Chicago Teachers

[VaticanAssassin]

Solution?

Fire them all.

Go unions!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[City_Chik_Luver]

Chicago Teachers.

Solution?

Fire them all.

Go unions!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you then suggesting that America abolish public education?

 

[PhilGarlic]

in

in a nut shell why are they going on strike?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Are you then suggesting that America abolish public education?

Yes...yes that is what I am saying.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

in a nut shell why are they going on strike?

Because an average of 76k before benefits, the highest in the country, is not enough?

Because school hours were extended and the 14% pay increase offered was not enough?

Because they are lazy fat asses who want everything handed to them?

 

[KRCummings]

Because an average of 76k before benefits, the highest in the country, is not enough?

Because school hours were extended and the 14% pay increase offered was not enough?

Because they are lazy fat asses who want everything handed to them?

I didn't believe the average pay so I looked it up. It's actually 71K but still way higher than I would have thought. Cost of living in Chicago plays into that though. Be curious to see how it compares nationwide when COL is factored in.
That's all I really have to say on the subject. I have issues with government workers striking but that's not gonna get resolved any time soon so it's pointless to worry about it.

 

[garbage can]

in a nut shell why are they going on strike?

It's the children you know?

It's all about the children.....

 

[PhilGarlic]

Because an average of 76k before benefits, the highest in the country, is not enough?

Because school hours were extended and the 14% pay increase offered was not enough?

Because they are lazy fat asses who want everything handed to them?

sounds as though they have every right to strike.
I guess the extra hours has been imposed on them?

 

[PhilGarlic]

It's the children you know?

It's all about the children.....

can't stand them myself, I think they are overrated and I've got three of my own

 

[VaticanAssassin]

I didn't believe the average pay so I looked it up. It's actually 71K but still way higher than I would have thought. Cost of living in Chicago plays into that though. Be curious to see how it compares nationwide when COL is factored in.
That's all I really have to say on the subject. I have issues with government workers striking but that's not gonna get resolved any time soon so it's pointless to worry about it.

Could be 71K, this article says 76K.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund

News articles are almost as reliable as Lit now....

Chicago's index is 116.9

To put that in perspective;
Cleavland: 100
Orlando: 97
NY-NY: 159

 

[koalabear]

Because an average of 76k before benefits, the highest in the country, is not enough?

Because school hours were extended and the 14% pay increase offered was not enough?

Because they are lazy fat asses who want everything handed to them?

Sounds good, but no bullet-proof vests were offered.

 

[PhilGarlic]

Could be 71K, this article says 76K.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund

News articles are almost as reliable as Lit now....

Chicago's index is 116.9

To put that in perspective;
Cleavland: 100
Orlando: 97
NY-NY: 159

whats the average politicians pay?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

whats the average politicians pay?

The average state senator salary is 38K....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

There are other issues. Chicago is closing 100 schools due to money, and theyre upset about that (the reason for bigger classes), and theyre upset that Chicago wants them to kick in more money for retirement. They pay 3% today.

Here the average teacher pay is 55K.

 

[PhilGarlic]

and

The average state senator salary is 38K....

and what do they make 'on the side'

 

[VaticanAssassin]

and what do they make 'on the side'

or....you could just get to the point. If you have one.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

More...

Chicago schools are 677 million in the hole, and the teachers are upset about their tenure tied to student performance scores. The schools are in the hole cuz so much tax money goes for teacher pensions.

 

[PhilGarlic]

or....you could just get to the point. If you have one.

no point just interested, do politicians make money on the side, simple question, over here most of them make money on the side or their political career sets them up for high paying directorships when they leave.

I find that most people don't want to strike but forced into it by bully boy tactics by employers. Is it right they haven't been on strike for 25 years

 

[VaticanAssassin]

More...

Chicago schools are 677 million in the hole, and the teachers are upset about their tenure tied to student performance scores. The schools are in the hole cuz so much tax money goes for teacher pensions.

Union pension are a problem!!!!!!!

I am shocked!!! Shocked I tell you!!!!!!

 

[PhilGarlic]

More...

