Celibacy

[Marquis]

I hear you. I didn't mean to tell you how to live your life, just that I lost a good buddy that exact same way.

And I wasn't trying to dismiss your comments, just explain my own perspective.

 

[Marquis]

I have never actually bitten my tongue to the point of drawing blood before!

Well speak your mind honey, we're all adults here.

 

[dolf]

Well speak your mind honey, we're all adults here.

lol, never been accused of being grown up before
xx

 

[sincerely_helene]

Well speak your mind honey, we're all adults here.

I wouldn't even know where to begin!

P.S. Hope your enjoying the jack, Betticus! (hee hee jack, celibate, get it?)

 

[~hellbaby~]

Next thing you know they're going to put Vodka in a pill form and prescribe it for people with social anxiety disorder.


Sign me up for the vodka pills,that eliminates all those pesky empty bottles. Apology noted and accepted TY.
Just a thought- you ever get to thinkin' mebe dem spliffs be ras wit dem meds? Mebe dat's what makin' meds be nasty?

 

[Marquis]

Next thing you know they're going to put Vodka in a pill form and prescribe it for people with social anxiety disorder.


Sign me up for the vodka pills,that eliminates all those pesky empty bottles. Apology noted and accepted TY.
Just a thought- you ever get to thinkin' mebe dem spliffs be ras wit dem meds? Mebe dat's what makin' meds be nasty?

Well if I gotta choose between the two, Lithium ain't winning that fight.

In all seriousness though, I wasn't smoking when I was taking the Lithium. From what I could tell, it seemed that the Lithium was doing exactly what it was supposed to do.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Well if I gotta choose between the two, Lithium ain't winning that fight.

In all seriousness though, I wasn't smoking when I was taking the Lithium. From what I could tell, it seemed that the Lithium was doing exactly what it was supposed to do.

Well alls I know is my grandmother took lithium for years and years and when she got to feeling good she'd stop her meds and wind up at Phila.Psychiatric Hospital getting electric shock treatments and they fucked her up worse than any meds.:

 

[Guest]

How can you say that? By god may my 12 yr.old never think that, for 3 years we've played with every combination of drugs out there and now it's been over a week w/no meds I'd love to think he will be ok and not need meds again but unfortunatley that will more than likely not be the case so we move on to lithium and pray. It seems to me the hard part is accepting that you will be on meds. for the rest of your life.but so are people with high blood pressure, diabetes etc. It it keeps you stable then why would you want to stop?

*sigh* because there isn't an adequate drug ..or combination... to treat this particular problem...
It's mostly just a shot in the dark.
As for the Lithium...even her Doc.. was willing to admit that it is such a pain that it is a last resort (for them that is, NOTHING seems to be set in stone about this).
It's toxicity level has to be continually monitored.
But--- the other drug regimens worked for about three months each - one month fucked up - one month sorta good and then another month fucked up till they decided it was bad enough for another adjustment.
Which means NOTHING to ANYONE else ..As all the reactions are different.
*shrug*
There yah go - hard won and completely useless experience

 

[Wednesday'sRose]

How can you say that? By god may my 12 yr.old never think that, for 3 years we've played with every combination of drugs out there and now it's been over a week w/no meds I'd love to think he will be ok and not need meds again but unfortunatley that will more than likely not be the case so we move on to lithium and pray. It seems to me the hard part is accepting that you will be on meds. for the rest of your life.but so are people with high blood pressure, diabetes etc. It it keeps you stable then why would you want to stop?

My mother teaches third grade and actually had a child that was a diagnosed bipolar in her class. That means that the little girl was diagnosed by about the age of 8. In her case the hereditary factor was strong too. That is one thing that at least makes it easier to detect early and correctly.

 

[~hellbaby~]

*sigh* because there isn't an adequate drug ..or combination... to treat this particular problem...
It's mostly just a shot in the dark.
As for the Lithium...even her Doc.. was willing to admit that it is such a pain that it is a last resort (for them that is, NOTHING seems to be set in stone about this).
It's toxicity level has to be continually monitored.
But--- the other drug regimens worked for about three months each - one month fucked up - one month sorta good and then another month fucked up till they decided it was bad enough for another adjustment.
Which means NOTHING to ANYONE else ..As all the reactions are different.
*shrug*
There yah go - hard won and completely useless experience

That's exactly what we've been doing for the past 3 years,it seems we get a 4 month run and then something stops working ..and the dance begins once more..We had 8 good months on Dep. once we got the blood level right but we pretty much ran out of things to supplement it with when it stopped so basically we got 1 more try w/lithium,or else play hit or miss.Of course I keep hoping he'll be stable w/out meds. but that's not too realistic.

