Catching errors

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I would like to think I turn out a reasonable quality of work.

Yet, it never seems to matter how many times I read over and edit a piece of work, once it's published I always seem to find errors.

Anyone got a silver bullet solution to this?
 
I would like to think I turn out a reasonable quality of work.

Yet, it never seems to matter how many times I read over and edit a piece of work, once it's published I always seem to find errors.

Anyone got a silver bullet solution to this?

Not necessarily a silver bullet, but read it aloud. Or, if you have Word 2019 or newer, it has a ‘Read Aloud’ feature that allows you to select a reasonably decent male or female voice. If you have screen reader software, or can enable the screen reading accessibility feature, that’s another way (although many have less attractive voices.)

What I find is after some number of passes, I hit a level of diminished returns. But hearing it instead of reading it often pops out those well-hidden errors.
 
Not necessarily a silver bullet, but read it aloud. Or, if you have Word 2019 or newer, it has a ‘Read Aloud’ feature that allows you to select a reasonably decent male or female voice. If you have screen reader software, or can enable the screen reading accessibility feature, that’s another way (although many have less attractive voices.)

What I find is after some number of passes, I hit a level of diminished returns. But hearing it instead of reading it often pops out those well-hidden errors.

A good tip, but most of the errors I usually find in mine (once I've edited it to the point of publishing) are related to commas and semi-colons - not sure if that come across clearly when reading. I'll give it a go though!
 
Heh, I like this.

Could make some of the sex scenes a little uncomfortable though.
Ha! It's a good tip though - can also help ensure that items of clothing are removed once each. Why yes, I have a story where a kind beta reader observed that a guy removed his shirt twice within a couple minutes. Only somehow in editing to remove that, he managed it again...
 
Ha! It's a good tip though - can also help ensure that items of clothing are removed once each. Why yes, I have a story where a kind beta reader observed that a guy removed his shirt twice within a couple minutes. Only somehow in editing to remove that, he managed it again...
Where I live it's definitely cold enough for layers.
 
Not necessarily a silver bullet, but read it aloud. Or, if you have Word 2019 or newer, it has a ‘Read Aloud’ feature that allows you to select a reasonably decent male or female voice. If you have screen reader software, or can enable the screen reading accessibility feature, that’s another way (although many have less attractive voices.)
Windows and Apple both have screen reading accessibility features if your word processor doesn't have it.

iPhones have it as well, and I'd be shocked if Android doesn't.
 
Windows and Apple both have screen reading accessibility features if your word processor doesn't have it.

iPhones have it as well, and I'd be shocked if Android doesn't.

Brought back a memory from decades ago when I'd check into Usenet for erotic stories. I ran one through an early text to speech system. It was hysterical to hear a robotic voice describing some steamy sex scene.
 
I would like to think I turn out a reasonable quality of work.

Yet, it never seems to matter how many times I read over and edit a piece of work, once it's published I always seem to find errors.

Anyone got a silver bullet solution to this?
There will always be errors--even after someone else has edited it; even if it was published through a first-rate mainstream publisher. The solution is to do the best scrub you can and not to worry about minor errors. There's a point of diminishing returns in messing with it a lot.
 
You may try to find a proofreader for you, from my experience you memorize your text (by reading many times over), and you become "blind" to your own errors. Another, fresh set of eyes may help.
 
Mind wipe then years and years of professional editing training?

No bullet that I know of. You have your base level of editorial ability and have to apply the "familiarity penalty." (you lived in the text so much you see what you wanted to say, not what is always there.)

Hence the second set of eyes being valuable.

Time away from the text can help if you need to do the editing yourself.

Do the best you can at the time, learn from your mistakes, move forward.
 
Mind wipe then years and years of professional editing training?
Nope. The mind wipe, yes. (Let it sit for at least a day before reviewing it), but I'm a professional editor with more than 160 mainstream publisher books edited and still, every time I reread something I've written, I find another error or two.
 
Time away from the text can help if you need to do the editing yourself.
That's very true! We won't always be able to catch 100% of errors, but I noticed it myself - time helps. When I read my older stories, I see so many errors, I blush. Especially being non-English-native, as I slowly advance in learning English I see even more and blush even more, hahaha ;)
 
I found the best way to discover an editing error is to publish. No matter how many times I’ve read through a final draft I’ll discover mistakes after publishing just by flicking to a random page and skimming. I like to torture myself this way. But I console myself by the fact that I’ve come across mistakes in books from big-name authors and publishing houses, so these things are almost inevitable and rarely perfect.
 
I found the best way to discover an editing error is to publish. No matter how many times I’ve read through a final draft I’ll discover mistakes after publishing just by flicking to a random page and skimming. I like to torture myself this way.
I burst out laughing reading it :D
It's soooooooo true! It works exactly like that :) I wish Literotica had a quick editing procedure...
 
