Cause for Depression

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Ramesh Ponnuru, NRO

More than five years into the depression that is the dominating fact of our economy, we still have no clear picture of its causes.

The consensus is that the bursting of a housing bubble was to blame. Borrowers started to walk away from mortgages based on inflated home prices, and financial companies had to write down the value of securities based on those mortgages. That’s what led to the financial panic of late 2008 and early 2009, and the seizing-up of credit markets in turn sent unemployment soaring. This is the explanation to which President Obama alluded in a July 24 speech on his economic agenda.

Many analysts on the left and right accept this basic story but disagree about what caused the mortgage bubble. Conservatives tend to emphasize Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Reserve’s low-interest-rate policy. Liberals tend to emphasize predatory lenders who tricked people into borrowing more than they could afford, Wall Streeters who took on too much risk, and regulators who allowed all of it to happen. These are not mutually exclusive explanations, of course, so it is possible to mix and match.

Yet it may be that both sides are mistaken, and mistaken precisely in their point of agreement: that the housing boom and bust is the fundamental explanation for our recent economic troubles. It may be that this crisis was indeed brought to us by government policies, but not the ones that the dominant voices on either side of the political divide have in mind.

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One way monetary policy affects the economy, and arguably the crucial way, is by shaping expectations. When the Fed creates an impression about future spending levels, it affects the spending that people undertake today in anticipation of that future. So when the Fed suggests that it will pursue a tighter policy in the future, it is effectively tightening money in the present. Even when it cuts the federal-funds rate, it may be tightening money if markets had projected a sharper cut.

By mid 2008 the Fed had been effectively tightening for months. In December 2007 the Fed cut the federal-funds rate by less than markets had expected. During the summer Fed officials made inflation-phobic comments that led informed market participants to expect a tighter policy in the future. The minutes of the August 2008 meeting declared that “members generally anticipated that the next policy move would likely be a tightening.” Current policy was “passively” tightening as well: As the economy deteriorated, the distance between the looseness it needed and what the Fed was providing increased.

Even after Lehman Brothers collapsed in September 2008, the Fed refused to cut the federal-funds rate and issued a statement citing the risks of inflation. Market expectations of inflation fell further. The Fed would not cut rates until October 8, weeks after the crisis had started to dominate the news — and even that decision followed a contractionary move, the October 6 decision to pay banks interest on excess reserves, which discouraged bank lending.

Markets had no reason to have any confidence that the Fed would continue to keep total spending throughout the economy rising at a steady rate, as it had more or less done for the previous quarter-century. Indeed, spending started to fall in June 2008, months before Lehman’s collapse, and ended up declining at the fastest rate since “the recession within the Depression” of 1937–38. Tight money — that is, reduced expectations of future spending — made everything worse. It depressed asset prices and raised debt burdens, adding to bank losses and making households more fearful about spending.

Housing did not cause the financial crisis, in other words. The Fed did. The Fed may not have caused the recession, but its excessive tightness caused what could have been a mild recession to become the worst one since the Great Depression. And as in the Depression, most observers did not see that the Fed was being tight at all. The monetary base rose rapidly as the Fed bailed out the banks — but the overall economy wasn’t given the monetary ease it needed. The inflation that so worried the Fed, meanwhile, never materialized. In the nearly five years since Lehman collapsed and the Fed warned about inflation risks, we have had the lowest inflation rates since the mid 1960s. The forward-looking, market-based indicators turned out to be right.

None of this means that housing was unimportant in the crisis. One of the ways tight money hurt the economy was by making mortgage debts a larger burden than people had expected when they contracted them. A level of debt that seems manageable when nominal incomes are rising 5 percent a year, as they had been doing before the crash, becomes a millstone when incomes are falling. But we could have had a housing-market crash that did not lead to falling total-spending levels and a severe recession. We could not, on the other hand, have had falling spending levels without a severe recession.

During these five years many economists and institutions have been ridiculed for having suggested, beforehand, that the economy could easily handle the decline of housing prices. Yet these forecasts weren’t wrong — or, if they were wrong, they erred only in implicitly relying on the Fed not to botch its job. The common wisdom that “financial crises lead to slow recoveries,” as applied to our economy, also understates the role of the Fed. Instead, very tight money led first to a financial crisis and then to a slow recovery.

Seeing the Fed’s true role in the crisis helps to put some proposals for preventing another crisis in perspective. The financial industry may need to be reformed in various ways, and Fannie and Freddie may need to be unwound. Getting monetary policy right, however, should be a higher priority. And conservatives have a particular stake in this issue.

Our dismal economic experience of recent years has been brought to us by the federal government, which has wreaked havoc through mismanaging the money supply. Yet the public seems to have sided, hazily, with the view that free-market excess was responsible for the dismal economy of the past five years. Hence Vice President Joe Biden could get away, during last year’s vice-presidential debate, with the laughable claim that the sharp recession was the result of the Bush administration’s tax cuts, wars, and prescription-drug benefit. Republican politicians have not thought it worth trying to get the public to change its mind — and have themselves been obsessed by the idea that the Fed is too loose and that inflation is just around the corner.