 

[bluntforcemama]

I've decided to go in a different direction. I've been drained pretty much dry by women and I have to change something before I am just undone. It's going to be celibacy for the forseeable future.

mhmm...

 

[sincerely_helene]

O.K. So, I fell off the celibacy wagon once about 3 weeks or so back, and I'm still kicking myself for it. It turned out that all those years and months I spent working on my personal growth and deeper understanding were flushed down the crapper for totally the wrong person.

Anyway, it was a really odd experiance for me when I woke the next morning. I'm normally able to remain emotionally indifferent afterward, but this time it was sooo very opposite.

It wasn't that I felt attached to him in any way (because I had always had my doubts in that regard,) but I had so many other different feelings hit me at once that I am still dizzy. I think at one point I even went through all the stages of grieving.

Maybe eventually I will be able to gather something positive from the experiance... maybe I will be more careful with my choices next time... or maybe I will just say "fuck it" and revert to my former promiscious ways. For now, though, I'm just gonna pretend it never even happened.

 

[Guest]

O.K. So, I fell off the celibacy wagon once about 3 weeks or so back, and I'm still kicking myself for it. It turned out that all those years and months I spent working on my personal growth and deeper understanding were flushed down the crapper for totally the wrong person.

Anyway, it was a really odd experiance for me when I woke the next morning. I'm normally able to remain emotionally indifferent afterward, but this time it was sooo very opposite.

It wasn't that I felt attached to him in any way (because I had always had my doubts in that regard,) but I had so many other different feelings hit me at once that I am still dizzy. I think at one point I even went through all the stages of grieving.

Maybe eventually I will be able to gather something positive from the experiance... maybe I will be more careful with my choices next time... or maybe I will just say "fuck it" and revert to my former promiscious ways. For now, though, I'm just gonna pretend it never even happened.

I'm sorry - this may not be humorous- But I can't decide whether to express sympathy over the lapse...or the celibacy..

 

[sincerely_helene]

I'm sorry - this may not be humorous- But I can't decide whether to express sympathy over the lapse...or the celibacy..

LOL I rather expected someone would say that, but for some reason envisioned it would be Sir Winston.

Either way, I giggled.

 

[Guest]

LOL I rather expected someone would say that, but for some reason envisioned it would be Sir Winston.

Either way, I giggled.

Hmm Reminds me of a quote from Animal House....

 

[~hellbaby~]

I'm sorry - this may not be humorous- But I can't decide whether to express sympathy over the lapse...or the celibacy..

I think the best thing about celibacy is becoming UNcelibate. Then you can really know if your missing anything or not.I also think,for myself included it is a safe place to go when your just tired sick or scared of trying to find that person that maybe you will be looking at ten years from now
(just my two pennies worth)

 

[Krinaia]

call me lazy but i didn't bother to ready pages 2 and 3.... did anyone say self love was cheating?

because i enjoy that.... though don't have to right at this very uh moment

 

[sincerely_helene]

call me lazy but i didn't bother to ready pages 2 and 3.... did anyone say self love was cheating?

because i enjoy that.... though don't have to right at this very uh moment

Hope not... otherwise I cheated three times today.

 

[~hellbaby~]

*Tries to understand why someone with the option chooses to be celibate.*

Mostly kidding.

Sometimes a good piece off ass just ain't to be found!

On a serious note I looked up the word and I realized I am abstinate not celibate,celibate means you cannot even glance,think or talk about anything sexual. Besides our {western}religious reasons many Eastern philosophies practice celibacy to gain greater knowledge,become more aware and seek enlightenment. The other reason is HIV/AIDS.There is some reading I found if anyone is interested.".http://www.aolsvc.worldbook.aol.com/wb/Article?id=ar102200&st=Celibacy#cite http://www.hinduism.co.za/celibacy.htm#What is Brahamacharya (Celibacy)?
http://www.discoverychannel.ca/sexfiles/swf/sexfiles-celibacy.swf
http://Are you celibate? Jump on the bandwagon! - Part II

Modern Celibacy
Unlike the celibacy of religious orders, these modern abstainers are often in relationships, seeking empowerment through true emotional and not physical bonds. They feel that abstinence can act as an emotional restorative tool, for virgins and those who have been sexually active in the past. One group, Born Again Virgins of America (BAVAM), recruits those who want to reclaim their virginity, but a major part of the chastity movement consists of celibate youths. True Love Waits is the biggest organization to advocate the chastity movement among adolescents. They even go as far as incorporating a ceremonial pledge, whereby young people vow to remain virgins before God until they enter a Biblical marriage relationship.

