"Caste" System

[jeninflorida]

Okay, by no means am I an expert on the “Caste” system but it does peek an interest. Maybe its due to the flood of erotica book features a Dom/Sub type theme (that started with 50 shades of …)

Now, I've received a couple dozen emails from men in India that are infatuated with the “Cuckold” lifestyle.

In my Caste type story, we have a working couple and have to be submissive to a “higher” couple. This not only applies to the work place (as in work) but also in a sexual manner. Why not spin this out to include men, not just in a submissive role but why not have them for the pleasure of a higher ranking woman with a strong sexual appetite?

So, in this post I'm looking for info on Caste and any ideas to expand this thought into a story

 

[Lost_Yonder]

It is an intriguing twist to D/s that isn't just based on sexual orientation, but social relations - caste. Obviously some similar, but quite different social practices/constructions revolve around race.

In rural India there continues to be extreme exploitation based on caste hiearchies, though in urban areas then tend to erode away - at least in the work place. However, you will still find many matrimonials list caste as an important match-making ingredient.

With India's global economy - which is a very small niche - new opportunities are arising, with much potential for contradictions and conflict. Imagine an upper caste brahmin boy from a rural area was able to get a decent education, learned english and now has a job in a call center will people from all over India, including his immediate manager, a woman from a lower caste. When he was in high school - they were they girls they could openly harrass and no one every said anything. But what happens when he tries to molest her?

But Jenn, as you say, there are lots of potential for couples and cuckolding as well. It does seem to be a strange Indian phenomenon of so many married men liking the idea of having their wives fuck other guys... Of course a very, very good phenomenon for those of us who happen to like having sex with married women!

What happens when an upper caste couple put out an ad for a single guy to come over and have sex with the wife - only they forget to mention caste. When the guy shows up at their apartment, she is quite upset realizing the guy her husband selected is from a lower caste - the same caste as the cleaning woman that comes every morning. There is no way she is going to sleep with him! But now she is pissed at her husband for not even considering her tastes/issues. What does she do to the two guys???

Some initial fleetings thoughts...

 

[MatthewVett]

I've always liked the idea of just that total social control over someone. It's definitely kinky. One scenario I've mulled over a bit is a society where one group is people is barred from wearing clothing at all, or is forced to wear especially skimpy/suggestive clothing, either at all times, or on demand by another member of a certain class.

So for instance, perhaps an upper class individual is able to tour his estates one day and whenever he sees a girl he likes, demand she drop to her knees and pleasure him, and there's absolutely nothing her partner can do about it.

 

[jeninflorida]

I've always liked the idea of just that total social control over someone. It's definitely kinky. One scenario I've mulled over a bit is a society where one group is people is barred from wearing clothing at all, or is forced to wear especially skimpy/suggestive clothing, either at all times, or on demand by another member of a certain class.

So for instance, perhaps an upper class individual is able to tour his estates one day and whenever he sees a girl he likes, demand she drop to her knees and pleasure him, and there's absolutely nothing her partner can do about it.

interesting, to spin can the "nudity" work in a work setting?

 

[MatthewVett]

interesting, to spin can the "nudity" work in a work setting?

Hm, you'd have to come up with a reason. Perhaps some sort of company-state like a modern day East India Company or a Weyland-Yutani sort of thing. Or you could have different classes working in the same setting, perhaps a government center, where the rulers are naturally going to be in contact with lower classes.

Perhaps one day a magistrate gets rebuffed by his beloved and takes out his aggression on the lower class women in the capital, ordering them all nude.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

It has always been my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) that the bottom caste are called "untouchables" because the upper castes literally will not willingly ever touch one, or allow them in their houses.

So the situations described seem unlikely, not that that matters so much on Literotica.

 

[jeninflorida]

the story could be spun into something like "Dark Angel" or "Revolution" where in America a new system comes up from the ashes of our current way of life?

 

[Lost_Yonder]

It has always been my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) that the bottom caste are called "untouchables" because the upper castes literally will not willingly ever touch one, or allow them in their houses.

So the situations described seem unlikely, not that that matters so much on Literotica.

This is true, and still practiced in some rural areas of India. However, there are many caste groups, hierarchically structured. Thus, when one talks about "lower castes" they usually aren't refering to the lowest, untouchable castes - but rather those that are broadly called "shudras" - which are traditionally peasants, clerks, small shop keepers.

In India intermixed with the caste system are also "tribals" and "Muslims" - who are all part of but separate from the caste system.

During the colonial period, tribal groups were intentionally reseattled into different areas to become laborers - particularly on the jute and tea plantations in eastern India. Because of their disconnect from the local population they were always looked upon with great suspicion, and being "tribal" meant being outside the caste system, thus while not untouchables, were seen as lowlifes.

The women were often, and continue to be, victims of extensive rape - by the colonial masters, by elites in local communities, and by their own men.