Chicago schools are 677 million in the hole, and the teachers are upset about their tenure tied to student performance scores. The schools are in the hole cuz so much tax money goes for teacher pensions.

and this is the teachers fault?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

no point just interested, do politicians make money on the side, simple question, over here most of them make money on the side or their political career sets them up for high paying directorships when they leave.

I find that most people don't want to strike but forced into it by bully boy tactics by employers. Is it right they haven't been on strike for 25 years

On a national level politicians make plenty on the side. Of course that is a small fraction of all politicians. Most politicians just go back to their prior jobs that made them more money in the first place.

There are million unemployed people. I am sure there are plenty that would be happy with 76k a year and are qualified.........

 

[PhilGarlic]

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On a national level politicians make plenty on the side. Of course that is a small fraction of all politicians. Most politicians just go back to their prior jobs that made them more money in the first place.

There are million unemployed people. I am sure there are plenty that would be happy with 76k a year and are qualified.........

if it is such an easy well paid job why don't you do it?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

if it is such an easy well paid job why don't you do it?

So do you think a group of people that only succeed in teaching 15% of fourth graders and have a 56% graduation rate should bitch about $? Or should they thank god their asses do not get fired?




The smartest parents in Chicago right now are those whose kids attend charter schools, private schools, or parochial schools. Those institutions don’t employ Chicago’s unionized public-school teachers, who went out on strike this morning for the first time in 25 years.

The coverage of the strike has obscured some basic facts. The money has continued to pour into Chicago’s failing public schools in recent years. Chicago teachers have the highest average salary of any city at $76,000 a year before benefits. The average family in the city only earns $47,000 a year. Yet the teachers rejected a 16 percent salary increase over four years at a time when most families are not getting any raises or are looking for work.

The city is being bled dry by the exorbitant benefits packages negotiated by previous elected officials. Teachers pay only 3 percent of their health-care costs and out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs.

But beyond the dollars, the fact is that Chicago schools need a fundamental shakeup — which of course the union is resisting. It is calling for changes in the teacher-evaluation system it just negotiated by making student performance less important.

Small wonder. Just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading and only 56 percent of students who enter their freshman year of high school wind up graduating.

The showdown in Chicago will be a test of just how much clout the public-employee unions wield at a time when the budget pressures they’ve created threaten to break the budgets of America’s major cities.

 

[TexasWife25]

Teachers have a right to strike. However I wouldn't be upset if Chicago decided to fire them all and bus in replacements until new full time teachers could be found.

 

[PhilGarlic]

So do you think a group of people that only succeed in teaching 15% of fourth graders and have a 56% graduation rate should bitch about $? Or should they thank god their asses do not get fired?




The smartest parents in Chicago right now are those whose kids attend charter schools, private schools, or parochial schools. Those institutions don’t employ Chicago’s unionized public-school teachers, who went out on strike this morning for the first time in 25 years.

The coverage of the strike has obscured some basic facts. The money has continued to pour into Chicago’s failing public schools in recent years. Chicago teachers have the highest average salary of any city at $76,000 a year before benefits. The average family in the city only earns $47,000 a year. Yet the teachers rejected a 16 percent salary increase over four years at a time when most families are not getting any raises or are looking for work.

The city is being bled dry by the exorbitant benefits packages negotiated by previous elected officials. Teachers pay only 3 percent of their health-care costs and out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs.

But beyond the dollars, the fact is that Chicago schools need a fundamental shakeup — which of course the union is resisting. It is calling for changes in the teacher-evaluation system it just negotiated by making student performance less important.

Small wonder. Just 15 percent of fourth graders are proficient in reading and only 56 percent of students who enter their freshman year of high school wind up graduating.

The showdown in Chicago will be a test of just how much clout the public-employee unions wield at a time when the budget pressures they’ve created threaten to break the budgets of America’s major cities.

It depends on the other problems the teachers face, are the classes all nice and small all well behaved children, lots of parent support, if yes they may need to be sacked but if they face a hostile class, fearful for their own safety at times, under pressure to take on more responsibility onto an already heave schedule while the politicians interfere with teaching methods and take away any hard won pay and conditions then maybe not, oh and the richest brightest kids arn't in those schools so give a false impression of grades!!