STDs, especially AIDS, are another reason for this "anti - sexual revolution." AIDS is by far the deadliest STD of the 20th century, and it may be the most devastating epidemic in human history. 20 million people have died from AIDS, 42 million live with HIV globally, and 14,000 become infected with the virus everyday. When scientists recognized that HIV caused AIDS and it could be transmitted sexually, some people turned to celibacy as the best way to avoid the risk of infection. A study of 810 students published in Psychological Reports, claimed that during the years 1988, 1991, and 1992, there was a significant increase in sexual anxiety and that most of this anxiety was attributed to the fear of acquiring AIDS. Another study conducted by Population Reports indicated that more and more unmarried people are changing their sexual behavior to avoid AIDS. Some are avoiding sex entirely, while others have started to practice safe sex. According to this study, 46% of the people in Chad fell into the "Delayed First Sex or Stopped Sex" category. This celibacy message even came from the famous basketball player Ervin "Magic" Johnson. After Johnson publicly announced in 1991 that he was HIV positive, his message on how to avoid AIDS was "the safest sex is no sex

 

[~hellbaby~]

Hope not... otherwise I cheated three times today.

In Indian teaching these are the eight ways you break celibacy


looking at a member of the opposite sex with carnal desire.

Sparsha – desire to touch, embrace or be near a person of the opposite sex.

Keertan – praising his or her qualities to your friends.

Keli – amorous sport with the opposite sex.

Guhya Bhaashan – talking privately to a member of the opposite sex.

Sankalpa – lustful thought of the opposite sex.

Adhyavasaaya – strong desire for carnal knowledge.

Kriya Nivritti – sexual enjoyment.

 

[sincerely_helene]

Spoilsport.

 

[~hellbaby~]

Spoilsport.

MOI?In my way of thinking
There is an easy way around most of these,except the last one.
Homosexuality must be OK because they all say with the 'opposite sex', vibes are ok too becuase they are inanimate objects. Also it says 'looking at a member' not his member

in the dictionary:: Entry: sex·u·al
Pronunciation: 'sek-sh(&-)w&l, 'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin sexualis, from Latin sexus sex
Date: 1651
1 : of, relating to, or associated with sex or the sexes <sexual differentiation> <sexual conflict>
2 : having or involving sex <sexual reproduction>
- sex·u·al·ly /'sek-sh(&-)w&-lE, 'sek-sh(&-)lE/ adverb


Main Entry: sexual intercourse
Function: noun
Date: 1799
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis

So,as I read this and it is only my opinion how I mush it up and make it sound like I want it to, sexual enjoyment is technically between two people nothing in the definition mentions self love so it's all OK if you just rationalize a bit.Now if your partner dressed as an animal or woman you may be able to think that one through too.

of course if you were partnered you would not be celibate most likely either

 

[Betticus]

Okay, according to hellbaby I'm just abstinate even though I haven't even been masturbating.

I'm still human after all and I do look. Going to that porn exposition in Vegas didn't help to keep me distracted, I molested so many women with my eyes I should be in jail!

 

[witcha]

But it's not molesting with eyes that counts



witcha

 

[~hellbaby~]

Okay, according to hellbaby I'm just abstinate even though I haven't even been masturbating.

I'm still human after all and I do look. Going to that porn exposition in Vegas didn't help to keep me distracted, I molested so many women with my eyes I should be in jail!

If they lock you up I'll sneak you some porno mags.
Geez, the first time I don't add IMO,or such ya got me telling you your abstinate
I said I was abstinate not celibate,the definitions and stuff I will quote where they came from.If you follow my mind mush makeover way of rationalizing the ways celibacy is broken then I gave you your celibacy back. Then ya mentioned the visual molestation which almost blew it for you but {in my way of looking at it,finding a way around the definitions,only my opinion}molestation is not sexual enjoyment,it is annoying,forced and sexual but nowhere in the definition is the word enjoyment or similiar mentioned.
It seems to me,IMO,having not read all the info~ that celibacy is more about the thoughts than the acts. It is purification of the mind,then the body will follow
{not serious here}Maybe once you rid your mind of sexual thoughts sex becomes something ugly and unenjoyable,distasteful to a person. Once you think like that you can do it all you want and be celibate because you will not enjoy it. Maybe serial rapists were once celibate,they do not commit their crimes out of sexual lust in most times. So perhaps celibacy is a bad thing.{Just sick humor not in anyway to be taken as anything else}
~.All of this is just my opinion,in no way accurate or proven~
Simply tossing in my two lincolns