There continues to be, in some parts of India, extreme exploitation of lower caste women who are often forced into sex by upper caste men. There are many trying to fight against such practices.

What happens when several urban, liberal do-gooders set up a non-governmental organization to help lower caste women and offer them legal counseling, etc. The activists come from the same upper caste group as the perpetrators of the crimes, but with different social ideologies. They are appalled at what they discover - the labor and sexual exploitation.

One of the young men though also becomes quite confused when he sees he young woman being forced to give a bj to one of the local elites. That kind of control and domination. He's a virgin, itching for some relief. Can he too just demand it from the pretty girl???

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Jen here's a thread started by an Indian woman with some of her ideas and the history of Indian cuckold. It may be of interest you you and helpful in providing some help for your story.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=826183&highlight=Indian+cuckold

Mike

 

[iris86]

you might want to check out the series by Anne Rice on Sleeping Beauty - Beauty Claimed i think is the first one 0 some interesting relationships and power dynamics throughout the series

 

[jeninflorida]

Jen here's a thread started by an Indian woman with some of her ideas and the history of Indian cuckold. It may be of interest you you and helpful in providing some help for your story.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=826183&highlight=Indian+cuckold

Mike

cool!

I see a couple moving in with a "Wealthy" couple, and the lower couple has to be submissive. I'm having trouble with the submissive husband and why the submissive wife is with him...

 

[Sylphfire]

First off, I really like the idea of d/s and sexual relations within a caste system. Very intriguing, and arousing.

Do you intend to make this more in line with existing cultures that have Caste systems? If not, a lot of room opens up for social/sexual exploration.

What is the relationship between castes? What is the relationship within castes?

It would be assumed that the highest caste is relatively few in numbers; that's the way these things usually turn out. In those cases, their noble blood is usually a big deal. They're going to want to keep their family line pure. This, of course, leads to inbreeding. What, in our society, is the taboo, becomes the necessity to them, if they want to keep their bloodline "pure". Instead, the taboo is the mixing with the lower castes. This shift in taboos is both intriguing and erotic.

I'd love to see what direction this goes.

 

[Carnevil9]

It has always been my understanding (please correct me if I am wrong) that the bottom caste are called "untouchables" because the upper castes literally will not willingly ever touch one, or allow them in their houses.
So the situations described seem unlikely, not that that matters so much on Literotica.

You've put your finger on the very point! The untouchable nature of certain relationships is exactly what makes it so interesting. And so taboo.

 

[Shendude]

I've always liked the idea of just that total social control over someone. It's definitely kinky. One scenario I've mulled over a bit is a society where one group is people is barred from wearing clothing at all, or is forced to wear especially skimpy/suggestive clothing, either at all times, or on demand by another member of a certain class.

I think there's a Piers Anthony series (Adept, I think?) which featured a world where the lower caste was forbidden to wear clothing.

the story could be spun into something like "Dark Angel" or "Revolution" where in America a new system comes up from the ashes of our current way of life?

I recall a really, really hot story around Lit called "A Free Man's Passion", set in a post-apocalyptic world, about a farmer who's family is murdered and then he is sold to a noblewoman and her daughter as a sex-toy. It wasn't QUITE the same idea, though.

EDIT: Found it.
Chapter 1: http://www.literotica.com/s/a-free-mans-passion
Chapter 2: http://www.literotica.com/s/a-free-mans-passion-ch-02
Chapter 3: http://www.literotica.com/s/a-free-mans-passion-ch-03

 

[jeninflorida]

First off, I really like the idea of d/s and sexual relations within a caste system. Very intriguing, and arousing.

Do you intend to make this more in line with existing cultures that have Caste systems? If not, a lot of room opens up for social/sexual exploration.

What is the relationship between castes? What is the relationship within castes?

It would be assumed that the highest caste is relatively few in numbers; that's the way these things usually turn out. In those cases, their noble blood is usually a big deal. They're going to want to keep their family line pure. This, of course, leads to inbreeding. What, in our society, is the taboo, becomes the necessity to them, if they want to keep their bloodline "pure". Instead, the taboo is the mixing with the lower castes. This shift in taboos is both intriguing and erotic.

I'd love to see what direction this goes.

Sadly, I do not have a mental "movie" of this story yet, so no outline...which means no writing.

I'm not sure which way I want to go with this. I've received a lot of emails from couples (but guessing its mostly men) from India wanting a cuckold theme and where both the wife and husband submit to the "master" couple.

I'm torn, between something along India, maybe somewhere in the US like out west on a cattle ranch or maybe USVI, or a world where the US collapsed from debt .... so many ideas but none have taken root yet

 

[MatthewVett]

I personally think it'd be better to go with a more sci-fi settings, since you wouldn't have to worry about inadvertently offending anyone or accuracy. You could make it all up yourself.