Ha! It's a good tip though - can also help ensure that items of clothing are removed once each. Why yes, I have a story where a kind beta reader observed that a guy removed his shirt twice within a couple minutes. Only somehow in editing to remove that, he managed it again...
That sounds like one of those continuity errors that show up in movies. It's extremely difficult to edit all of those diverse pieces of footage that may have been filmed on different days or out of chronological order. Fortunately, film audiences usually don't catch the more subtle ones.

One of the worst movie mistakes I've ever seen is in The Valachi Papers, where a scene in the 1930's shows the World Trade Center across the river. One has to wonder what the camera operator and cinematographer were doing at that point. If they caught it in the daily rushes, maybe they had lost the opportunity to reshoot it. It shows a car going into the East River, and maybe that's the only 1930's vehicle they had for that. If they had CGI back then, maybe that could have fixed it that way.


Yet, in the first scene, they went to the trouble of filming it at the same Bronx apartment building where the shooting incident had really occurred.
 
There's no foolproof way. I like some of the ideas in this thread and may try them, like changing the font or going backwards. But I'm sure there will still be errors.

A saving grace is that this site is fairly forgiving on that score. Perfection is not required, to say the least. So give it your best shot and don't worry about it too much. You learn by doing.
 
Nope. The mind wipe, yes. (Let it sit for at least a day before reviewing it), but I'm a professional editor with more than 160 mainstream publisher books edited and still, every time I reread something I've written, I find another error or two.
Professional publishing used to be more strict thirty years ago, but many think that standards have since slipped. It also depends of the content. When I worked at a place that did medical and scientific books, they were quite careful. Books for lawyers, where many of them went into looseleaf binders, were often rushed and had terrible quality. If the mistakes were bad enough, the publisher might issue yet a another, smaller "supplement" to be filed too. That's if the authors, all partners at big law firms, insisted upon it.
 
Professional publishing used to be more strict thirty years ago, but many think that standards have since slipped. It also depends of the content. When I worked at a place that did medical and scientific books, they were quite careful. Books for lawyers, where many of them went into looseleaf binders, were often rushed and had terrible quality. If the mistakes were bad enough, the publisher might issue yet a another, smaller "supplement" to be filed too. That's if the authors, all partners at big law firms, insisted upon it.
They slipped just in the years (from 1997 to 2017) that I worked with/in mainstream publishing houses. The standard number of manuscript reviews lost two rounds in that time. Something will be picked up with each round of review/edit, so when two are dispensed with, more errors will surely be left present. (Automation got better in those years, though, cutting down on mistakes made or introduced with repeated reviews.) A cost-effect determination was made of how many small errors could remain, with the understanding that there's no "prefect" copy possible.

As for Literotica, this ain't the New Yorker. If someone is anal attentive enough to have the vapors over a few errors, screw 'em. And screw those anal retentive enough to have to file edit after edit for minor errors published here. They are denying site editor attention to those of us who either do a better job in providing original copy or who aren't as anal retentive in how "prefect" the copy has to be.
 
They slipped just in the years (from 1997 to 2017) that I worked with/in mainstream publishing houses. The standard number of manuscript reviews lost two rounds in that time. Something will be picked up with each round of review/edit, so when two are dispensed with, more errors will surely be left present. (Automation got better in those years, though, cutting down on mistakes made or introduced with repeated reviews.) A cost-effect determination was made of how many small errors could remain, with the understanding that there's no "prefect" copy possible.

As for Literotica, this ain't the New Yorker. If someone is anal attentive enough to have the vapors over a few errors, screw 'em. And screw those anal retentive enough to have to file edit after edit for minor errors published here. They are denying site editor attention to those of us who either do a better job in providing original copy or who aren't as anal retentive in how "prefect" the copy has to be.
True about the unnecessary corrections, but with this many writers (and one-bombing readers), you're inevitably going to get a cross-section of human dysfunctional behaviors. I suppose the site could limit the number of corrections per submission (a minimum of three typos each time?) but how would they enforce it? How would they even know what's been changed? They could demand that writers tell them in the notes to moderator comments, but many people would simply lie about it. That couldn't be confirmed either.

A somewhat strained but perhaps apt analogy is that, since the pandemic, on some New York bus routes, half the people don't pay the fare. They simply walk on. And, really, what can be done about that? Probably nothing.
 
I'm not proposing that the Web site change anything. Suggesting that writers use some restraint. The stories aren't babies. The writers need to get the perspective that stories are like new cars. The moment they're wheeled off the car lot, they depreciate greatly in value. After a day or so, the story has pretty much shot most of its load. The time to get it toned up is before submitting it, not a couple of weeks after it's posted.
 
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