, it might be easier. Believe me, I have asked, begged, prodded and nagged. Some people are just *ahem* too manly-man for their own good.

Nevertheless, I shall give it another go. Thanks for caring. :rose:

Sorry BB!

[hijack]I will just add another very interesting bit of non-trivial info that I learned from my sleep specialist: the link between depression and poor sleep is usually misunderstood to be depression causes poor sleep. It's often the other way around when the two co-exist. [/hijack]
 
This morning, before 9 am, the child of one of my neighbors was outside in the parking lot, beating, banging, and screaming. I should point out that I live in a small apartment complex (there are 4 units in this building) with such cheap windows that I can hear every time a twig snaps outside.

I'd pulled an all-nighter, trying to get some stuff caught up that's still behind from where my so-called business partner flaked out on me. I was almost asleep when it started. I was slowly drifting off to Bunny dreamland, when--

*Whack, whack* AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!! *Bang, bang, boom*

Then, the dogs joined the chorus, and I resigned myself to not sleeping until the kid got bored and went inside. It took about an hour, but it finally stopped. As I was waiting for the noise to subside, I started browsing around on my phone because I wasn't coherent enough to actually read anything. Whiny and annoyed, I posted the following Facebook status:

Yes, please, by all means, let your kids run around outside in the parking lot, yelling and banging on things. It's absolutely unfathomable that anyone in this complex would want to sleep at 9 on Saturday morning.

When I woke up this morning, one of my former sorority sisters had her panties in a wad about it and went on this huge rant about how she hates when people complain about children and dogs when they choose to live near people, and if they don't like the noise, they should move to the country. And when she has kids, they're going to play outside all they want, and if the neighbors don't like it, they can deal with it or move.

(For clarity, I never said that kids shouldn't play outside. I just feel that if they're going to be loud early on a weekend morning, it won't hurt the parents to take them the whole mile down the road to the park where they have a playground, plenty of space to run around, and no one living right there to bother.)

Now, all comments about her idiocy in assuming that just because people don't like to be annoyed constantly by other people need to move to the country (and her assumption that people have the money just lying around to up and move whenever they please) aside, I realized something in reading her tirade. People with ill-mannered children and pets genuinely believe that other people are supposed to accommodate them. If you don't believe me, go check out any discussion about restaurants having a no-kids policy at such-and-such time on such-and-such day. Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

I am a misanthrope (obviously), but I'd always lived under the mistaken assumption that the whole world isn't set up to accommodate me. My method of interacting with other people is not to foist things on them and then tell them to deal with it. I have, apparently, been doing it all wrong.

I'm curious about what reasonable people think, not so much about my bitching this morning (though this kind of thing happens at least 3-4 times a week here), but about the idea that others are entitled to do anything they damn well please, and it's your problem if you don't like it. Speak your mind, my friends!



I've tried to explain to M - how things SHOULD work is not how things work.

Of course you should not have to assert yourself over 9 am screaming demonseed and mutts on a saturday. Or ever, really. Maybe right as school gets out.

But if you want peace, you will have to. Or put on headphones and your own soundscape of choice. Or take that as an invite not to worry about watching a movie where things blow up at 1 am.

If they didn't want noise keeping the precious ones awake they could move to the country.
 
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