The failure of the federal government’s tight-money policies has thus abetted the further expansion of that government. It is another unhappy parallel to the 1930s. Let’s hope we do not have to wait until 2042 for a new Friedman and Schwartz.
https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/354941/print

As Mises said, an Economist can tell you what will happen, but not when, because when creates anticipatory behavior...
 
Well let us See...

Greedy people and business jacking up prices faster than wages are raising for most of the population.

Housing over priced in lots of places.

Higher paying jobs that produce goods here in the USA going bye bye.

People forced to work two or more lowest pay jobs merely to survive and that not leaving enough money for the house and car payments for houses that cost to much, was too big and in an expensive location.

Then there is government spending...Wars cost crap loads of money. Yes they do produce more jobs other than paying the military wages but how much of it is really here in the USA?


The Stock market doesn't do you much good if you are working Mickey D's and Walmart.

I'm sure there is more...Anyone?
 
Housing and greed of the people involved, sellers and reality personnel mostly.
 
Well let us See...

Greedy people and business jacking up prices faster than wages are raising for most of the population.

Housing over priced in lots of places.

Higher paying jobs that produce goods here in the USA going bye bye.

People forced to work two or more lowest pay jobs merely to survive and that not leaving enough money for the house and car payments for houses that cost to much, was too big and in an expensive location.

Then there is government spending...Wars cost crap loads of money. Yes they do produce more jobs other than paying the military wages but how much of it is really here in the USA?

I'm sure there is more...Anyone?

You can download Frédéric Bastiat's Sophisms of the Protectionists for free.

You would see the fallacious nature of several of your questions.

Nothing can be over-priced in a free market.

The buyer can always walk

Walkaway, walkaway...
 
You can download Frédéric Bastiat's Sophisms of the Protectionists for free.

You would see the fallacious nature of several of your questions.

Nothing can be over-priced in a free market.

The buyer can always walk

Walkaway, walkaway...

Oversimplified economics is a core tenet of glibertarianism.

Nothing can be over-priced in a free market because, uh, FREEDOM!
 
Robots, Demographics, the Fed

Not only was Krugman was late to the problem, he also missed the central cause of the problem, who is to blame, and what to do about it.

As noted above, technology has overtaken demographics. Before that happened, the Fed (central banks in general) could inflate at will, waiting for wages to rise with inflation.

However, the natural state of affairs as a result of productivity increases is falling prices (not rising nominal wages). One look at computer prices (where there is no government or union interference) should suffice to prove the point.

Yet the Fed is hell bent on preventing price deflation. The Fed succeeded but it has been a Pyrrhic victory.

Prices are going up, but wages have not kept up. It is as simple as that.

In the absence of Fed policies, wages would be stable to declining, but prices would fall more, and thus real wages would rise.

Instead, and as a direct result of Fed inflationary policies, profits have gone to those with first access to money, notably banks and the already wealthy.

The solution is to get rid of the Fed and fractional reserve lending, not tax robots or increase inflation as Krugman and others hypothesize.

Unfortunately, we see all sorts of preposterous proposals by various inflation proponents stating that more inflation is the key to success.

For example, Noah Smith, economist author of the "Not Quite Noahpinion" blog, recently proposed 5% inflation stating "Inflation makes you richer ... to the benefit of the young and the poor ... which is why conservatives don't like inflation"!

For details of Noah's Alice in Wonderland economic thesis, please see Ivory Tower Academics, Inflation, and Kindness.

Bottom Line

The Fed and its inflationary policies are directly responsible for the massive rise in income inequality, yet numerous economists promote more inflation and taxation of robots as the solution.

Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/#8ZMBojRvjyfo7DLt.99


This is something that I also have pointed out quite recently...
 
Inflation . . . blah blah blah . . . which is true, as long as you don't shop for food anywhere, or gasoline, which isn't measured in the Misery Index.


Fucking annoying-ass facts always bite you right in the scrotum, don't they?
 
You can download Frédéric Bastiat's Sophisms of the Protectionists for free.

You would see the fallacious nature of several of your questions.

Nothing can be over-priced in a free market.

The buyer can always walk

Walkaway, walkaway...


And then Depression sets in when enough do it.
 
Funny, the US hasn't had a depression since 1945. What sort of hiring practices do they use at National Review?
 
Recall that economics is a social science.

It is.

The only thing that we have is Fed inflation, not real growth.

You put off pain into the future for present votes and the pain begins to build.

When the masses lose confidence, it will happen all at once.
 
It is.

The only thing that we have is Fed inflation, not real growth.

You put off pain into the future for present votes and the pain begins to build.

When the masses lose confidence, it will happen all at once.


Last time that happened, the masses elected Ronnie.
 
I know wat's wrong!

Inflation . . . blah blah blah . . . which is true, as long as you don't shop for food anywhere, or gasoline, which isn't measured in the Misery Index.


Fucking annoying-ass facts always bite you right in the scrotum, don't they?

Yeah, about that "food inflation" business, Wat?


  • The food-at-home (grocery store food items) CPI is up 1 percent for the period July 2012 to July 2013
  • The food-away-from-home (restaurant purchases) CPI is up 2.1 percent for the period July 2012 to July 2013

Food riots are just around the corner, just like hyperinflation, right? Right?

Link to USDA official August 2013 food price outlook report

Spin that, bitch.
 
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